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+ Show Spoiler +On August 24 2010 15:55 TanGeng wrote:
Fuck her.
So her solution for not having health care is pulling this BS and trying to get a free ride? And for what? For the shoulder to hurt no less than before? The hospitals and doctors are screwy too and don't have a sense of responsibility to treat these people.
On top of that, why can't she just sue her employer? Unless, of course, it's known risk basically screaming at workers, "This job isn't worth it" or "Find another job!" Seriously quit smoking, too. You kind of feel sorry for her fucked up situation, but she's unrepentant pretentious bitch.
I love all these self-destructive attention seeking whores.
That's what I was gonna say 
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On August 25 2010 01:10 FabledIntegral wrote:
No one is putting a gun to her head and forcing her to take it. It's her decision.
Whether or not you think she might be homeless otherwise is irrelevant. There is unemployment insurance for the very reason of giving people MONTHS to find a job (literally, they are getting insurance to not take a job but instead LOOK for a job that suits them) to supplement their income and keep them going. That is one of the forms of welfare that I approve of, because not only does unemployment insurance allow people to better find jobs to suit their specialty, but studies suggest it actually improves the economy as a whole (taxes usually equate to deadweight loss).
There's no such thing as "not having a decision."
Nobody's putting a gun to her head? Pretty damn close. Her world won't be any more pleasant homeless than it is working at the assembly line, and judging by how her health is described here, her life might be well in danger if she doesn't make enough money to afford treatment.
I graduated with a bachelor's degree in '08, and I know friends who came out of school spending eight hours a day looking for work. (I'm lucky to be employed in a field with a ton of demand.) They send out hundreds of resumes to anyone even vaguely associated with their fields, and on top of that, they apply to every retail, food service, and everything-else job opening that they can find. No dice. No dice for weeks, and months, and years. They are not stupid or lazy people; the U-6 unemployment rate is 15%! I don't know why you expect that alternatives are magically going to materialize for unemployed people, when every job opening has hundreds of applicants. (Also, unemployment insurance generally doesn't apply if you quit voluntarily, or if you're fired with cause.)
It's nice that your experience has been that hard-working people always have a decision. It is not representative of the whole world, or the whole country.
I bet she partied in her early years, never built up a resume, and ended up in this situation.
OK, if that makes you feel better about not giving a shit.
Anyway, point still stands; someone has to do this work. I don't see why we should shit on whoever ends up doing it, and if you don't have sympathy for a 41-year-old sick woman who's worked on an assembly line handling toxic waste for 23 years, you don't have sympathy, period.
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On August 25 2010 01:54 catamorphist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 01:10 FabledIntegral wrote:
No one is putting a gun to her head and forcing her to take it. It's her decision.
Whether or not you think she might be homeless otherwise is irrelevant. There is unemployment insurance for the very reason of giving people MONTHS to find a job (literally, they are getting insurance to not take a job but instead LOOK for a job that suits them) to supplement their income and keep them going. That is one of the forms of welfare that I approve of, because not only does unemployment insurance allow people to better find jobs to suit their specialty, but studies suggest it actually improves the economy as a whole (taxes usually equate to deadweight loss).
There's no such thing as "not having a decision." Nobody's putting a gun to her head? Pretty damn close. Her world won't be any more pleasant homeless than it is working at the assembly line, and judging by how her health is described here, her life might be well in danger if she doesn't make enough money to afford treatment. I graduated with a bachelor's degree in '08, and I know friends who came out of school spending eight hours a day looking for work. (I'm lucky to be employed in a field with a ton of demand.) They send out hundreds of resumes to anyone even vaguely associated with their fields, and on top of that, they apply to every retail, food service, and everything-else job opening that they can find. No dice. No dice for weeks, and months, and years. They are not stupid or lazy people; the U-6 unemployment rate is 15%! I don't know why you expect that alternatives are magically going to materialize for unemployed people, when every job opening has hundreds of applicants. (Also, unemployment insurance generally doesn't apply if you quit voluntarily, or if you're fired with cause.) It's nice that your experience has been that hard-working people always have a decision. It is not representative of the whole world, or the whole country. Show nested quote +I bet she partied in her early years, never built up a resume, and ended up in this situation. OK, if that makes you feel better about not giving a shit.
No, it's not even relatively close, and your entire argument has lost validity.
EDIT: And maybe your friends should have gotten
1. A better resume
2. A better GPA
3. Gone to more career fairs
4. Majored in a better field with more job openings
Guess what? I'm majoring in Business Economics. Job market is god awful for my major. Know what I did? Picked up a minor in accounting. Now I work for a CPA firm and have a side job as a valet on Fri/Sat nights. I'm aware there's unemployment. But out of every 100 looking for jobs, only ~15 can't find them. So how about you don't be in the bottom 15%. I assure you if they had gotten a 3.5 of above they would have no trouble finding jobs. Are they also being smart about it? When they apply to Ralphs, does their resume say that they graduated with a bachelors? If it does, they need to stop being stupid and take it off their resume. Most employers for basic retail will immediately discard your resume if you're a college graduate - because they are overqualified.
Play the market. Sell yourself.
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On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age.
Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them.
It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job.
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On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job.
If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation.
As said I said before, if she wanted health insurance affordable, maybe she should have quit smoking to lower her rates and apply all the money saved on cigarettes to pay for her shoulder getting fixed.
On August 25 2010 01:54 catamorphist wrote:
OK, if that makes you feel better about not giving a shit.
There is no "feel better." I don't feel bad in the first place. Hence not giving a shit. Sheesh. When you don't feel bad in the first place, there's no problems concerning "whatever makes you sleep at night," etc. Because I would never have problems sleeping at night in the first place knowing this is going on. How do you sleep at night when there are hundreds being gangraped in Africa? Please send a portion of your paycheck to them. Every dollar you don't send is dead babies.
Anyway, point still stands; someone has to do this work. I don't see why we should shit on whoever ends up doing it, and if you don't have sympathy for a 41-year-old sick woman who's worked on an assembly line handling toxic waste for 23 years, you don't have sympathy, period for the 41-year-old sick woman who has regularly smoked cigarettes and can't afford health insurance because she put herself in the situation.
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Eeesh.... something somewhat similar happened to a friend of mine, (without the shooting part).
She passed out at work from a medical condition the company knew about. Called in sick the next day and they simply told her not to show up anymore. Pretty fucked up t.t;
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On August 25 2010 02:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job. If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation. As said I said before, if she wanted health insurance affordable, maybe she should have quit smoking to lower her rates and apply all the money saved on cigarettes to pay for her shoulder getting fixed.
You lack compassion and if you think that all those who suffer in similar situations deserve to suffer then you might be bordering on sadistic. In this particular case you seem to suggest that because she is a smoker its her own fault when infact the only fault here is being born in 1 of the only the only 1st world countries which fails to provide affordable health care.
Anyway as i said in my eariler post; When you find out why you are wrong, I will not need to explain it to you.
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On August 25 2010 02:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job. If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation. As said I said before, if she wanted health insurance affordable, maybe she should have quit smoking to lower her rates and apply all the money saved on cigarettes to pay for her shoulder getting fixed.
Sounds like you need a reality check. If you have no money, you don't exactly have the opportunity to say "Oh, I don't need the money I can earn there. If I hold on to this long enough they might raise the salary, just need to survive until they give in! And a higher paycheck might attract other people with better qualifications then me which can put me out of play. But then I did something for the greater good I guess! Even if I will still be left in the cold with no money at all..."
You CAN be forced in a job when you really need the money and don't see any other way out.
It ain't because you have the possibility to pick your job that everybody has that choice. Really seems that you lack a bit of empathy if you ask me.
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Id be interested to know if she has any kids
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On August 25 2010 02:50 Mango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 02:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job. If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation. As said I said before, if she wanted health insurance affordable, maybe she should have quit smoking to lower her rates and apply all the money saved on cigarettes to pay for her shoulder getting fixed. Sounds like you need a reality check. If you have no money, you don't exactly have the opportunity to say "Oh, I don't need the money I can earn there. If I hold on to this long enough they might raise the salary, just need to survive until they give in! And a higher paycheck might attract other people with better qualifications then me which can put me out of play. But then I did something for the greater good I guess! Even if I will still be left in the cold with no money at all..." You CAN be forced in a job when you really need the money and don't see any other way out. It ain't because you have the possibility to pick your job that everybody has that choice. Really seems that you lack a bit of empathy if you ask me.
I never said she should wait. Your bullshit remarks aren't appreciated. No, you can't be forced into a job no matter what circumstance. Every single economist also says you are wrong. You are mixing free will and sympathy. I believe you need a reality check. I am very much a realist.
I'm saying that people are willing to take the job at $8/hr so there's no reason the wage should go up. Completely different than saying wait. I also think most other first world countries are shittier than the United States so you can go throw that terrible argument elsewhere.
PS. My aunt died of breast cancer. She lived in Canada. Her scheduled mammogram (when she just turned 50) made her wait months to actually get in. If she was in the United States and got in immediately they would have detected the cancer sooner and she would have had a better shot at living. My grandfather also had a critical eye injury that they wanted to make him wait over 3 weeks in order to get surgery (which is very short compared to normal wait lists in Canada for surgery, save life threatening ones). He flew to the US to get it done. To save his vision. The Canadian system sucks dick.
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On August 25 2010 00:40 catamorphist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 00:29 EpiCenteR wrote:
Sad story indeed. However, it does not justify stealing other peoples money to fix it. Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 00:29 thrslimde wrote:
But there is a undeniable truth, which is that every person with a serious health issue (and that also includes non-lethal issues that mess up your live or prevent you from living it normally) needs a treatment.
And this truth ends with a fullstop. There are no if's in it. To me there is no argument that could ever be made to counter this statement. And any health care system should fullfil this, even if that means that we need to pay 50% income tax, smoke Cuban cigars all day, and wear oversized sunglasses. Even if the system gets abused as shit. Even if the uncovered people are immigrants. Even if it would destroy the economy, crash the stock exchange and destroys millions of jobs. Just contrasting the previous two posts. There's a real value issue here. Saying it's "stealing" doesn't convince anyone, and neither does saying "any health care system should fulfill this." This is why I don't think serious reform is coming in this generation; half of the population couldn't give a shit about "fairness" or "justice" when it gets in the way of people's health, and the other half couldn't give a shit if their neighbor curls up and dies when it gets in the way of fairness. You can't really reconcile these two positions easily.
Whats "fair" and "just" about forcefully confiscating ones property (money) and giving to to another which did not earn it? If I see someone hurting, or needing help, I will do what I can to help out another person. I am sure most people are the same. However, one should not use the heavy and omnipotent hand of the State to fix social "problems".
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lol I can feel for her pain. I don't blame her for what she did. Furthermore all of the spoiled kids in this thread make me laugh. You people clearly are not aware of how difficult it is making $8/hr while being uninsurable in the private market...
This is just another day in a world where health maintenance requires insurance. Sure it works for the middle-uper and even some of the lower class, but the idea that because the system leaves out some people, that it's their fault. I know this might be a shock to many of you kids, but the real world is actually very difficult and unforgiving. Anyone sitting there making comments about this woman clearly deserve a punch in the face. :D What do you know about her life choices, her financial situation, her intelligence? Maybe she's just not very smart? Are you suddenly interested in attacking slow people?
My point is simply that the people in this thread are quick to point fingers, make comments, tell stories, but all these are is bias justification for your inability to relate.
Like the story above me about someone flying to a different country to get health services, over other health services... Ok, but what if you made $8/hr and had 2 kids and there wasn't socialized healthcare or hell, even cheap healthcare. Oh right you'd just do X Y Z and dodge the problem because you actually can't relate at all
/rant
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So, I just watched the actual news report.
The doctors DID treat her, even without insurance. They gave her anti-inflammatories. As is wont with most (if not all) cases, doctors will indeed treat you with or without insurance because its their job and they will get the shit sued out of them if they refuse anyone treatment. That, and despite what people may think, most get into the medical field because they genuinely care.
It seems to me that instead of getting a second opinion or just taking the anti-inflammatories they gave her, she just freaked out and for some crazy reason shot herself in the shoulder. If she really needed an MRI or any of those things she complained about being "refused because I had no insurance" she would have gotten them. More then likely the doctor said to her, "We could give you an MRI, but there is really no need and without insurance it would cost you a ton of money."
Let's not ignore the fact that this women has a house full of stuff and a pet dog. Seems to me that she could clearly have afforded some cursory health insurance if she really needed it.
As someone working as an EMT, this kind of thing is infuriating. We bend over backwards to treat people, insurance or no, if they are in trouble. And half the time we get sued for our efforts. Now this 'Healthcare' bill has passed and it's made everything worse.
It'd be nice if everyone got free healthcare, sure. But realistically, we have such a good healthcare system here because people do get paid for their efforts. The only problem now-a-days is the health insurance companies, who lobby the hell out of congress. They control all pricing, and essentially decide how much they feel like paying doctors at any given time.
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On August 25 2010 03:04 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 02:50 Mango wrote:On August 25 2010 02:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job. If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation. As said I said before, if she wanted health insurance affordable, maybe she should have quit smoking to lower her rates and apply all the money saved on cigarettes to pay for her shoulder getting fixed. Sounds like you need a reality check. If you have no money, you don't exactly have the opportunity to say "Oh, I don't need the money I can earn there. If I hold on to this long enough they might raise the salary, just need to survive until they give in! And a higher paycheck might attract other people with better qualifications then me which can put me out of play. But then I did something for the greater good I guess! Even if I will still be left in the cold with no money at all..." You CAN be forced in a job when you really need the money and don't see any other way out. It ain't because you have the possibility to pick your job that everybody has that choice. Really seems that you lack a bit of empathy if you ask me. I never said she should wait. Your bullshit remarks aren't appreciated. No, you can't be forced into a job no matter what circumstance. Every single economist also says you are wrong. You are mixing free will and sympathy. I believe you need a reality check. I am very much a realist. I'm saying that people are willing to take the job at $8/hr so there's no reason the wage should go up. Completely different than saying wait. I also think most other first world countries are shittier than the United States so you can go throw that terrible argument elsewhere. PS. My aunt died of breast cancer. She lived in Canada. Her scheduled mammogram (when she just turned 50) made her wait months to actually get in. If she was in the United States and got in immediately they would have detected the cancer sooner and she would have had a better shot at living. My grandfather also had a critical eye injury that they wanted to make him wait over 3 weeks in order to get surgery (which is very short compared to normal wait lists in Canada for surgery, save life threatening ones). He flew to the US to get it done. To save his vision. The Canadian system sucks dick.
Maybe I didn't explain my point to well. Is that job underpaid for the risks it brings? Yes it is. But some money is better then no money. If you have no money and you can't find any other job, I am pretty certain that you will take it for the wage they offer you. That is what I mean with being forced into a job.
For the other first world countries: I didn't say anything about them so I have no idea what my argument on those would be?
But as a response to your extra notes: I do not think Canada has the perfect healthcare system at all. Every system has it's flaws. But personally I do believe it to be a better system then in the USA for social reasons though.
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On August 25 2010 03:17 Motiva wrote:
lol I can feel for her pain. I don't blame her for what she did. Furthermore all of the spoiled kids in this thread make me laugh. You people clearly are not aware of how difficult it is making $8/hr while being uninsurable in the private market...
This is just another day in a world where health maintenance requires insurance. Sure it works for the middle-uper and even some of the lower class, but the idea that because the system leaves out some people, that it's their fault. I know this might be a shock to many of you kids, but the real world is actually very difficult and unforgiving. Anyone sitting there making comments about this woman clearly deserve a punch in the face. :D What do you know about her life choices, her financial situation, her intelligence? Maybe she's just not very smart? Are you suddenly interested in attacking slow people?
My point is simply that the people in this thread are quick to point fingers, make comments, tell stories, but all these are is bias justification for your inability to relate.
Like the story above me about someone flying to a different country to get health services, over other health services... Ok, but what if you made $8/hr and had 2 kids and there wasn't socialized healthcare or hell, even cheap healthcare. Oh right you'd just do X Y Z and dodge the problem because you actually can't relate at all
/rant
I deserve a punch in the face because I lack sympathy for a woman trying to abuse the system? Every time someone pulls a stunt like this it makes it worse for the people trying to actually make a difference.
Sure, we can look at her life choices. Like buying a .25 to shoot herself with, which costs anywhere between $150 and $500 dollars. Maybe she should have purchased insurance with that money?
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Health care is a very sensetive topic
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On August 25 2010 02:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 02:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 24 2010 22:46 Floophead_III wrote:
People shouldn't have to make $8/hour handling toxic waste if they didn't sit around smoking dope for 35 years.
This is America, there is no excuse why anybody ever should have that kind of job at her age. Are you saying all the younger people should be working these jobs? She was younger once too but working a job like that usually leads to continuing to work a job like that. Or are you saying that no one in America should be working these jobs? Somebody has to do them. It's true that you can look at any individual and find a way for them to achieve a good career but you can't look at a nation and find a way for every citizen to have a good career, even if they're all willing and able. Lots and lots of shitty jobs are out there and they need to be done. You shouldn't devalue and trash the person who ends up with a shitty job. If no one takes the job and they "need to be done," then the wages and benefits for the job will go up. No one forced her to take the job, as no one has forced any of them to take the job. Because they are willing to say "yes, I will work at this job for $8/hr" that they get paid $8/hr. Somebody has do to it is never a valid explanation. ...
It is a perfectly valid explanation and if you had understood that the model situations you study, normally cannot be applied to real world situations due to a multitude of external factors, then you might understand why your suggestion is ridiculous at the very least.
People take jobs because they need money for living. Your suggestion that nobody should take shitty jobs, so the "wages and benefits" for the job are raised, has the premise that these potential workers would have other means of supporting their living during the time, in which they are not employed at the shitty job. Potential scenarios when this could apply are:
- if the demand for labor was higher than the supply (aka 100% employment rate), so the shittiest jobs would have to improve their conditions in order to get any workers
- if every unemployed person was not hard pressed for money (e.g. has a hidden stash of gold under his house) and does not need an income to survive
- other utopian scenarios (e.g. people could photosynthesize)
In reality however, the very moment somebody leaves his shitty job for whatever reason, there are hordes of people craving to get it, because they have decided for themselves that living in a rat-infested hole eating cheap soup and having a health condition is better than starving under a bridge.
On August 24 2010 20:53 Galois wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 16:58 ggrrg wrote:
- sueing her employer (for whatever reason)
omg... good luck starting a lawsuit when you have no money. In most justice systems around the world it is of far lesser importance who is right than who has more money. you misread, mister Bulgarian. its the other way around. that's the situation that makes her say that she hopes to go to jail what i don't understand is how anybody could look at this poor woman's situation and NOT be for helping out her and everyone like her.
Way to be condescending, Mister triple-post. I most certainly have acquired the ability to read, but I am not so certain about you.
On August 24 2010 15:55 TanGeng wrote:
Fuck her.
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On top of that, why can't she just sue her employer?
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My statement was targeted at this post and at anybody that might agree with it or suggest something similar.
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On August 24 2010 15:03 w_Ender_w wrote:
Yeah, Obama is really going to save us! I mean, he already bailed out all those failed companies so their CEO's could shit on gold toilets. Then he was nice enough to pass health care reform, which has done nothing except make it so I can be thrown in jail and fined if I don't want to buy health insurance.
Thanks Obama!
As someone going into the healthcare field (I'm an EMT and am trying to get into med school) I can say that whereas some reform would be nice, what we passed is doing nothing but terrible harm.
All I've seen from this most recent election is that democrats and republicans are all the same. They just pander and pander to whoever feeds them the money (unless it's the taxpayer!) and no matter who is in office, they just want more government power.
I find it terribly sad that I can't say I have ever had the chance to say I was proud of one of my politicians.
This is very true, it's kinda sad to see all the changes Obama has made to be more a socialistic stand i.e. bailing out failed companies where in a capitalist society these companies should utterly fail and be forced to learn from their mistakes, and the new healthcare system where if I don't buy healthcare I either have to pay an annual fine or go to jail.
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"Ms. Myers, 41 years old, HOMOSEXUAL, smokes, worked with toxic waste for 23 years.."
lols, what does her sexuallity have to do with anything.
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On August 24 2010 16:16 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 15:55 TanGeng wrote:
Fuck her.
So her solution for not having health care is pulling this BS and trying to get a free ride? And for what? For the shoulder to hurt no less than before? The hospitals and doctors are screwy too and don't have a sense of responsibility to treat these people.
On top of that, why can't she just sue her employer? Unless, of course, it's known risk basically screaming at workers, "This job isn't worth it" or "Find another job!" Seriously quit smoking, too. You kind of feel sorry for her fucked up situation, but she's unrepentant pretentious bitch.
I love all these self-destructive attention seeking whores. +1, this sob story is just retarded. Why should somebody who's voluntarily subjected themselves to that many health risks "deserve" to be insured? Did anyone put a gun to her head and force her to work handling toxic waste or coerce her into using cigarette? The fact that she was willing to shoot herself in addition to her profession and smoking habit might just reveal that she has some serious self destructive tendencies. As an insurance company, or better yet a taxpayer, I wouldn't want somebody with these kind of proclivities to have health insurance. If it's a big enough deal to her she's willing to shoot herself, it's a big enough deal for her to rethink her life a bit and maybe get a different job with health insurance.
My dad is a psycotic and have cronic backpain. He never chose to be mentally ill and he didn't realise how important his back was when he was a kid. Now he only has one job that he can barely
handle and he doesn't get any sickcare anymore because our goverment has switched to right-wing. This means that the goverment wants my dad to work more by stop paying him to force him out on the market even though his condition hasn't changed. So now he's gotten into an even deeeper depression and almost gave up on live during the summer. And remember that it is sweden that i live in and we have generally great healthcare.
My point is that if it's tough for my family and my dad, then i can't imagine how fucking sad it must be for the unemployed people that nobody wants to sell their insurance to. If we lived in U.S (thank god we don't) nobody would hire my dad and i wouldn't be suprised if my family was split and my dad nuts or my mom was a widow. 
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