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baubo
China3370 Posts
You can see the difference, as Americans are generally the most tolerant people when it comes to racial or ethnic discrimination. On November 07 2009 07:50 kaizenmx wrote: At least, koreans dont act like cheap bastards. So, what do you think about Jews? | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On November 07 2009 07:49 himurakenshin wrote: I think that if you said this about korean people you would have gotten banned. Well, Allot of Chinese say the same thing about Koreans. However, It is not what I find in my observations and I interact with different races all the time. 1. Arabs will always try to push you around. 2. White people always ask which part of China you are from. (Sif they would know if I tell them) 3. Italians and Greeks will always judge you base on the label of your clothes. 4. Indians will always try to act like they are better than you until you prove them wrong, they would waste hours of your time asking stupid questions and cut in on other conversations like they own the place. I dunno, maybe they just don't have a thing called courtesy in India. 5. Asians can be classified in 4 groups, the Chinese, the South East Asians, Korean/Japanese and the bananas who aren't really asian except the skincolour. Koreans and Japanese always bow when you go near them and take all the effort to make everything conformtable for you. We don't have enough black people here for me to make a conclusion, the African refugees that you see on trains would get high and drunk and playback rap songs on their shitty cellphones. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On November 07 2009 12:59 haduken wrote: Well, Allot of Chinese say the same thing about Koreans. However, It is not what I find in my observations and I interact with different races all the time. 1. Arabs will always try to push you around. 2. White people always ask which part of China you are from. (Sif they would know if I tell them) 3. Italians and Greeks will always judge you base on the label of your clothes. 4. Indians will always try to act like they are better than you until you prove them wrong, they would waste hours of your time asking stupid questions and cut in on other conversations like they own the place. I dunno, maybe they just don't have a thing called courtesy in India. 5. Asians can be classified in 4 groups, the Chinese, the South East Asians, Korean/Japanese and the bananas who aren't really asian except the skincolour. Koreans and Japanese always bow when you go near them and take all the effort to make everything conformtable for you. We don't have enough black people here for me to make a conclusion, the African refugees that you see on trains would get high and drunk and playback rap songs on their shitty cellphones. I'm Italian and I have to say that that's the first time I've ever heard that particular claim. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
My previous post was just my personal observation, take it how you like it. I don't know how multicultural Canada is but It is a sad day when you can't just rant on other people and not get bandwagoned. His location is set to China even though he lives in Australia and I have no clue what his quote means. Last time I checked, this forum was English-speaking. Just based on that alone, I could imagine him being one of the arrogant, obnoxious people he describes. What the hell does my location have to do with anything? You my friend have a very interesting sense of logic. As for my quote, I wrote that during Beijing Olympics when it was trendy to put that in all your online profiles (for Chinese anyway.) I don't maintain my TL account these days, if you are so put off by a few random characters, I will go change it. How about you tell all progaming followers to do the same? Seriously, if you disagree with me then just say that, your attempt to personal attacking me was lame. | ||
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2b-Rigtheous
Korea (South)50 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 07 2009 14:01 haduken wrote: lol, okay. You are right. My previous post was just my personal observation, take it how you like it. I don't know how multicultural Canada is but It is a sad day when you can't just rant on other people and not get bandwagoned. What the hell does my location have to do with anything? You my friend have a very interesting sense of logic. As for my quote, I wrote that during Beijing Olympics when it was trendy to put that in all your online profiles (for Chinese anyway.) I don't maintain my TL account these days, if you are so put off by a few random characters, I will go change it. How about you tell all progaming followers to do the same? Seriously, if you disagree with me then just say that, your attempt to personal attacking me was lame. It wasn't a personal attack, but like you admitted, your quote was something popular written which only Chinese people understand, and despite living in Australia, you take the location area as something to reference being Chinese. I brought it up because I remember in highschool one our teachers brought up the fact that there are some stores owned by Chinese people which have Chinese letters written only or when they do have English translations of the store name, it is in small font at the bottom. Her issue was that if they want to immigrate to Canada, they should embrace where they are living and not try and distance themselves in such ways, or at least allow the majority of the populution to read what they are selling. They should have the name of their stores in English, and have Chinese letters in small font at the bottom. A lot of the asian students were mad with her saying this but I really saw no issue with it. It made sense. You are free to do whatever you want with your location, but based on your quote and your location designation, I would assume that 99% of your friends are Chinese, you form cliques with other Chinese people and have absolutely no credibility in any of your claims regarding other races. Why? Because you, like a lot of the people my highschool people described, distance themselves from other people and only associate yourself with one kind. Obviously I'm assuming a lot of things, but I'd imagine I'm more likely right than wrong. If you actually had friends outside your racial boundaries, I'm sure your post wouldn't be so blatantly racist. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On November 07 2009 12:59 haduken wrote: Well, Allot of Chinese say the same thing about Koreans. However, It is not what I find in my observations and I interact with different races all the time. 1. Arabs will always try to push you around. 2. White people always ask which part of China you are from. (Sif they would know if I tell them) 3. Italians and Greeks will always judge you base on the label of your clothes. 4. Indians will always try to act like they are better than you until you prove them wrong, they would waste hours of your time asking stupid questions and cut in on other conversations like they own the place. I dunno, maybe they just don't have a thing called courtesy in India. 5. Asians can be classified in 4 groups, the Chinese, the South East Asians, Korean/Japanese and the bananas who aren't really asian except the skincolour. Koreans and Japanese always bow when you go near them and take all the effort to make everything conformtable for you. We don't have enough black people here for me to make a conclusion, the African refugees that you see on trains would get high and drunk and playback rap songs on their shitty cellphones. theres heaps of drunk blacks at redfern station  indians waste my time with their telemarketing about holidays and furniture ouch didnt know that about italians and greeks. i buy all my shirts for like 5 bucks each so they probably dont think too highly of me | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On November 07 2009 14:45 Masamune wrote: It wasn't a personal attack, but like you admitted, your quote was something popular written which only Chinese people understand, and despite living in Australia, you take the location area as something to reference being Chinese. I brought it up because I remember in highschool one our teachers brought up the fact that there are some stores owned by Chinese people which have Chinese letters written only or when they do have English translations of the store name, it is in small font at the bottom. Her issue was that if they want to immigrate to Canada, they should embrace where they are living and not try and distance themselves in such ways, or at least allow the majority of the populution to read what they are selling. They should have the name of their stores in English, and have Chinese letters in small font at the bottom. A lot of the asian students were mad with her saying this but I really saw no issue with it. It made sense. You are free to do whatever you want with your location, but based on your quote and your location designation, I would assume that 99% of your friends are Chinese, you form cliques with other Chinese people and have absolutely no credibility in any of your claims regarding other races. Why? Because you, like a lot of the people my highschool people described, distance themselves from other people and only associate yourself with one kind. Obviously I'm assuming a lot of things, but I'd imagine I'm more likely right than wrong. If you actually had friends outside your racial boundaries, I'm sure your post wouldn't be so blatantly racist. he can set his location to whatever he likes, he can be proud of being chinese, he can put chinese lettering on his shop if he wants to man. leave it alone? maybe you should stop making so many assumptions. id be more inclined to listen to his anyway, considering he actually lives in australia | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
get bandwagoned Uh? I just have never heard that about my 'people' if you'll call them that. Defensive much? | ||
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Sawajiri
Austria417 Posts
Korea is a very complex country in that it has both a superiority and inferiority complex, leading to a wide array of attitudes in its population. Generally, as pretty much anywhere in the world, Koreans will treat you differently based on your ethnicity, sex and Korean ability, and slightly differently again based on height and looks, and differently again based on the interests and education of the Korean person who does the judgement. Another factor to consider is the fact that few countries in the world are as fast-paced as Korea; when talking about 'Koreans', I find it necessary to clarify which age group we're talking about -- 50-something Koreans have grown up in a different country than have 20-somethings. Some of them adore foreigners, some are uncomfortable with them, some find them downright scary or detestable -- the only thing that I find they all have in common, and the one generalization that I always find to be true no matter what is that all of them, no matter where on the foreigner appreciation spectrum they fall, treat foreigners differently from how they treat fellow Koreans. When a Korean moves to America and learns English to proficiency, then before long people are going to view him/her as American. As a white person, you can have lived in Korea for decades, have a Korean wife/husband, and speak impeccable Korean, but you are always going to be a foreigner. If you're white and good-looking and functionable in Korean, there will be no shortage of Koreans eager to befriend you, but the downer will come when they inevitably ask, "So, how long are you going to be here for?" To a lot of Koreans, 'Korean' isn't a nationality -- it's a race. The government doesn't even try to hide it: foreigners with Korean blood have access to a special Korean ethnicity visa, regardless of if they speak a word of Korean or understand anything about Korean culture or not. A Korean adoptee who has grown up with white parents and watches Sex and the City and wears A&F is going to be more Korean to them than any white person with a Ph.D in Korean Studies. Being a guest in Korea has its advantages and disadvantages, but that's what you're going to be in their eyes -- a guest. Unwelcome or not. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 07 2009 14:55 JohnColtrane wrote: he can set his location to whatever he likes, he can be proud of being chinese, he can put chinese lettering on his shop if he wants to man. leave it alone? maybe you should stop making so many assumptions. id be more inclined to listen to his anyway, considering he actually lives in australia He can set it to whatever he likes, I don't care. But when you affiliate your location as being something to state who you are and when your quote is written so that only a certain group can read it, you probably associate more with people of your own group and probably don't know what your talking about when you make generalizations about other people. That's what I was getting at. Australia is similar to Canada in terms of multiculturalism, if anything, I'd argue Canada has more. The racial groups he described are not only found in Australia either, they are present here in Canada so my opinions are just as valid as his. I doubt black people act differently based on which hemisphere they live on... About the lettering with his shop, sure if you come to a country where Chinese isn't the main language and put that on your shop, but have the common courtesy to at least keep the title in that country's main language. There is nothing hard about having your business title in English and having the same title in Chinese at the bottom. If anything, you will be reaching out to more people that way. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
indigenous australians are a bit different to people of african background here he's just proud of his heritage, i think its a far stretch to say he sticks to chinese people and shuns non-chinese | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
 I made assumptions like he did, except mine are probably more right. He may not shun them, but he probably doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
i think the problem is assuming shit in the first place | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
I'm pretty sure you live in Australia too. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
I brought it up because I remember in highschool one our teachers brought up the fact that there are some stores owned by Chinese people which have Chinese letters written only or when they do have English translations of the store name, it is in small font at the bottom. Her issue was that if they want to immigrate to Canada, they should embrace where they are living and not try and distance themselves in such ways, or at least allow the majority of the populution to read what they are selling. They should have the name of their stores in English, and have Chinese letters in small font at the bottom. A lot of the asian students were mad with her saying this but I really saw no issue with it. It made sense. I don't see how this is relevant. FYI, Pauline Hanson was an Australian fish'n'chips owner who became a politician said the same thing about Asian signs. She was crucified for her view (not just about the signs). So I do know a little bit about what you are saying. You are free to do whatever you want with your location, but based on your quote and your location designation, I would assume that 99% of your friends are Chinese, you form cliques with other Chinese people and have absolutely no credibility in any of your claims regarding other races. Why? Because you, like a lot of the people my highschool people described, distance themselves from other people and only associate yourself with one kind. Obviously I'm assuming a lot of things, but I'd imagine I'm more likely right than wrong. If you actually had friends outside your racial boundaries, I'm sure your post wouldn't be so blatantly racist. I wasn't brought up in a Western country (Which explains my location) so I don't think it is outside the norm to have friends and relatives that are the same race as me. It doesn't mean that I don't interact with other groups, as a matter of fact I have to in a multicultural society. So, I don't see the merits of your arguments sorry, Indian, Chinese, Whites, Blacks, Brown all associate with people of their own race more than other groups. This is a statistical fact. So please, don't tell me to miggle with other people, I've heard enough of that line to know that it's the standard retort/response from people who don't know anything about racial relations. If we go by your standard then how can anyone be so credible on judging inter-racical relations? We can be one race and one race only. All we can really put forth is our own personal observation, don't sweat it, you don't see me posting everytime some one diss Chinese do you? (Well, I used to but that was like 5 years ago) Now that you've mentioned it, I'm sure that my previous posts appeared to be racist but how about you define racism to me? Tell me what is and when is it okay to saying something about a racial group and not come off as blatantly racist. Why is it that I can't rant about another racial group and not get blasted for what it is (A RANT), you don't see me calling Indian names do you? or did I say that I go around and punch Indians in the face because they are brown? Or can I just say that Lebanese guys go around bashing people and up to no good? Or that Indians are not very courteous and considerate when interacting with other people? Hey, maybe I am stereotyping and I'm sure not all Indians are like that but the fact remains that majority of them do because that's their way, maybe they have a different kind of politness, I will never know. Look, I don't know what ethnicity you are so I will just say this: people complain about people that are different to them, go on and label me a racist, how appriopriate is it to do so in a thread about racism. Or maybe you should see the fact that everyone is a little bit racist and not retort with political correctness everytime something happens. Which way is better? pretend that everything is okay and force people to have this utopian idea of inter-racial harmony or let people rant and work issues out? you tell me. | ||
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