EPTNo health insurance - Woman shoots her shoulder - Page 2
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
- bailout... Not sure why you would even pick up a totally unrelated issue, but since I sense a strong negative connotation in those posts, I feel the need to try to make you at least read up something relevant on this topic. Everybody with a basic understanding of how the world's economy works will understand what the idea behind the bailout was. It was absolutely neccessary and there was basically no way around it. That's the reason why whole Europe and Japan amongst others passed their own stimulus packages including bank and whatever bailouts. It might be arguable if the American stimulus package (or any other for that matter) was perfectly planned, if everything was neccessary or if priorities have been set correctly, but it is a fact that there was absolutely no other option besides a stimulus package with bailouts for some major companies... - sueing her employer (for whatever reason) omg... good luck starting a lawsuit when you have no money. In most justice systems around the world it is of far lesser importance who is right than who has more money. - her own fault for working such a shitty job (should have gotten a better one) well yeah, she accepted the job, knowing what she was going to do. But I'd guess that she has very poor education and would probably be considered "stupid". She surely didn't consider the consequences back then. Also, I'm sure that there isn't much that she'd be able to work anyway. By the way, you do realize that unemployment stems not only from people's lazyness but also from lack of jobs? As far as this woman's case is concerned, it is sounds like a pretty dumb decission to shoot yourself no matter what. Obvisouly she was in great pain, especially since she fainted at her job, so I guess she didn't see any other option. Nevertheless, the whole story is a prime example of why universal health care should be implemented in every developed country in the world (Actually, is there a developed country besides the US that doesn't have universal health care?). In the end it is an ethical question, but I really don't understand how a country, in which charity is valued so highly, and in which so many religious zealots dwell, can be opposed to an act of humanity that would benefit basically everybody. + Show Spoiler + Please, never use the word irregardless...it's just terrible... | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
Oh the side-effects of capitalism.. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
I can't be bothered to express my entire thoughts (b/c I'm actually not sure what they really are), but I'm on the same side of the fence as Jibba. | ||
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Klumaster
United Kingdom36 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
this healthcare crap in US is retarded and Obama doesn't change shit he really isnt any different minus his skin color. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On August 24 2010 18:25 Mykill wrote: i'd be smarter to shoot yourself in Canada. they fix you up for free at least. this healthcare crap in US is retarded and Obama doesn't change shit he really isnt any different minus his skin color. he tried to change things, but his proposition got butchered by retard republicans whose only aim was to make sure the reform would be a failure so that they can later say 'look how much you fucked up' in the upcoming elections and hope that people will forget how deep george W bush ran the country into the ground obama's original proposal was good, the 'thing' that got passed is an abomination | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On August 24 2010 16:16 Drowsy wrote: +1, this sob story is just retarded. Why should somebody who's voluntarily subjected themselves to that many health risks "deserve" to be insured? Did anyone put a gun to her head and force her to work handling toxic waste or coerce her into using cigarette? The fact that she was willing to shoot herself in addition to her profession and smoking habit might just reveal that she has some serious self destructive tendencies. As an insurance company, or better yet a taxpayer, I wouldn't want somebody with these kind of proclivities to have health insurance. If it's a big enough deal to her she's willing to shoot herself, it's a big enough deal for her to rethink her life a bit and maybe get a different job with health insurance. I don't know how your health insurance works in USA, but have you ever seen someone in real pain? Those people would really shoot themselves if they think it would fix them. | ||
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
On August 24 2010 18:30 IntoTheBush wrote: I guess she snorted her whole script of Oxy's within the first week. She was probably dope sick and needed the drugs. Anyone think of that? That was my first thought as well. People like the woman in the OP are examples of what is wrong with the country, not a shining example of why it needs to be changed. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On August 24 2010 16:16 Drowsy wrote: +1, this sob story is just retarded. Why should somebody who's voluntarily subjected themselves to that many health risks "deserve" to be insured? Did anyone put a gun to her head and force her to work handling toxic waste or coerce her into using cigarette? The fact that she was willing to shoot herself in addition to her profession and smoking habit might just reveal that she has some serious self destructive tendencies. As an insurance company, or better yet a taxpayer, I wouldn't want somebody with these kind of proclivities to have health insurance. If it's a big enough deal to her she's willing to shoot herself, it's a big enough deal for her to rethink her life a bit and maybe get a different job with health insurance. If she didn't work in a center to recycle toxic waste / nuclear waste, someone else would. Unless you expect the waste to recycle by itself which will not happen. Every country need people like this to accept to work in these recycling centers. Saying you wouldn't want to support these people as a taxpayer is terrible. Unless you never use electricity from nuclear plants, or never use any products that generated toxic waste during his manufacture (most do). I agree with you regarding her smoking habit. Her shooting herself, as the article mentions, was more to set an example. | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
Edit: Irregardless is not even a word. | ||
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Bahamabrahma
United States3 Posts
And any company disposing of waste on a professional level will most certainly have health insurance, it is required by any responsible company and that is a general UAC violation unless she did not work full time(her fault). Even self-pay programs through your emplyer cost about 30-40 bucks a month. In any case, 8 dollars an hour will bring you about 800 bucks a month, which, while shit, can still fund your own privately owned insurance, which costs the average person about 75-120 bucks a month. | ||
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Nixda
119 Posts
But everyone has a right to their opinion, and if there isn't enough compassion around to want general healthcare, then I'd like to look at the economic side of things instead. Reading this thread, I'm amazed how many think that this is a clear case, where on one side insuring everyone will cost money, and on the other side keeping the status quo, the uninsured citizens wont cost others money. But is that really true ? How does a person who becomes unable to perform work because of disease or injury that could be cured impact the economy ? Is having one more unemployed, unproductive person in the country a good thing ? What will that person eat ? How will he/she pay rent ? Maybe charity can help, maybe the person will steal, maybe the person will do somthing to go to jail to get medical care and food. So how are these things NOT costing the general public money but an insurance does ? Would it not be much preferable for the community to help that person out, curing the disease or injury so she can support herself again and not continue costing others money ? | ||
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Ruien
China17 Posts
I was valedictorian of electrical engineering at my university and went through all of my schooling on scholarship. It wasn't actually very hard; all it took was some dedication from a young age, and then being fortunate enough to have grown up in the USA did the rest. I now live in China, and the kids here don't have half the opportunities I, or the woman mentioned in the article, had growing up. In my opinion, it seems that irresponsible behavior is largely a result of people having their previous irresponsible behavior tolerated. All of that said, I'm not against health care reform in the least (Nixda is on the right track with this). Exactly as never_toss and others have stated, the problem is that the money that could be used on this is being funneled to stupid things instead, whether war, financial bailouts (which will hurt later), or our insanely complicated tax system. But I don't agree with fueling the reform based on emotional stories and based on specious arguments, because then the problem is later "solved" in an unsustainable way, and the problem reappears in another form. Edit: Anyone think it's weird that someone is actually spending money to prosecute her for “inappropriate gun use" rather than helping her out? Litigation is expensive. Edit 2: The "If she didn't work in a center to recycle toxic waste / nuclear waste, someone else would" argument is wrong. If everyone was educated and had good alternative work options (including starting their own business if necessary), then no recycling center could hire these people without providing adequate insurance. Supply/demand. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On August 24 2010 18:55 endy wrote: If she didn't work in a center to recycle toxic waste / nuclear waste, someone else would. Unless you expect the waste to recycle by itself which will not happen. Every country need people like this to accept to work in these recycling centers. Saying you wouldn't want to support these people as a taxpayer is terrible. Unless you never use electricity from nuclear plants, or never use any products that generated toxic waste during his manufacture (most do). I agree with you regarding her smoking habit. Her shooting herself, as the article mentions, was more to set an example. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On August 24 2010 19:43 Ruien wrote: Edit 2: The "If she didn't work in a center to recycle toxic waste / nuclear waste, someone else would" argument is wrong. If everyone was educated and had good alternative work options (including starting their own business if necessary), then no recycling center could hire these people without providing adequate insurance. Supply/demand. How is that more wrong than supposing "If everyone was educated"... The demand is just too high compared to the supply. And even if everyone was educated, you would have educated people to work in a recycling center, educated garbagemen etc. But shitty jobs will always exist whatever the level of education. Even if 100% of the population had a PhD from Harvard you would still need someone to work as a garbageman. And recycling centers are indirectly funded by taxpayers or is a part of the cost of the electricity on your electricity bill in the case of nuclear power. My initial point was criticizing someone who as a taxpayer wouldn't want to support someone working in a recycling center. = is not willing to pay more tax so that recycling centers can provide a good health insurance. | ||
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Galois
United States124 Posts
On August 24 2010 14:53 Coagulation wrote: o wait.. so now we are supposed to all bitch about how shitty the healthcare in the states is. you bet your ass. it is the absolute least that anyone could do for this poor woman. | ||
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