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Paer
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden121 Posts
November 30 2010 19:42 GMT
#21
Especially in custom games, where you really can't find out how the game works before you played it. Just a few hours ago I tried a new custom game and it wasn't long before the usual "gtfo noob" or "plz leave idiot"
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 19:45:58
November 30 2010 19:45 GMT
#22
The best thing about SC2 is in-game, it's all down to you (1v1). When I tried to get into HoN and QL after quitting WoW, all I would get is 'teal leave' or 'leave tdm, quit browser'. I really liked those games but never even got a through a noob-labeled game without some sort of abuse. In the end, even though I wanted to get good at those games, it's hard to spend your precious free time being abused.
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
November 30 2010 19:49 GMT
#23
The problem is often that newer players complain about things, acting as if their voice is equal to that of seasoned veterans and professionals, when they really lack understanding of what it is that they are complaining about. This causes the veterans to resent them, because their voices are just shouting nonsense, and some people are buying it.

It makes veterans nervous as well-- There will always be a larger number of unskilled players than skilled players, and skilled players worry the voices of unskilled players will cause changes to the game that are unwarranted. That leads to a disliking, or, sometimes, "hatred" of newer players.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
November 30 2010 19:54 GMT
#24
On forums, "Noob bashers" and "noobs" are equally annoying. For the most part, I don't know any noob basher in any gaming community that was actually upper tier, tournament-placing, etc. Instead of spending time getting better they just trash on other people and theorycraft / theory fight on the internet all day.

Noobs are the ones that seemingly don't want to learn anything themselves and want everything spoonfed to them (or worse, even though you're a superior player, they won't listen). They jump into situations that they have no business being in. It's very frustrating to have one on your team, because the team's success usually requires individual skill across the board.

Because of that, everyone's extra sensitive now and there's a lot of pre-emptive bashing. I remember one of my friends having questions about Ken in SF4 and posting them on SRK, he got trashed. Now he's probably one of (if not the) the best Kens in the US. People want to talk about how un-nooby they are, which is unnecessary and invites even more bashing.

In sports you hardly see beginners play with average players because the embarrassment is just too much, that's what happens when you get into real life. It's not without its scrubs (oh, the stories I can tell while playing basketball) but generally it doesn't happen. You get dunked on, you're probably be laughed off. In a game, you get wiped out 0-20... whatever, join a new server, play another game, turn off the computer, nothing's changed. Since there's a ton of people playing that sport, you feel that if you bash someone else, there's someone else out there that is more skilled than you and would probably just embarrass yourself.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
November 30 2010 19:54 GMT
#25
There's noobs and there's noobs. Some are inquisitive and others are obnoxious. Just like there are pros who are pedagogical and pros who are idra.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
November 30 2010 19:55 GMT
#26
It is not because the noobs think they know so much, but since the "pros" think they are so smart. There are a lot of them here at TL.net. They think they are so much better than eveyone else that they look down and talk trash about others.

TL.net and almost any other community followes the Jante Law. They all think they are special and TL.net is not that diffrent, as the general concept here is that they are so much more special and better than everyone else, which is not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Don't think you're anything special.
Don't think you're as much as us.
Don't think you're wiser than us.
Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.
Don't think you know more than us.
Don't think you are more than us.
Don't think you are good at anything.
Don't laugh at us.
Don't think anyone cares about you.
Don't think you can teach us anything.
I pwn noobs
ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
November 30 2010 19:57 GMT
#27
People don't like noobs because they got no respect. If you got respect you ain't a noob. You are just new to the game, (or perpetually terrible like I am).
Stream plz
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
November 30 2010 19:57 GMT
#28
On December 01 2010 04:55 Neivler wrote:
It is not because the noobs think they know so much, but since the "pros" think they are so smart. There are a lot of them here at TL.net. They think they are so much better than eveyone else that they look down and talk trash about others.

TL.net and almost any other community followes the Jante Law. They all think they are special and TL.net is not that diffrent, as the general concept here is that they are so much more special and better than everyone else, which is not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Don't think you're anything special.
Don't think you're as much as us.
Don't think you're wiser than us.
Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.
Don't think you know more than us.
Don't think you are more than us.
Don't think you are good at anything.
Don't laugh at us.
Don't think anyone cares about you.
Don't think you can teach us anything.


I would listen to this guy. He pwns noobs.
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Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
November 30 2010 19:58 GMT
#29
On December 01 2010 04:14 Tien wrote:
No one hates noobs.


People hate noobs that think they know everything.


SC2 brought an army of them here.

Basically what this guy said, but honestly we shouldn't get riled up over people like this lol.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 19:59:51
November 30 2010 19:58 GMT
#30
There's a difference between a noob and someone who may have a disorder. I don't mean to be offensive when I say that, I just can't think of any other way to put it.

Mechanically, WoW is one of the easiest games on the planet. Do your spell rotation, watch a life bar, move here, move there. The challenge is weeding out all the people who lack basic motor skills and/or the ability to comprehend simple directions.

Example, Thaddius in Naxx was an infamous pug boss because kids couldn't tell the difference between a positive sign (+) and a negative sign (-). That's all the fight was. You see a sign, and you move accordingly. Rinse and repeat. Now some here may think I'm exaggerating. "hold the phone holdthephone! you're telling me people don't know the difference between a positive and a negative sign? that's a bit far fetched!"

You have no idea the extent of the stupidity that plagues WoW. I could drop a logical human being into that boss fight and he'd be able to get it right on his first try -- having never played the game before. I've honestly thought of writing a book on this shit. It's completely eye-opening.

Strangely enough, some the worst players out there are the ones who play 60 hours a week. You can run a top guild in less than 15.

Penke
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden346 Posts
November 30 2010 20:00 GMT
#31
First of all, I don't know the community super deeply. In fact, one might consider me a noob, but from what I've seen on this forum and in the starcraft community as a whole, people are way more nice and polite compared to what I've seen in many other games. This is actually one aspect of the game itself that I really like, and this thread would in my opinion probably be better suited in some other game's forum site. It feels like the community is overall more mature and intelligent, which is reflected in its friendlyness.

Now, I don't suggest that this community or other games' communities can't or shouldn't improve on this point, because there definitely exists a lot of bad manners, even in this community.
I feel, however, that this problem will, unfortunately, always exist as the internet works as it does. The anonymity that it gives has the effect of making people behave in a different way than they would in real life since, and I think this is a very natural thing to do. Everyone has of course seen the type of insulting comments that is all over youtube, blogs or and other internet locations, and I think this type of behaviour is not at all related to gaming in any case, but rather just a way to get rid of personal aggressions in a way that is completely anonymous and when doing this, you don't feel the same way as you would when talking to another human beings face, but rather to a random username who you will never ever meet, and who will never ever affect your life in any way.

I think it's good that you brought up this issue. The only thing we can do about it however is to just ignore peoople who behave in an immature way and to behave in a friendly way ourselves so we can spread warmth throughout the internet and everybody will be a bit happier.

:D
theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
November 30 2010 20:01 GMT
#32
This forum is full of starcraft veterans, there are people that have been playing the game for 12 years now. They get easily offended when someone with no experience comes thinking they know it all. I played broodwar for 2 years before it was replaced by sc2, I only got to D+ in iccup. Even I get offended when someone who's experience is sc2 since launch comes telling me how to play.

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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
November 30 2010 20:01 GMT
#33
They are the reason I stopped playing Dota/Hon/LoL
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willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
November 30 2010 20:02 GMT
#34
uh, because they are noobs, and games exist so that we can pwn noobs and let them know about it?
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 20:04:35
November 30 2010 20:04 GMT
#35
lack of humility and basic respect on both sides. basically, the natural state of human beings. why does anyone hate anyone else? i don't understand this thread.
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
November 30 2010 20:05 GMT
#36
I tought by now people would have stopped confusing newbie and noob -_-

BTW i think it has a lot to do with the fact that esport are pretty 1v1 focused whereas regular sport are mostly team based so you cant really say you PWNED someone when in fact it was the whole team. And even if you beat someone in 1v1 like in a basket, you can still be a WAY worse player than the one you just beat simply because theres A LOT more involved in a real match.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 20:07:04
November 30 2010 20:05 GMT
#37
I've ran into a few players in customs with ZERO games played, and I was their first online game. After the game, I always stop and tell them the basics about macro, worker production, expansions, supply, etc.. It's amazing how some simple principles can drastically improve somebodies gameplay. The only thing that bothers me about noobs is when they start complaining about balance, or blaming their losses on unit X from race Y.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
November 30 2010 20:05 GMT
#38
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PizzaHash
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands76 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 20:06:07
November 30 2010 20:05 GMT
#39
On December 01 2010 04:14 Tien wrote:
No one hates noobs.


People hate noobs that think they know everything.


SC2 brought an army of them here.


This person speaks truth. I have played SC:BW since the start, but I am still a noob since I had too many distractions to become "pro". I joined TL forums for a year? now, and I see alot like me. And to many of my kind act all knowing, but actually spewing creep
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
November 30 2010 20:07 GMT
#40
great topic i was thinking about the same for a while : )

1. noob = newbie. A lot of ppl even dont know what it is and use it every situation like you didnt something wrong you are nub

2. in WoW its normal that ppl get mad when they get nubz into the pug. specially in this times when its so hard to know who is good and who is bad player cause everyone can easily get epic gear and than in raid its just waste of time.

3. in FPS. like CS or CoD. Didnt they said to you nub when you owned em ? its funny cause this happened to me so often. we are playing CW we are winning but we are noobs. for some ppl noob = fucker.

4. In DotA games. = everyone is noob. Do they even type GLHF, GG or something ? its land of ultra killerz without past. made for owning nubzlordz. there are BMs in every game. its sad... really.

5. Yes everyone was once new in some point. We should let noobs play with noobs and pros play with pros. and if you dont like BM in games as i do just dont play team games : /
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