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Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
December 01 2009 17:21 GMT
#1221
On December 02 2009 01:18 uberMatt wrote:
hes saying that everyone calls them underrated all the time so they cant possibly be underrated anymore, no need for the pretentious paragraph


I wasn't being pretentious, just making my point to the people against it
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 01 2009 17:55 GMT
#1222
On December 02 2009 01:13 Holgerius wrote:
Defenders/Goalkeepers are generally underrated. That is why Cannavaro's Ballon d'Or is the most epic ever.


the most undeserved .. u meant obviously..

your love to italian league and players knows no boundaries.. ^^
hatred outlives the hateful
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 18:18 GMT
#1223
On December 02 2009 02:55 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 01:13 Holgerius wrote:
Defenders/Goalkeepers are generally underrated. That is why Cannavaro's Ballon d'Or is the most epic ever.


the most undeserved .. u meant obviously..

your love to italian league and players knows no boundaries.. ^^

Surely you are just trolling now? Right?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 18:38:21
December 01 2009 18:35 GMT
#1224
Not really.. Cannavaro was defending nicely okey.. thats it.
I wont discuss this now.. but he was only good for a short time frame. I know thats no reason to not elect him for the the Ballon D'Or.. still I just dont agree at all with you that its the most epic ever..

If anything Id say Zidane & C.Ronaldo deserved it the most when they got it because zidane was just the esscence of beauty on the pitch and CRonlado was just so fast and so brillant he couldnt really be compared..

But I dont even want to argue.. ^^

Actually u arent from sweden but italy, are u ?
hatred outlives the hateful
Mascherano
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Argentina1726 Posts
December 01 2009 19:08 GMT
#1225
Messi wins Ballon d'Or

1 Lionel Messi Argentina Barcelona 473
2 Cristiano Ronaldo Portugal Real Madrid 233
3 Xavi Hernández España Barcelona 170
4 Iniesta España Barcelona 149
5 Samuel Eto'o Camerún Inter Milán 75
6 Kaká Brasil Real Madrid 58
7 Zlatan Ibrahimovic Suecia Barcelona 50
8 Wayne Rooney Inglaterra Manchester Un. 35
9 Didier Drogba Costa Marfil Chelsea 33
10 Steven Gerrard Inglaterra Liverpool 32
11 Fernando Torres España Liverpool 22
12 Cesc Fabregas España Arsenal 13
13 Edin Dzeko Bosnia Wolfsburg 12
14 Ryan Giggs Gales Manchester Unt. 11
15 Thierry Henry Francia Barcelona 9
16 Iker Casillas España Real Madrid 8
17 Luis Fabiano Brasil Sevilla
18 Nemanja Vidic Serbia Manchester Un.
19 Diego Forlan Uruguay Atlético Madrid 7
20 Yoann Gourcuff Francia Burdeos 6

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Bisu
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
December 01 2009 19:17 GMT
#1226
On December 02 2009 03:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Not really.. Cannavaro was defending nicely okey.. thats it.
I wont discuss this now.. but he was only good for a short time frame. I know thats no reason to not elect him for the the Ballon D'Or.. still I just dont agree at all with you that its the most epic ever..

If anything Id say Zidane & C.Ronaldo deserved it the most when they got it because zidane was just the esscence of beauty on the pitch and CRonlado was just so fast and so brillant he couldnt really be compared..

But I dont even want to argue.. ^^

Actually u arent from sweden but italy, are u ?



C. Ronaldo getting the ballon would have been a fucking joke in 2006 - honestly his performance at WC was disappointing

Canavaro DID deserve it (maybe not as much as zizou but w/e, I m pretty biased on this subject)
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 19:28:54
December 01 2009 19:22 GMT
#1227
Lol, ''defending nicely'' is the understatement of the year. Did you watch the same tournament as I did? He was insane during that World Cup! Seriously, his performance was like the defensive equivalent to Maradona's World Cup 86. No team in the world could've scored a single open play goal on Italy with Cannavaro in that form, it was literally impossible. The fact that he was dominant during the entire season with Juve doesn't even matter; that tournament alone was more than enough to earn him the award.

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If you don't want to watch the entire video, I urge you to watch what he does around 3:55-4:02. That is the second biggest stage in the football world (the biggest being the WC final), it's overtime and only minutes to go... look at the determination in that run. OMG. Oh, man! Fucking perfection! I can watch those few seconds on repeat forever, it's just incredible! Even though you're german and probably bitter about that loss, surely you can see the defensive artistry in that. It's fucking orgasmic.

Lol at youtube comments:

''The world remembers the unfair cheating of the italian faggot crybabies, i guess. Except the italian media of course -.- ''

XD German fan being bitter as hell because they were outplayed by Italy.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
December 01 2009 19:28 GMT
#1228
That's exactly why balon d'or never goes to defenders and midfielders, see?
Many of you thinks that Cannavaro balon d'or was the most undeserved, because of course they would've liked more Zidane or Henry maybe winning it, as an Italian I also like to see them play more than I like see Cannavaro play so i can imagine your point, but if you merely consider how well he played during the World Cup (Italy didn't get a single goal scored by the opposite team and not on a penalty, they've just been scored a ridicolous own goal against USA and a penalty in the final against France), and how well he played the previous season that Juventus won (no matter what calciopoli says), then you would have no doubt he was the most worthy player that year
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 01 2009 19:51 GMT
#1229
yes but saying he is the most epic ever is rubbish.. Especially since players like Messi, Iniesta, Cronaldo, Henry, Zidane did so much on their own especially a defender is so dependent on his keeper and 3 team mates defending with him.. ec.t.

but ill just drop it ^^
hatred outlives the hateful
UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
December 01 2009 19:57 GMT
#1230
of course it wasn't the most epic^^ last year it was much easier to find the winner, after the stunning season that C.Ronaldo had, and also this year well it had to be Messi
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 20:00 GMT
#1231
In my opinion it was very epic simply because of the fact that defenders and goalkeepers never win individual awards like that, yet Cannavaro was just so uniquely good that it didn't matter and he won it anyway.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
party
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany76 Posts
December 01 2009 20:08 GMT
#1232
On December 02 2009 02:21 Telemako wrote:
I wasn't being pretentious, just making my point to the people against it


just to be clear i would have been perfectly fine with xavi or iniesta getting first place especially with the trophies their teams won this season (kinda similar to when sammer got it, another defensive player who won). but to say messi winning is a joke is not fair at all cause he is just insanely good.

i simply don't think you can call them underrated anymore when they rank 3rd and 4th, and even the most clueless people (german sportcasters) have picked up on their skills and impact on the game quite a while ago.

cannavaro only got it in 2006 because zidane couldn't compose himself but not even i, who dislikes italian footballers as much as any decent, non italian person (yep it still stings ), would say it was undeserved. he played a great season and was the head of the italian defence that won italy the cup. no offensive player outshined him, so case closed.
all the time
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 01 2009 20:10 GMT
#1233
I think when there is a world cup, the ballon d'or of that year usually goes to someone who performed well in the tournament and more often than not, on the winning side. In that case I think it's fair for Cannavaro to get it based on his from in the world cup alone, Buffon also played well but hes a GK.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 01 2009 20:32 GMT
#1234
Fuck yeah, I just got FIFA 10! Time to go smash some PL teams to pieces with Roma.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
December 01 2009 20:34 GMT
#1235
cannavaro played absolutely godlike at that WC tournament in '06, it is of course one of the most unique "best player" awards that has been given out, at least when he won (another notable one is when oliver kahn played silly good at the '02 WC and won the golden ball for that tournament). if zidane hadn't had that headbutt in the final i think he very well could have swept every award that year.

also to be noted is that after the WC, cannavaro went to madrid and promptly proceeded to play like ass. to be fair though, that entire defensive unit blew huge balls (with the exception of casillas, who for many games single-handedly carried that defense). he's been playing extremely well lately since his recent transfer back to juventus though, so i'm happy for him. definitely one of my favorite defenders, not because of flashy play, but because of fundamental soundness.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 01 2009 20:42 GMT
#1236
do u see what u are saying here ? And thats exactly what i meant. Messi would be awesome in every team. Canavarro was bad ad Madrid not only because he sucked but because madrids whole defense sucked. He was so amazing with Italy not because he's some god but also due to the fact that italys defense is godly..

hatred outlives the hateful
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 01 2009 20:48 GMT
#1237
a backup man united side is raping a full strength tottenham side lol...
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 21:09:37
December 01 2009 21:06 GMT
#1238
In that tournament Cannavaro really was god in the shape of a central defender. Seriously, go watch the games again; his partner (Materazzi) was a clown who was sent off, conceded a penalty and simply played sloppy defence throughout the tournament. It didn't matter, because Cannavaro was always there to save his ass and make a clutch tackle. Cannavaro's individual performance really was something special. Truly the defensive equivalent to Maradona's tournament 86.

And yeah; Kahn 2002 was fucking majestic.

God, all this talk about the WC makes me all excited. I can't wait until next summer.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 01 2009 21:16 GMT
#1239
maldini deserved a balon d'or
party
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany76 Posts
December 01 2009 21:22 GMT
#1240
On December 02 2009 06:06 Holgerius wrote:
And yeah; Kahn 2002 was fucking majestic.

God, all this talk about the WC makes me all excited. I can't wait until next summer.


maybe if germany had won the cup kahn would have placed first (he got 3rd in 2001 and 2002)

also i read totti is thinking about returning to the national team for the world cup, somehow made me think of you^^
all the time
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