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On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border?
Excellent post and well worded. It's amazing how many "liberal-minded" people talk and talk about we're all heartless bastards but in the end they don't realize how much more money they'd have if they didn't have to pay, or consequentially how much their "compassion" costs.
The average, middle-class person pays way way way more in taxes than they need to. Why is this? The rich invest everything into business, trust funds, and other loopholes to avoid the absurd taxes. Some of this is good because it can create jobs and growth (and the law should work in such a way as to promote business investment), but sometimes it's not. The poor pay nothing and receive MASSIVE compensation from the bloated welfare state (take a look at our national budget. Look how much is in SS, welfare, medicaid and medicare.) It's ridiculous that people think we don't do enough, because clearly when our budget for welfare is over twice our defense budget something is wrong with the gov't. Our primary objective sure isn't to give handouts.
Unfortunately, we "republicans" do live in the real world. In the real world, sometimes shit happens, and sometimes some people have shitty lives. Is this perfect? No. Do we want this? No. But is it realistic to believe we can give everybody everything? No, it's really not.
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On August 25 2010 05:55 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:51 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. I am taxed around 9-10% on every paycheck. The maximum FEDERAL income tax is 35%. I work at a CPA firm, my father is a CPA, and I am an accounting minor. Over 50% might have been a slight exaggeration, but far more accurate than you stating a specific false number. You sure you know what's easy to spot out? If you're getting taxed 10% you're making under 5.8k a year, in which i suggest you get a new job and "stop taking the first job that comes around". So you agree, both arguments you used to support your claims that I was wrong were entirely false? Nope, like i said before no one is getting taxed as low as 8% and also no one is getting taxed even remotely close to 50%. How do you not understand? Is there something wrong with you? Why do you make things up to support your views? Are you that brainless? I understand it's hard to argue something thats completely false so why don't you just call it a day and go play outside with your friends.
Bahahaha you know absolutely nothing about taxes. Take an accounting course and get back to me. You can pay 0% tax on a $50,000 salary if you have enough deductions. Stop arguing with someone who is currently working in a CPA firm. Even just to check because I wasn't sure, I just asked our senior tax manager at the firm and he said you were full of shit. You had me doubting all I had learned for a sec.
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On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part.
I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it.
8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code.
As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope.
The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded.
Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus.
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On August 25 2010 06:08 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part. I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it. 8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code. As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope. The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded. Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus.
Yeah, all those taxes = income taxes, no I didn't think so. Even including these other taxes it still will not reach close to 50%.
On August 25 2010 06:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:55 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:51 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. I am taxed around 9-10% on every paycheck. The maximum FEDERAL income tax is 35%. I work at a CPA firm, my father is a CPA, and I am an accounting minor. Over 50% might have been a slight exaggeration, but far more accurate than you stating a specific false number. You sure you know what's easy to spot out? If you're getting taxed 10% you're making under 5.8k a year, in which i suggest you get a new job and "stop taking the first job that comes around". So you agree, both arguments you used to support your claims that I was wrong were entirely false? Nope, like i said before no one is getting taxed as low as 8% and also no one is getting taxed even remotely close to 50%. How do you not understand? Is there something wrong with you? Why do you make things up to support your views? Are you that brainless? I understand it's hard to argue something thats completely false so why don't you just call it a day and go play outside with your friends. Bahahaha you know absolutely nothing about taxes. Take an accounting course and get back to me. You can pay 0% tax on a $50,000 salary if you have enough deductions. Stop arguing with someone who is currently working in a CPA firm. Even just to check because I wasn't sure, I just asked our senior tax manager at the firm and he said you were full of shit. You had me doubting all I had learned for a sec.
When you're done making up numbers and stories do come back to post!
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On August 25 2010 06:11 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 06:08 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part. I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it. 8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code. As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope. The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded. Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus. Yeah, all those taxes = income taxes, no I didn't think so. Even including these other taxes it still will not reach close to 50%.
Yes it does, and 90% of that is income.
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On August 25 2010 06:12 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 06:11 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 06:08 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part. I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it. 8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code. As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope. The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded. Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus. Yeah, all those taxes = income taxes, no I didn't think so. Even including these other taxes it still will not reach close to 50%. Yes it does, and 90% of that is income.
I'm not going to argue with someone who uses bait and switch to attempt to get his views across. Second at no time was anyone talking about property tax, sales tax, or any of this shit you are bringing in. And if you're paying 50%+ taxes maybe you should get a pro like fabledignoramus to do them for you, he's obv. a very intelligent being.
end of ranting to teenagers who know everything.
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On August 25 2010 06:15 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 06:12 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 06:11 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 06:08 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part. I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it. 8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code. As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope. The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded. Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus. Yeah, all those taxes = income taxes, no I didn't think so. Even including these other taxes it still will not reach close to 50%. Yes it does, and 90% of that is income. I'm not going to argue with someone who uses bait and switch to attempt to get his views across. Second at no time was anyone talking about property tax, sales tax, or any of this shit you are bringing in. And if you're paying 50%+ taxes maybe you should get a pro like fabledignoramus to do them for you, he's obv. a very intelligent being. end of ranting to teenagers who know everything.
But... but... I'm not a teenager 
Also I haven't ranted. I just reviewed every post. You ranted. You flamed. Your posts were filled with name calling towards me. I didn't do any of that.
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On August 25 2010 06:17 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 06:15 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 06:12 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 06:11 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 06:08 Floophead_III wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. After the world wars, the top bracket was getting taxed 85%-93%!!! AND THEY ARE STILL FILTHY RICH. What a great business student you are, don't even know tax brackets. Or did you make that up also to "support your view"? I wasn't rewording anything you said, in fact that post wasn't even for you. But you do fit the bill for the ignoramus know it all part. I might be double posting, but you're so stupid it warrants it. 8% taxes is very possible since he probably gets some big writeoffs for having student loans and such. It might not be the amount taken from his paycheck but I bet he gets a big return or something. There's a lot of little exceptions in the code. As for nobody paying over 50%, almost everyone from my area (N. VA) pays that much. The average income is very high because the cost of living is just as high (I think it's like 90k for a family of 4 is the estimate.) It's not like we're all rich, we just pay insane taxes. I think my family pays close to, if not more than 50%. You have to keep in mind it's not all federal, probably 35% federal but then there's state, local, property... you get the picture I hope. The reason the top bracket never actually loses 90% of their money is it's all hidden in investments, trusts, and business. Nobody has that much money in capital. That'd be retarded. Ironically, it is you who is the ignoramus. Yeah, all those taxes = income taxes, no I didn't think so. Even including these other taxes it still will not reach close to 50%. Yes it does, and 90% of that is income. I'm not going to argue with someone who uses bait and switch to attempt to get his views across. Second at no time was anyone talking about property tax, sales tax, or any of this shit you are bringing in. And if you're paying 50%+ taxes maybe you should get a pro like fabledignoramus to do them for you, he's obv. a very intelligent being. end of ranting to teenagers who know everything. But... but... I'm not a teenager
You're 20 years old, which is a child.
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On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
... If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Wheres the moral line in the sand between a saint like you and a sick and disgusting person? A dollar a month? Every dollar you spend could go towards saving some else's life- you could live in a smaller place, sell your car, live on bread and water and live like a monk. Every one of those dollars could go towards saving lives. You aren't asking for charity from people, you are demanding forced labor towards ends you think are noble. Every dollar you demand is minutes of some taxpayer's life, try to realize that the policies you think are black and white have trade-offs.
Why don't these people, who don't want to chain themselves together quite as tightly as you think is morally demanded, form their own country and live by different rules? maybe we can call it the USA. As far as your ridiculous aside on living outside of society, why would those who are most dependent on others for their food, water, clothing and health care fare better in the wild?
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
Nobody is making the argument that life is completely fair- you seem to think we can make it fair through social programs though. Thats what I would call a fantasy world. If you remove all of the shitty results that are heaped on people who make shitty decisions, you get more people making shitty decisions. Its unavoidable, life is unfair.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you want to force people to pay to support less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society.
Charity is noble, taking money from others to fund charity is theft.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering.
An important point that is seldom brought up is that the US government spends enough on social programs (all of them put together at all levels) that they could cut checks for every person under the poverty line to bring them up to it. How much more money should they spend?
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On August 25 2010 06:04 Floophead_III wrote:
Unfortunately, we "republicans" do live in the real world. In the real world, sometimes shit happens, and sometimes some people have shitty lives. Is this perfect? No. Do we want this? No. But is it realistic to believe we can give everybody everything? No, it's really not.
There's a difference between "giving everybody everything" and "providing free health care and college education like most first world countries seem to do".
Do you think providing universal health care is impossible in the US? Congress could do it right now. Let's just hold off invading oil fields held by weak third world dictators for a decade and you already have enough money in the budget to pay for health care like 10 times over.
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its unfortunate but that is the cruel reality of life. health care isnt free in many other parts of the world too. i had to live with the same situation myself.
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On August 25 2010 06:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:55 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:51 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. I am taxed around 9-10% on every paycheck. The maximum FEDERAL income tax is 35%. I work at a CPA firm, my father is a CPA, and I am an accounting minor. Over 50% might have been a slight exaggeration, but far more accurate than you stating a specific false number. You sure you know what's easy to spot out? If you're getting taxed 10% you're making under 5.8k a year, in which i suggest you get a new job and "stop taking the first job that comes around". So you agree, both arguments you used to support your claims that I was wrong were entirely false? Nope, like i said before no one is getting taxed as low as 8% and also no one is getting taxed even remotely close to 50%. How do you not understand? Is there something wrong with you? Why do you make things up to support your views? Are you that brainless? I understand it's hard to argue something thats completely false so why don't you just call it a day and go play outside with your friends. Bahahaha you know absolutely nothing about taxes. Take an accounting course and get back to me. You can pay 0% tax on a $50,000 salary if you have enough deductions. Stop arguing with someone who is currently working in a CPA firm. Even just to check because I wasn't sure, I just asked our senior tax manager at the firm and he said you were full of shit. You had me doubting all I had learned for a sec.
Getting a tax return does not in ANY way mean you aren't paying the taxes. Your arguments are so ridden with bait and switch and strawman it's almost impossible to keep track of the bull you have stated already.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?DocID=543&Topic2id=30&Topic3id=38
a little bit of information, prob. can go a long way seeing as how misinformed you are on taxes.
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How is it that in one breath, you guys say, life is unfair. Then in the next breath, you say that it's not right to take your money to help someone else? Why not? I think it's right.
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This is pretty amusing, in general. Gotta say, at least she's got persistence.
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Many of the republicans seem to be OK with the fact that "life is unfair" as long as they are on the right side of this deal.
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On August 25 2010 04:49 EpiCenteR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 04:39 nttea wrote:
I am utterly disgusted at the amount of people lacking basic human compassion in this thread... So she made some mistakes in her life? you really think she doesn't deserve healthcare because she was stupid enough to 1. Smoke (which is something ALOT of people do, and it's addictive and very hard to quit for most people. Probably even harder for someone with a life that sucks ass) 2. worked with toxic waste. Guess what, someone has to do it. You know the world could be a much better place if you weren't such assholes. So your definition of compassion is that people are entitled to others wealth?
Yeah kind of. What's your definition of compassion?
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On August 25 2010 06:58 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 04:49 EpiCenteR wrote:On August 25 2010 04:39 nttea wrote:
I am utterly disgusted at the amount of people lacking basic human compassion in this thread... So she made some mistakes in her life? you really think she doesn't deserve healthcare because she was stupid enough to 1. Smoke (which is something ALOT of people do, and it's addictive and very hard to quit for most people. Probably even harder for someone with a life that sucks ass) 2. worked with toxic waste. Guess what, someone has to do it. You know the world could be a much better place if you weren't such assholes. So your definition of compassion is that people are entitled to others wealth? Yeah kind of. What's your definition of compassion?
Attacking countries and "liberating" them!!!!!
User was temp banned for this post.
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kind of offtopic + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 07:02 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 06:58 nttea wrote:On August 25 2010 04:49 EpiCenteR wrote:On August 25 2010 04:39 nttea wrote:
I am utterly disgusted at the amount of people lacking basic human compassion in this thread... So she made some mistakes in her life? you really think she doesn't deserve healthcare because she was stupid enough to 1. Smoke (which is something ALOT of people do, and it's addictive and very hard to quit for most people. Probably even harder for someone with a life that sucks ass) 2. worked with toxic waste. Guess what, someone has to do it. You know the world could be a much better place if you weren't such assholes. So your definition of compassion is that people are entitled to others wealth? Yeah kind of. What's your definition of compassion? Attacking countries and "liberating" them!!!!! User was temp banned for this post. meh he was an emotional poster but i guess this is purely ironical this time. also he did not made up much of an arguement else than attacking. too well informed misslead. but come one.. ban for this one? that was his first smart ironic one. (lurking this thread some time, this FabledIntegral made some good point tho, i am not sure to kick this tax one to another level... there is much more to know if you are willingly. gonna check reasoning, well deserverd, but i would have called the ban on some of his senseless rants before than this well made pun, just me, is okay)
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On August 24 2010 14:52 teekesselchen wrote:
Rubric "A news and the story behind" in the german "SPIEGEL" 33/2010.
Title: The Rescue Shot
- "How a patient tried to solve an insurance issue."
"Ms. Myers, 41 years old, homosexual, smokes, worked with toxic waste for 23 years, with asbestos, with radioactive material. The nightmare of every insurance company, high risk candidate for cancer, asthma, skin diseases.
She would have had to pay more than a thousand dollars a month. Sorting waste earned her 8$ an hour."
She suffered a very painful shoulder injury when walking the dog.
""There is no mortal danger", said the doctor at Lakeland Community Hospital in Niles, Michigan, "we can't treat your shoulder, because you have no health insurance." The nurse gave her a painkiller.
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Myers swallowed some pills, continued her work, the pain in her shoulder got worse. She voted for Obama, partially because of the health care reform. Nothing changed yet. 47 million Americans without health insurance, Myers one of them. She passed out at the assembly line. Next day she called her employer, reported sick. "You don't need to come anymore at all" they told her.
At that point she, daughter of a cashier and youngest of six childs, made a decision: She would make politics herself, set an example."
Afterwards, she shot her shoulder to make the injury a life threatening one and called 911.
"The ambulance came and brought her to the hospital, 500$. In the hospital they radiograph her shoulder. The gunshot wound only is a flesh wound, nothing serious. They inject a pain killer in her arm. They give her two slices of bread, a cookie and a glass of tea. Six hours later she leaves the hospital, 1800$.
[...]
"The whole thing didn't achieve me anything" Myers says and takes a pull of her cigarette. She laughs humorless, "the pain is exactly as bad as before."
[...]
She is charged with an lawsuit for unathorized use of a gun inside a city area. Myers hopes for imprisonement. "In jail" she says, "they even have a dentist.""
Just one more story that makes it totally unbelievable and even disgusting to me that there still are Americans who deeply refuse a health care reform. A nightmare for affected people as well as doctors who aren't allowed to treat ill or injured people.
You can't give everyone things we can't afford. It's economics. It doesn't matter how necessary it seems: when things cost more than a country makes, the country shouldn't buy them. Unfortunately Congress doesn't listen (~3 trillion dollar debt added by Obama administration in 1.5 years; 5 added by Bush in 8).
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On August 25 2010 06:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 05:55 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:51 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:40 muse5187 wrote:On August 25 2010 05:36 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 25 2010 05:10 StarBrift wrote:
Some of you heartless people really need to live in pain for a couple of years to put the real world in perspective. You've lived an extremely lucky life if you're healthy and make decent wage. The attitude that some people have that they don't want to pay for others is simply unacceptable. Other people help you live your life, that's what society is about. If you can't even find it in you to pay like an additional dollar a month to help save peoples lives you are truly truly sick and disguisting as a person. If you hate cooperation between people (economically or in what ever way) then why don't you live outside of society? Build a hut from sticks you find in the woods and eat only what you hunt. Half of you pretentious pricks that whine about miniscule taxes wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild if you were forced to.
Alot of people here also live in the fantasy world where everything is fair and if someone is poor or has a hard time it must be their fault. It seems like people can't understand that not everyone has a father that pays your way through college and gets you a job at his firm etc. Some people that are in trouble (medically or economically) really has just had a fucking shitty chance at life. To not help these people based ont he illusion that they had good chances that they fucked up due to lazyness or that they have made bad choices is just appalling.
People have their right to difference in opinion. If you say you don't want to pay a dime to less fortunate people then by all means go ahead and have that opinion. But don't try make it seem like you're morally superior or what you are doing is actually good for the society. Its pure selfishness and inability to comprehend very simple facts.
Take note that this isn't directed to anyone in this thread specifically. But in every single one of these threads this type of person comes in and tries to undermine the entire point of health care and financial aid. Just because a very small ammount of people use the system to get things for free (which isn't easy if the system is regulated properly) that isn't a good enough reason to not help people who are living in pain and suffering. What you say sounds nice and all if only it were true. First of all, taxes are barely considered to be "minute," and if it were the matter of merely paying a dollar I assure you almost no one would mind. But guess what, while some people are being taxed like ~8% of their salary like I am (and I have a $5,500 student loan out, so I'm not exactly swimming in money), others are paying over 50% of their salary. Don't say it's small, the accumulation of all the welfare taxes is CRAZY. Imagine your work telling you you're going to receive a $5,000 paycheck every 2 weeks and when you receive it... it's only $2,700. And guess why you're paying that much? Because some asshole you don't even know had a heart attack from eating too many double cheeseburgers and large fries. Of course there are the few exceptions where people are fucked. You seem to be highly misguided on what you think [most Republicans] think of fairness. What most think is quite simply that the world isn't fair, but you can't use that as a reason to make everyone care about everyone else. There's a massive difference between what you're saying as well and what I'm saying. I'm saying the government shouldn't FORCE people to pay a dime to the unfortunate. If people want to help their fellow members they should do it because they want to, not because they are forced to. I don't know how old you are, but say your country suddenly cuts 100% of its welfare and your paycheck now increases by 25%. Are you now going to donate that extra 25% back to welfare? Probably not. But it wouldn't be any different for you really and by your principles you should. Please tell me why you aren't acting purely selfish for failing to donate your extra dollars to those in Africa who are starving. Maybe there's a fallacy in that argument but no one in this thread has yet to even attempt to address it. Are their lives worth less because they don't live in a certain imaginary border? No one is only paying 8% taxes in USA. So based on the fact that you're making false claims, I'm just goint to stop reading there. You obv. are some troll or kid that doesn't know anything about the world and real life. Also no one is getting income taxes at 50% since the maximum is 35% as of now. So please stop making up bullshit to support your point, it's so easy to spot. I am taxed around 9-10% on every paycheck. The maximum FEDERAL income tax is 35%. I work at a CPA firm, my father is a CPA, and I am an accounting minor. Over 50% might have been a slight exaggeration, but far more accurate than you stating a specific false number. You sure you know what's easy to spot out? If you're getting taxed 10% you're making under 5.8k a year, in which i suggest you get a new job and "stop taking the first job that comes around". So you agree, both arguments you used to support your claims that I was wrong were entirely false? Nope, like i said before no one is getting taxed as low as 8% and also no one is getting taxed even remotely close to 50%. How do you not understand? Is there something wrong with you? Why do you make things up to support your views? Are you that brainless? I understand it's hard to argue something thats completely false so why don't you just call it a day and go play outside with your friends. Bahahaha you know absolutely nothing about taxes. Take an accounting course and get back to me. You can pay 0% tax on a $50,000 salary if you have enough deductions. Stop arguing with someone who is currently working in a CPA firm. Even just to check because I wasn't sure, I just asked our senior tax manager at the firm and he said you were full of shit. You had me doubting all I had learned for a sec.
What I find really weird is that you blame welfare for stealing your money. I live in a country famous for being the one welfare state.I am also a pretty standard worker at the moment working in IT. I'm taxed at 31% which gets deducted to roughly 24-26% because of write-offs. Yet I get free health care, I pay less than 15 dollars a month and I'm covered for any hospital expense no matter how high. I live in a country were everyone gets to go on welfare aslong as they don't have any funds to support themselves. I also have more disposable income than the average Amercian. So if a country can offer welfare to pretty much everyone that wants it aswell as supporting free healthcare to everyone can manage to give their workers higher disposable income, then the logical conclution would be that welfare isn't the money drain.
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