EPT2009-2010 football (soccer) thread - Page 60
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 30 2009 07:55 zulu_nation8 wrote: Well besides Bayern, the teams who have had success in the past couple of years have been dortmund, leverkusen, werder bremen, stuttgart, and wolfsburg. None of them have shown consistency, spent money or kept their star players. Bayern also hasn't done well in Europe in quite awhile. oh yeah cause Ro8 in the CL last season isn't a good result? | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
CL quarter-finals is nothing spectacular. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:32 bObaZ wrote: for a team with the anbitions that bayern should have it isn't Yeah well, but at least they are the only top team that makes profits every year instead of more and more loans. | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 01 2009 00:11 white_box921 wrote: I always think that this goal/game ratio shit is a rubbish indication of a players ability. There should be some better statistic that take into account who the goal was scored against and under what circumstances. Surely 3 goals can be totally different if it is the last match of the league or it is a CL final. Some column of W/L would be a nice addition to what we currently have. It's not a bad indication at all when someone is that consistent with goalscoring. Look, you don't score over 100 league goals in 5 seasons (which Luca Toni has done the last 5 seasons) if you're not a really good goalscorer. Fact. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
Either way, consistenly scoring more than 20 goals per season in one of the top 5 leagues does mean you are good at scoring goals. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
edit: I agree that > 20 a season means you are good at scoring goals, but what is the point if you keep scoring and your team keep losing. It is about overall contribution. One can put the argument in that if the team is leaking goal it is not the strikers fault, well, I think that is bullshit because defence starts from the striker. | ||
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party
Germany76 Posts
On November 30 2009 07:13 warding wrote: Why isn't the Bundesliga better than it is? Germany's a rich country of 80 million people, they fill their stadiums, 10 of them have over 50k seats. The national team has a huge history in World Cups and European Cups. They have a lot of smaller neighboring countries that could feed the league with talent and foreign fans. What are the explanations for the Bundesliga being below the spanish, english and italian leagues in popularity? i don't agree completely with your statement of the bundesliga being below the other leagues in popularity. for instance looking at the average number of visitors at the games of this season we get these numbers (taken from weltfussball.de): bundesliga 42.283 premier league 33.545 primera division 27.676 seria a 23.627 so it seems, that watching a bundesliga game in germany is more popular than watching the premier league in england, etc. of course this is just a very superficial look on things since ticketprices, tv/internet viewers and many other things are not considered (too lazy^^) but for me the live experience of a game is probably the most important part of football (well after playing yourself of course). on an international level you are most definitely correct though. at least spanish and english league football get a lot more attention (evidence all over this thread). whether seria a or bundesliga football is better/more popular is in my opinion debatable. while italian teams have still performed a little better on the international stage over the last years german teams have caught up and might pass them in the uefa 5 year ranking soon (which would give the bundesliga a 4th championsleague spot). so why are the spanish and english league so far ahead? in short: the bundesliga teams don't have as many stars, thous don't win as many titles, don't get as much press/attention. the reasons for that are many and complicated, so just a short list (not fact-checked, many points apply to seria a as well): financial control is way stricter on the clubs in germany taxes for player salaries are higher not as much money from tv/other media contract (due partly to lower popularity and the laws in germany keeping football from disappearing into pay tv) german law to keep investors from buying a club (sth like chelsea would be not allowed, it is possible though to work around these laws, e.g. hoffenheim, leverkusen, wolfsburg) so like you said, most german teams have to buy players from smaller leagues, only bayern can sometimes afford to battle with the big clubs over players. even though i really hope german teams can win more international glory during the next years i like the state of the bundesliga right now very much. bayern seems to be losing its dominance which makes the league more exciting and performances by bremen and hamburg last season show that international trophies are within reach. | ||
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party
Germany76 Posts
On December 01 2009 00:49 Liquid`Drone wrote: But some strikers are pure goalscorers, toni, klose, van nistelrooj for example sorry, but this is not true. i agree with the rest of the post though^^ | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 01 2009 00:51 white_box921 wrote: ok... so wayne rooney fails massively then. I guess you can argue he is not a goalscorer. wait... owen never scored more than 20 league goal a season in his life, i guess english just suck then. oh... and drogba isn't the smartest kid on the block with only 1 season with 20 and as a matter of Fact, Torres never scored 20 as well before his move to liverpool, and yea, that kid cost a few quid and he was already the golden boy and captain. edit: I agree that > 20 a season means you are good at scoring goals, but what is the point if you keep scoring and your team keep losing. It is about overall contribution. One can put the argument in that if the team is leaking goal it is not the strikers fault, well, I think that is bullshit because defence starts from the striker. As Drone said, some players can not be judged based solely on goalscoring. Rooney is a player who contributes with a lot more than just scoring goals. And wtf, there is no line set at exactly 20 goals, Owen has scored 18 goals twice and 19 goals twice. He's a good goalscorer without a doubt. And Toni's teams has not kept losing; with Palermo he reached the UEFA cup, something the club had never ever done before (he scored 20 goals that season). With Fiorentina he reached a CL spot, which is very good by their standards (the season when he scored his incredible 31 league goals). With Bayern he won the league (with Toni as top goalscorer) and reached the semi-finals in the UEFA Cup (with Toni as top scorer). With Italy he won the World Cup. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
– Andres Iniesta not impressed by Cristiano Ronaldo's pleas for fairness during El Clasico | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On December 01 2009 05:15 mAKiTO wrote: “He told me to stop diving, and I told him to shut up because he is not the most qualified person to speak on the subject” – Andres Iniesta not impressed by Cristiano Ronaldo's pleas for fairness during El Clasico Speaking of the which C Ronaldo had a very unimpressive game in total in el clasico. I think he even knew it as he was subbed off with like 30 minutes to go in the game. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 01 2009 05:15 mAKiTO wrote: “He told me to stop diving, and I told him to shut up because he is not the most qualified person to speak on the subject” – Andres Iniesta not impressed by Cristiano Ronaldo's pleas for fairness during El Clasico 100% true. | ||
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