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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
On December 02 2009 01:18 uberMatt wrote: hes saying that everyone calls them underrated all the time so they cant possibly be underrated anymore, no need for the pretentious paragraph I wasn't being pretentious, just making my point to the people against it | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 02 2009 01:13 Holgerius wrote: Defenders/Goalkeepers are generally underrated. That is why Cannavaro's Ballon d'Or is the most epic ever.  the most undeserved .. u meant obviously.. your love to italian league and players knows no boundaries.. ^^ | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 02 2009 02:55 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the most undeserved .. u meant obviously.. your love to italian league and players knows no boundaries.. ^^ Surely you are just trolling now? Right? | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I wont discuss this now.. but he was only good for a short time frame. I know thats no reason to not elect him for the the Ballon D'Or.. still I just dont agree at all with you that its the most epic ever.. If anything Id say Zidane & C.Ronaldo deserved it the most when they got it because zidane was just the esscence of beauty on the pitch and CRonlado was just so fast and so brillant he couldnt really be compared.. But I dont even want to argue.. ^^ Actually u arent from sweden but italy, are u ? | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
On December 02 2009 03:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Not really.. Cannavaro was defending nicely okey.. thats it. I wont discuss this now.. but he was only good for a short time frame. I know thats no reason to not elect him for the the Ballon D'Or.. still I just dont agree at all with you that its the most epic ever.. If anything Id say Zidane & C.Ronaldo deserved it the most when they got it because zidane was just the esscence of beauty on the pitch and CRonlado was just so fast and so brillant he couldnt really be compared.. But I dont even want to argue.. ^^ Actually u arent from sweden but italy, are u ? C. Ronaldo getting the ballon would have been a fucking joke in 2006 - honestly his performance at WC was disappointing Canavaro DID deserve it (maybe not as much as zizou but w/e, I m pretty biased on this subject) | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
If you don't want to watch the entire video, I urge you to watch what he does around 3:55-4:02. That is the second biggest stage in the football world (the biggest being the WC final), it's overtime and only minutes to go... look at the determination in that run. OMG. Oh, man! Fucking perfection! I can watch those few seconds on repeat forever, it's just incredible! Even though you're german and probably bitter about that loss, surely you can see the defensive artistry in that. It's fucking orgasmic. Lol at youtube comments: ''The world remembers the unfair cheating of the italian faggot crybabies, i guess. Except the italian media of course -.- '' XD German fan being bitter as hell because they were outplayed by Italy. | ||
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UbRi
Italy603 Posts
Many of you thinks that Cannavaro balon d'or was the most undeserved, because of course they would've liked more Zidane or Henry maybe winning it, as an Italian I also like to see them play more than I like see Cannavaro play so i can imagine your point, but if you merely consider how well he played during the World Cup (Italy didn't get a single goal scored by the opposite team and not on a penalty, they've just been scored a ridicolous own goal against USA and a penalty in the final against France), and how well he played the previous season that Juventus won (no matter what calciopoli says), then you would have no doubt he was the most worthy player that year | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
but ill just drop it ^^ | ||
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UbRi
Italy603 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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party
Germany76 Posts
On December 02 2009 02:21 Telemako wrote: I wasn't being pretentious, just making my point to the people against it just to be clear i would have been perfectly fine with xavi or iniesta getting first place especially with the trophies their teams won this season (kinda similar to when sammer got it, another defensive player who won). but to say messi winning is a joke is not fair at all cause he is just insanely good. i simply don't think you can call them underrated anymore when they rank 3rd and 4th, and even the most clueless people (german sportcasters) have picked up on their skills and impact on the game quite a while ago. cannavaro only got it in 2006 because zidane couldn't compose himself but not even i, who dislikes italian footballers as much as any decent, non italian person (yep it still stings  ), would say it was undeserved. he played a great season and was the head of the italian defence that won italy the cup. no offensive player outshined him, so case closed. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
also to be noted is that after the WC, cannavaro went to madrid and promptly proceeded to play like ass. to be fair though, that entire defensive unit blew huge balls (with the exception of casillas, who for many games single-handedly carried that defense). he's been playing extremely well lately since his recent transfer back to juventus though, so i'm happy for him. definitely one of my favorite defenders, not because of flashy play, but because of fundamental soundness. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
And yeah; Kahn 2002 was fucking majestic. God, all this talk about the WC makes me all excited. I can't wait until next summer. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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party
Germany76 Posts
On December 02 2009 06:06 Holgerius wrote: And yeah; Kahn 2002 was fucking majestic. God, all this talk about the WC makes me all excited. I can't wait until next summer. maybe if germany had won the cup kahn would have placed first (he got 3rd in 2001 and 2002) also i read totti is thinking about returning to the national team for the world cup, somehow made me think of you^^ | ||
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