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white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
November 30 2009 21:57 GMT
#1201
Just to clarify, I never said Toni is not a good player. I am saying game per goal ratio is a skewed statistics. I will jump back into my hole now.
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 22:56:10
November 30 2009 22:53 GMT
#1202
hm.....but if somebody has the game/goal ratio Toni has, you cannot deny that he is a fucking scoring beast....
if you try to measure a goalkeeper with this statistic ther might, maybe something wrong O_o

edit: wiki says toni has 56 games - 38 goals that's 0.67 goals/game
fucking shit...look at his stats since playing for palermo, now I am impressed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Toni
not many players can come up with such statistics
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 30 2009 22:57 GMT
#1203
found this

http://forums.goal.com/goal/board/message?board.id=general_soccer_discussion_en&thread.id=184135

white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 23:05:36
November 30 2009 23:03 GMT
#1204
lol, please don't tempt me to respond!!!!

edit: shit you got me.... as with any statistic, it is rigid and it becomes hard to compare. one obviously flaw I can immediately think of now is this substitution thing. So maybe they should now put a goal per 90minute as an extra indication.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 30 2009 23:30 GMT
#1205
hmm, is that list a ranking of the best goal to game ratios in football or just a list of the ratios of the most popular footballers?
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 00:14:37
December 01 2009 00:13 GMT
#1206
list of most popular footballers? and? your point is? doesn't hide the obvious fact that it is still rigid and doesn't account for many things.

fuck, I swear I will stay in my little shelter this time.
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
December 01 2009 00:17 GMT
#1207
Hmm, I always thought Shevchenko had a better record. Ah well, he was still a brilliant player.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 11:35 GMT
#1208
Messi won Ballon d'Or. Didn't see that one coming.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
December 01 2009 12:08 GMT
#1209
On December 01 2009 05:24 kidd wrote:
Speaking of the which C Ronaldo had a very unimpressive game in total in el clasico. I think he even knew it as he was subbed off with like 30 minutes to go in the game.


The dutch doctor leading his treatment suggested that (no more than 60 minutes to protect his ankle)

Ballon d'Or is a joke. Finishers are overrated and playmakers underrated
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
snarl
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada812 Posts
December 01 2009 12:41 GMT
#1210
by your tone i'm guessing you think iniesta/xavi should have won instead?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 01 2009 12:43 GMT
#1211
a joke ? I doubt..

For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately but... messi deserves it.. T_T
hatred outlives the hateful
party
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany76 Posts
December 01 2009 13:48 GMT
#1212
On December 01 2009 21:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately


this has been stated so many times that it can not possibly be true anymore. also they got 3rd and 4th place.
all the time
ohoh~troubles
Profile Joined July 2006
Korea (South)70 Posts
December 01 2009 14:07 GMT
#1213
On December 01 2009 07:53 Sadir wrote:
hm.....but if somebody has the game/goal ratio Toni has, you cannot deny that he is a fucking scoring beast....
if you try to measure a goalkeeper with this statistic ther might, maybe something wrong O_o

edit: wiki says toni has 56 games - 38 goals that's 0.67 goals/game
fucking shit...look at his stats since playing for palermo, now I am impressed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Toni
not many players can come up with such statistics



Look at Mario Jardel in Sporting CP or Porto or Galatasaray ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Jardel#Porto )

in Porto: 169 Appearences, 166 Goals :O
in Sporting CP: 62 Appearences, 67 Goals :O
in Galatasaray: 43 Apps, 34 Goals :O

then drugs killed his carreer
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
December 01 2009 14:34 GMT
#1214
rofl his 96-2002 period is absolutely ridiculous
not the greatest leagues though ;p
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BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 01 2009 14:53 GMT
#1215
yeah but it's a good record no matter which league you play in.
you play in a league that matches your skill level.if you're better you move to a better league.but if you're bad then you're sold to a lower level league.simple.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 15:17 GMT
#1216
I would've loved to see what Jardel could've done in one of the big leagues during his prime. Do note that he raped faces in Champions League (top goalscorer 2 years in row if I remember correctly). Jardel was a great goalscorer, no doubt.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 15:59:42
December 01 2009 15:58 GMT
#1217
On December 01 2009 21:41 snarl wrote:
by your tone i'm guessing you think iniesta/xavi should have won instead?

On December 01 2009 21:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
a joke ? I doubt..
For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately but... messi deserves it.. T_T

On December 01 2009 22:48 party wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 21:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately


this has been stated so many times that it can not possibly be true anymore. also they got 3rd and 4th place.


Well, it's easy math. We have a 2008-2009 Club dominator FC Barcelona, and a National Team dominator Spain. Let's find the intersection of both and we'll get the key.

Xavi is the playmaker of both, with a 95% pass ratio, big assist figures and some key goals in CL and Euro and on the other hand we have Messi, a dribbler scorer that BY CHANCE only shines when Xavi is on his side of the field.

Xavi assisted Torres for the 1-0 vs Germany. Xavi assisted Messi for the 2-0 vs ManU (Iniesta assisted Eto'o for the 1-0 and scored the 1-1 at London). What's Messi relevance in this key moments? Does Messi shine without Xavi at Argentina's NT?

Being biased was never so easy
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 16:13 GMT
#1218
Defenders/Goalkeepers are generally underrated. That is why Cannavaro's Ballon d'Or is the most epic ever.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
uberMatt
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada659 Posts
December 01 2009 16:18 GMT
#1219
On December 02 2009 00:58 Telemako wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 21:41 snarl wrote:
by your tone i'm guessing you think iniesta/xavi should have won instead?

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 21:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
a joke ? I doubt..
For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately but... messi deserves it.. T_T

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 22:48 party wrote:
On December 01 2009 21:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
For sure Xavi and iniesta are always overlooked unfortuneately


this has been stated so many times that it can not possibly be true anymore. also they got 3rd and 4th place.


Well, it's easy math. We have a 2008-2009 Club dominator FC Barcelona, and a National Team dominator Spain. Let's find the intersection of both and we'll get the key.

Xavi is the playmaker of both, with a 95% pass ratio, big assist figures and some key goals in CL and Euro and on the other hand we have Messi, a dribbler scorer that BY CHANCE only shines when Xavi is on his side of the field.

Xavi assisted Torres for the 1-0 vs Germany. Xavi assisted Messi for the 2-0 vs ManU (Iniesta assisted Eto'o for the 1-0 and scored the 1-1 at London). What's Messi relevance in this key moments? Does Messi shine without Xavi at Argentina's NT?

Being biased was never so easy


hes saying that everyone calls them underrated all the time so they cant possibly be underrated anymore, no need for the pretentious paragraph
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
December 01 2009 16:22 GMT
#1220
On December 01 2009 23:07 ohoh~troubles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 07:53 Sadir wrote:
hm.....but if somebody has the game/goal ratio Toni has, you cannot deny that he is a fucking scoring beast....
if you try to measure a goalkeeper with this statistic ther might, maybe something wrong O_o

edit: wiki says toni has 56 games - 38 goals that's 0.67 goals/game
fucking shit...look at his stats since playing for palermo, now I am impressed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Toni
not many players can come up with such statistics



Look at Mario Jardel in Sporting CP or Porto or Galatasaray ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Jardel#Porto )

in Porto: 169 Appearences, 166 Goals :O
in Sporting CP: 62 Appearences, 67 Goals :O
in Galatasaray: 43 Apps, 34 Goals :O

then drugs killed his carreer


Jardel was fucking great. His best times were when he was in Gremio imo (because thats my team :p, ok Porto was his best times... :/). I looked on wikipedia for his stats and found out it was not updated and english version differs from the portuguese one. Anyway, i believe this stats are right: Gremio 73 appearances, 67 goals.

Just to say, when he played together with Paulo Nunes they were killers, thanks to them Gremio won the Copa Libertadores in 1995.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
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