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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
i was thinking about getting the Sehnheisers HD555, anyone else have these? opinions? what are some cheap (80-90 $) good headphones in aus? the HD555s are like $80 in america so i have to get one of my friends to buy it and ship it over :3 (they're like 250 or something here) | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On April 25 2011 05:30 ThinJ wrote: I paired DT990~600ohm ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Thin_J/DT990.jpg) with a Little Dot MKIII ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Thin_J/mkiii-01.jpg) And have been happy as can be ever since. I also have Senn 280 Pro's, HD595's, a pair of Beyer DT770 Pro-80's, and a few various pairs of IEM's and earbud phones from Sennheiser and Etymotic. How does the amp pair with the 595? Also I read the little dot is not recommended to run 24/7....this would be a problem for me. Do you run yours all the time? | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:47 Fir3fly wrote: hey, wow, this thread is in good timing. i was thinking about getting the Sehnheisers HD555, anyone else have these? opinions? what are some cheap (80-90 $) good headphones in aus? the HD555s are like $80 in america so i have to get one of my friends to buy it and ship it over :3 (they're like 250 or something here) Pretty much everyone has these. They're good and what most people decide to get when they first consider spending more than $100 on headphones. Don't expect any sound revolution though... pretty much all expensive headphones do is make it so you can turn them up louder without distortion. You can go searching on the internet or wading through forums for hours if you want, but there's really not much to learn about headphones, even if they are an expensive purchase. There's some difference between headphones, but it's not really a matter of quality so much as it is just random acoustical differences (which some people will claim are better for certain genres). Most people say the Senns are all-around or lean them toward classical/jazz/electronica. I think the difference between headphones can basically be simulated with good equalizers, so there's no point in getting too worked up about it. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
In real world listening, there are enough differences in headphones for people to notice things in recordings that they do not notice on a cheaper set. And that's not just from higher volume. We're definitely not talking about the differences between sufficiently high-end DACs, or like between LAME VBR -V0 mp3 vs. lossless on most tracks, but something much greater. On April 27 2011 06:36 grudgeStar wrote: Hello good sirs. My headphones recently broke, so now I'm looking to buy a new pair... can someone "experienced" recommend a good pair for 50 bucks or less? Headphone prices seem to vary a lot around the world. You can look up the JVC HA-RX 700 or 900. Those are full-size cans that may be in the price range. A supraaural set for around that much may be the Beyerdynamic DT 235. Koss PortaPro is even cheaper and is a popular option. | ||
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Persay
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On April 27 2011 13:06 Persay wrote: Anyone have any positive or negative reviews on the Logitech G930? http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Gaming-Headset-Surround/dp/B003VANOFY/ref=pd_cp_vg_2 I'm looking for a 100-150$ gaming headset with mic, seeing alot of mixed reviews on Amazon for just about any headset in this range. Check the headset thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126262 If you ask here, people are going to respond with recommending to buy an actual headphone and a mike Of course, I agree with them  Some popular headphones for gaming are Sennheiser HD555/595, Audio Technicia AD700, and JVC HA-RX700/900 And a clip-on mike or a desk mike will suffice  | ||
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Loser777
1931 Posts
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Cerotix
Canada121 Posts
On April 27 2011 13:12 Loser777 wrote: I was recently on a flight where the only audio equipment I packed were my earbuds... needless to say, within the first millisecond of the engines switching on, I realized I had dun goofed. I don't recall actually using full size cans on planes before, so does anyone care to offer an opinion on passive isolation vs. active noise cancelling (I'm considering getting some headphones with active noise cancellation before my next flight) Passive for sure!! Assuming you do some research and find a pair that fits your ears well (most IEMs unless you have odd shaped ear canals), just putting the IEMs in will be enough to block out the sound of the engines. I find whenever I listen to active noise cancelling headphones I hear a high pitched whine from the noise cancelling. My housemate swears by his bose noise cancelling headphones but I cant stand them, I have a pair of westone 3s that I just picked up and they are amazing! Etymotic IEMs have some of the best isolation on the market, so you may want to take a look at some of their stuff. | ||
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ToDieFoR
United States52 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.dirtcheapcameras.com.au/images/fatal1ty.png) I've been using this Headphones for almost 3 years, I freakin love them. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.soundonsound.com/images/forum/www_sennheiser_com_sennheiser_products_nsf_resources_9E96D547A897FF61C125778F003A9936_$File_HD_598_new_intro.jpg.png) I am currently looking for an amp as well, was thinking of the Nuforce Icon uDAC-2. Anyone using this amp? I have never used a USB headphone amp and I'm starting to worry that I wont be able to get my music and SC2 sound effects to come into the phones at the same time. I would really appreciate posts from anyone who has used this amp or a similar USB amp. | ||
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Jepulis
Finland140 Posts
On April 27 2011 22:51 ToDieFoR wrote: I've been using this Headphones for almost 3 years, I freakin love them. Bought one. Sound went off on right side after 4 months of use. Got another by warranty. Same issue 2 months later. Got bored of that and bought steelseries siberia. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
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couches
618 Posts
On April 27 2011 13:12 Loser777 wrote: I was recently on a flight where the only audio equipment I packed were my earbuds... needless to say, within the first millisecond of the engines switching on, I realized I had dun goofed. I don't recall actually using full size cans on planes before, so does anyone care to offer an opinion on passive isolation vs. active noise cancelling (I'm considering getting some headphones with active noise cancellation before my next flight) Interested in this as well considering I'll be doing lots of flying this summer and looking for something appropriate. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On April 27 2011 07:31 Myrmidon wrote: Frequency response magnitude is the biggest difference between different headphones usually, but there's a lot more that is different in the sound other than FR and how loud it goes before distorting a lot. With EQ you can tinker with the FR magnitude of the playback system, but that's not really going to completely change the harmonic distortion characteristics, phase response, transient response, possible interaction between the source and load, etc. You can't really EQ two headphones to sound the same, just a lot more similar in FR. In real world listening, there are enough differences in headphones for people to notice things in recordings that they do not notice on a cheaper set. And that's not just from higher volume. We're definitely not talking about the differences between sufficiently high-end DACs, or like between LAME VBR -V0 mp3 vs. lossless on most tracks, but something much greater. They say the best way to win an argument is to use enough technical jargon that the other person loses track of what you're talking about (even if you also don't know what you're talking about). I like to think that the only people who actually know what they're talking about and how to apply information they've learned are people who can explain the technical bits, if not reduce it entirely to layman's terms. I know what most of those terms mean, having been around audio long enough, but I don't know what exactly it is that you think frequency response is doing (or phase response, or transient response etc). Unless you can actually tell me how that affects the sound you hear (without using adjectives more commonly reserved for restaurant reviews) I can't really say anything about this except that it's unhelpful because I don't understand it. edit: In tech specs you often see the data for the frequency response... Example: Senn 650 are 10-39500 Hz. But human hearing is 20 to 20,000 Hz. Doesn't that sound redundant? The Senn 555 are 15-28000 Hz, which is still redundant. It seems logical to me to assume that this means the FR of both headphones is not going to affect the listener's experience, unless the listener is an animal with greater hearing than humans | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 28 2011 06:38 Chef wrote: They say the best way to win an argument is to use enough technical jargon that the other person loses track of what you're talking about (even if you also don't know what you're talking about). I like to think that the only people who actually know what they're talking about and how to apply information they've learned are people who can explain the technical bits, if not reduce it entirely to layman's terms. I know what most of those terms mean, having been around audio long enough, but I don't know what exactly it is that you think frequency response is doing (or phase response, or transient response etc). Unless you can actually tell me how that affects the sound you hear (without using adjectives more commonly reserved for restaurant reviews) I can't really say anything about this except that it's unhelpful because I don't understand it. That's fair enough. You claim that the difference between headphones can basically be simulated with equalizers, which is tweaking the signal that gets sent to the headphones by increasing or decreasing the amplitude at whichever frequencies you want. The frequency response of headphones shows how loud it is at different frequencies when given the same amplitude input at each of those frequencies. So it's a function of frequency. Manufacturer claims of 15-28000 Hz are meaningless because they're describing the x axis but not what's on the y axis (relative volume output at each of those frequencies). I guess they're claiming there is some output power at those frequencies, but how much? Any what human cares if it's at 25000 Hz? ![[image loading]](http://www.sineva.net/downloads/Asus_C90S/images/Headphones_Frequency_Response_Sony_7509HD_Sennheiser_HD800_Grado_GS1000_Sony_7505.png) My argument is that there is more difference between different headphones than simply the sonic balance between low, mid, and high frequencies--that's the frequency response (magnitude). If headphones A is lacking bass, you can tweak the equalizer to make the input signal have more bass to compensate for that deficiency (hopefully; it may not work in practice for a number of reasons). But if headphones A has a lot of distortion (and what kind of distortion?), it's not like you could remove that by changing the input signal through EQ. So you couldn't make it sound like headphones B that may have a different kind of distortion characteristic. If one headphones has poor tracking (for example, let's say it continues to make sound for a relatively long time after the input signal stops), you can't improve that through EQ either. You might describe the sound as muddy or slow or ringing, though I'm not a fan of the language used in most listening impressions either. Since EQ only addresses the balance between frequencies and not many of the other things I mentioned that may be different between two headphones, you can't make two headphones sound the same through EQ. Like I said, the frequency response is definitely the biggest audible difference between different headphones. It's just not the only one. Well, you could actually process the signal into the headphones to change the phase response over frequency as well, but most audio EQs just try to change the magnitude while keeping the phase mostly unchanged. Granted, some of these differences may or may not be audible. There's some debate about the audibility of phase distortion, for example. See here: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ashon/audio/phase/phaseaud2.htm | ||
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ThinJ
United States58 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:55 Ack1027 wrote:How does the amp pair with the 595? Also I read the little dot is not recommended to run 24/7....this would be a problem for me. Do you run yours all the time? Yeah, generally if I'm not actively sitting at my rig the amp gets turned off. Tubes have a relatively limited lifespan. If you use it a lot it's not like a solid state amp where it might go years and years and be fine. You're going to lose a tube or two sooner or later. I ordered spares back when I ordered the amp. I haven't needed them yet, but I'd rather not have to wait on the order when one does finally die. As far as the Little Dot with the 595's, even with the gain at it's lowest setting and lowered volume on your source it's still overkill. It goes from 0 to way too loud by about 5-10ish on the volume knob. If you're using the 595's there's really no reason to worry about an amp. Pay more attention to your source. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 28 2011 06:38 Chef wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 07:31 Myrmidon wrote: Frequency response magnitude is the biggest difference between different headphones usually, but there's a lot more that is different in the sound other than FR and how loud it goes before distorting a lot. With EQ you can tinker with the FR magnitude of the playback system, but that's not really going to completely change the harmonic distortion characteristics, phase response, transient response, possible interaction between the source and load, etc. You can't really EQ two headphones to sound the same, just a lot more similar in FR. In real world listening, there are enough differences in headphones for people to notice things in recordings that they do not notice on a cheaper set. And that's not just from higher volume. We're definitely not talking about the differences between sufficiently high-end DACs, or like between LAME VBR -V0 mp3 vs. lossless on most tracks, but something much greater. They say the best way to win an argument is to use enough technical jargon that the other person loses track of what you're talking about (even if you also don't know what you're talking about). I like to think that the only people who actually know what they're talking about and how to apply information they've learned are people who can explain the technical bits, if not reduce it entirely to layman's terms. I know what most of those terms mean, having been around audio long enough, but I don't know what exactly it is that you think frequency response is doing (or phase response, or transient response etc). Unless you can actually tell me how that affects the sound you hear (without using adjectives more commonly reserved for restaurant reviews) I can't really say anything about this except that it's unhelpful because I don't understand it. edit: In tech specs you often see the data for the frequency response... Example: Senn 650 are 10-39500 Hz. But human hearing is 20 to 20,000 Hz. Doesn't that sound redundant? The Senn 555 are 15-28000 Hz, which is still redundant. It seems logical to me to assume that this means the FR of both headphones is not going to affect the listener's experience, unless the listener is an animal with greater hearing than humans To put it in a (hopefully) completely non-technical way, headphones differ not merely in their frequency response (which in itself is more than just a simple graphical representation of numbers that can be adjusted with EQs), but also soundstage and imaging, the texture and presentation of each frequency region, the timbre of the sounds, and basically all sorts of sonic differences that simply cannot be made up for by EQ. Two pairs of "bassy" headphones with supposedly similar frequency responses can have remarkably different textures in the bass, with minute differences in attack and decay speed etc that just makes the bass alone sound completely different. I guess it's difficult to have a discussion about sound without bringing in some terms but I believe the bottom line is that while equalizing can adjust certain parts of the sound signature of a pair of headphones to better suit one's preferences, it is fairly wrong to assert that "any difference" between headphones can be made up for with adequate equalizing. It is a valid point you bring up with the frequency response numbers however. Practical listening generally goes from ~20 to 20k at max (most adults do not hear above 16k or 17k), so all the huge numbers do not actually hold much meaning. I guess ignorant consumers who simply want some numbers to compare might be fooled by low quality equipment with optimistic "10-30kHz" responses. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 27 2011 22:56 CaptainCrush wrote: I just bought these bad boys yesterday - Sennheiser HD 598 with the lovely burlwood inseerts I am currently looking for an amp as well, was thinking of the Nuforce Icon uDAC-2. Anyone using this amp? I have never used a USB headphone amp and I'm starting to worry that I wont be able to get my music and SC2 sound effects to come into the phones at the same time. I would really appreciate posts from anyone who has used this amp or a similar USB amp. Well, as suggested in the name of the product, it's a DAC + amp combo, like all USB input devices. About the uDAC-2 in particular, this is an interesting read: http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/nuforce-udac-2-drama.html There are very few reviews on any audio hardware that include relevant and properly-run objective measurements to complement the listening impressions, but this review has it. | ||
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HiredGoonThug
United States72 Posts
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