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Syi
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 01:16:23
December 22 2011 01:15 GMT
#2701


New video i released for people who are wondering whether to purchase SWTOR. BTW its AMAZING! definatly a worth buy!
My blood for Aiur!
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
December 22 2011 01:25 GMT
#2702
On December 22 2011 09:00 Capped wrote:
The huttball pvp is kinda weird - i do absolutely LOVE the idea. Its hit and miss being played with randoms tbh, good teamwork is really needed for it, and i can see some interesting scenarios coming out of it

Only other pvp i played was the CTB with 3 points - loved flying in on the speeder and having the "main" point in the middle. Trolling them by going stealth -> force smash the ground to interupt them all capping hahaha.

I agree the real test is in how they can keep us all hooked, i will for sure play through at the very least 4 characters. (2 empire/republic 1 jedi and gunner.) for the storylines, probably 8 but i havent seen how long the class quests are yet and if they truely make the experience different enough to play it through 4 times without stagnating.

Although in honestly in the short time ive played it (one flashpoint and two pvp modes) i am having soooo much fun (not going into the solo story side of things.) and i would happily play them all day. Black talon (the first flashpoint) was an exciting storyline put at such a good moment, you just made it off your starting planet to the fleet and then thrust into a space battle on your way to another planet. epic. ^^


Yea I really like the 2 other arenas but not such a huge fan of hutball. Too much of a clusterfuck for a pug to handle and it drags on too long imo when one team usually dominates. I think if they put in ability to chose BG's hutball would be a graveyard. But otherwise Ive enjoyed the pvp so far more so than WoW's BG's which are usually zerg fests.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 03:13:35
December 22 2011 01:51 GMT
#2703
Going Merc Bounty Hunter, what Professions should I go? Armstech/Underworld Trading/Scavenging right?

edit: Apparently yes!
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
December 22 2011 03:56 GMT
#2704
On December 22 2011 09:54 Adila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 09:51 Firebolt145 wrote:
I'm not the best at WoW, but I primarily play for arena and competitive aspect of pvp. I find Wargames and the combat a lot of fun. The problems don't lie with those, but with the game engine. By engine I refer to the difficulty targeting people, the buff/debuff monitoring, lack of anything showing who your target is targeting, lack of macros/focus cast key/self cast key.


Is the game supporting mods yet? Those features weren't in WoW at the start either, I think.

That said, it is no excuse for this game not to have it yet.


WoW allowed everything from the start. And then scaled back & blocked mods / functionality (i.e. guildchat - irc communication).
SWTOR is blocking everything and will allow stuff over time.
It's basically two different approaches - both are valid. You can probably expect skinning (ui scaling) support very soon. And maybe some very basic new features (tot, self cast).
I personally doubt it will ever have such mod support like WoW does (and that's not necessary).

On December 22 2011 09:51 Firebolt145 wrote:
I'm not the best at WoW, but I primarily play for arena and competitive aspect of pvp. I find Wargames and the combat a lot of fun. The problems don't lie with those, but with the game engine. By engine I refer to the difficulty targeting people, the buff/debuff monitoring, lack of anything showing who your target is targeting, lack of macros/focus cast key/self cast key.


Different people - different opinions. I agree with the buff/debuff monitoring (but maybe that will change with more experience) and lack of self casting. And I personally dont have problems with targeting. Target of Target also doesnt bother me - I use the assist key to find that out.
I also dislike the idea of macros / focus cast keys.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#2705
Self casting is more for PvP healers. It does not hurt to have it implemented, but it seems like a step backwards to NOT have it implemented.

Have you tried trying to target a single person in the middle of a 5-10 person mob in PvP while you are moving yourself? I can only imagine you haven't if you think the targeting is currently up to par.

Target of target doesn't bother you much if you're a dps or a healer. What if you're a tank? You won't be able to immediately react when someone else grabs aggro because you won't know who the boss is targeting. This is even more important in PvP. Is that person about to CC you or someone else?

What is your reasoning for disliking macros and focus cast keys?

And do you have a source regarding addons in SWTOR? I have not come across any official statements about this and would be extremely glad if they were implementing them, even if in a heavily controlled manner.
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Zodiac7777
Profile Joined November 2010
81 Posts
December 22 2011 04:41 GMT
#2706
For all the people that say you need self casting, use your starcraft APM and just press F1 then the heal.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 22 2011 04:47 GMT
#2707
yes, pressing F1 isnt too bad once its imprinted in your brain, i did this in EQ2 too where pve is(was) much more difficult.

i much dislike only 2 bars on the bottom and no display of my tactical advatage points plus my stim buff except for the overloaded buff bar.
CompelReese
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11 Posts
December 22 2011 04:53 GMT
#2708
does anyone with similar system specs play the game, and if so how is the fps?

cpu: core 2 quad q9300 @ 2.5
gpu: gtx 550 tti 1gb
mem: 800mhz 3gb ddr2
mobo: nvidia nforce 780i
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 05:01:00
December 22 2011 04:59 GMT
#2709
On December 22 2011 13:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
Self casting is more for PvP healers. It does not hurt to have it implemented, but it seems like a step backwards to NOT have it implemented.

Have you tried trying to target a single person in the middle of a 5-10 person mob in PvP while you are moving yourself? I can only imagine you haven't if you think the targeting is currently up to par.

Target of target doesn't bother you much if you're a dps or a healer. What if you're a tank? You won't be able to immediately react when someone else grabs aggro because you won't know who the boss is targeting. This is even more important in PvP. Is that person about to CC you or someone else?

What is your reasoning for disliking macros and focus cast keys?

And do you have a source regarding addons in SWTOR? I have not come across any official statements about this and would be extremely glad if they were implementing them, even if in a heavily controlled manner.


I dont have a source regarding the addons. Just my guess based on the current lack of any customization (no skinning & scaling) and the lack of a combat log. Those are very easy to implement but they havent done so yet - so they're probably not very far in that development (you need an event log to programm addons which follow logic; skinning is - well just a different skin - therefore I seperate them).

Your imagination is wrong
ToT Tank: Does it matter who the boss is targeting? Or isnt "anyone but you" not enough? And if you have an ability for your target - hit your assist key and then your ability.
ToT PvP: Depends - of course it's useful. But if your other suggestions (focus target modifiers, ...) are implemented your enemy can circumvent it. He switches his target after starting a cast and it will still complete on the initial target (I just tested this with a channel, dont know if it works with a normal cast in SWTOR).

And that's basically my problem with macros. Too many options to "trick" the system. Target macros for things with static names, hell even opponent names (of well known opponents). Automatically target something different after you start the cast (if you complete the cast on the initial target). No situational awareness / target requirement when you just watch your focus target's castbar and when you see a CC on specific ToT X you just press one key and this does everything else for you.
Using one keypress to fire multiple actions (gcd independent). Priority systems based upon the order in which you write your macros.
Stuff like /castsequence ...
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
December 22 2011 05:27 GMT
#2710
On December 22 2011 13:59 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 13:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
Self casting is more for PvP healers. It does not hurt to have it implemented, but it seems like a step backwards to NOT have it implemented.

Have you tried trying to target a single person in the middle of a 5-10 person mob in PvP while you are moving yourself? I can only imagine you haven't if you think the targeting is currently up to par.

Target of target doesn't bother you much if you're a dps or a healer. What if you're a tank? You won't be able to immediately react when someone else grabs aggro because you won't know who the boss is targeting. This is even more important in PvP. Is that person about to CC you or someone else?

What is your reasoning for disliking macros and focus cast keys?

And do you have a source regarding addons in SWTOR? I have not come across any official statements about this and would be extremely glad if they were implementing them, even if in a heavily controlled manner.


I dont have a source regarding the addons. Just my guess based on the current lack of any customization (no skinning & scaling) and the lack of a combat log. Those are very easy to implement but they havent done so yet - so they're probably not very far in that development (you need an event log to programm addons which follow logic; skinning is - well just a different skin - therefore I seperate them).

Your imagination is wrong
ToT Tank: Does it matter who the boss is targeting? Or isnt "anyone but you" not enough? And if you have an ability for your target - hit your assist key and then your ability.
ToT PvP: Depends - of course it's useful. But if your other suggestions (focus target modifiers, ...) are implemented your enemy can circumvent it. He switches his target after starting a cast and it will still complete on the initial target (I just tested this with a channel, dont know if it works with a normal cast in SWTOR).

And that's basically my problem with macros. Too many options to "trick" the system. Target macros for things with static names, hell even opponent names (of well known opponents). Automatically target something different after you start the cast (if you complete the cast on the initial target). No situational awareness / target requirement when you just watch your focus target's castbar and when you see a CC on specific ToT X you just press one key and this does everything else for you.
Using one keypress to fire multiple actions (gcd independent). Priority systems based upon the order in which you write your macros.
Stuff like /castsequence ...

Exactly the reason I'm also against a lot of it, my most recent experience with macros was with Rift and there you could make a macro and fit your entire rotation into one key and no real downsides to it.
When it comes to addons, well, look at Deadly Boss Mods in WoW or Gearscore, that's shit that comes up if you let people freely create addons.

I just hope Bioware focuses on popular requests themselves instead, things like a damagemeter, UI scaling, targets target (or even one extra target on here), being able to reposition the UI, improve the auction house and mail, better and more customizable raid frames.
Not like they technically shouldn't be able to do this themselves without too much effort.
Sogarn
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
December 22 2011 05:44 GMT
#2711
When it comes to macros, the only thing that should be implemented is a mouseover target function. Anything else is just a plus.

I.E. in WoW, all of my healing spells have the macro "/cast [target=mouseover, exists] Healing Spell; Healing Spell" that lets me heal whatever my current mouseover target is, and if I have no mouseover target it heals my current target. Would just be a quality of life improvement.
Wildsound
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom144 Posts
December 22 2011 06:37 GMT
#2712
I played the game during a beta weekend. I had early game access from the 17th. I was so excited, with all the pre-release footage and clips, that a star wars game like this was coming. Where other mmo's had tried and failed to knock WoW off the top spot, this one had the anticipation to succeed.

At first I was reeled in by great storyline, the voice acting and the choices in conversation (level 33 bounty hunter). However, the more time I keep putting into this game, the more I get frustrated by what I see (and don't see) in the game.

There are so many bugs here and there that it really does start to get annoying. I didn't experience this particular problem, but my friend had a quest pending bug and was literally unable to do anything for about 24 hours until the bug got patched yesterday morning. I feel it's only a matter of time before I come across something like that.

After a while, the story mode options got a bit predictable. The side quests I am starting to find rather unfulfilling, and suddenly things are starting to feel like a grind, and if not, then boring.

At first I was keen to explore the new PvP arenas and flash points. But after doing several, the inconvenience of not being able to have a customisable UI comes into play, as well as what appears to be some huge balance issues amongst classes (which I expect to be changed no doubt at some point)

Whilst there are many things and ideas in the game that are highly enjoyable and convenient (having your companions sell the trash, they do the crafting so you don't have to, the space battle mini games etc...) I feel there are too many underlying problems and issues that need to be dealt with that shouldn't need to have been dealt with in the first place. Tried and tested stuff from other mmo's (yes. A lot draws back on wow and it's 7 years of success) like a galactic market that is convenient to use, LFG systems, macros, customisable UI, addons etc... are just not in the game at all. Now, whilst a lot of people will say "but it's only 2 days after release give it time", there are some fundamentals to an MMO that I expect a 2011/2012 game to have, and bioware has just ignored them.

RIFT I thought was a fantastic platform, and since release has done so much, it's weakness was having to develop a story principle from scratch which is why it never caught on to people. WoW had 3 warcraft series before it, and Star wars as we all know has a huge cult following worldwide. I'm starting to feel that the game needed more time before being released (Christmas got $_$ in the eyes of bioware), and that the beta weekends were just a huge publicity stunt instead of actually ironing out the problems that still crop up in game.

For now, I am content, but I have a horrible gut feeling that once i get past the glitz, the glamour and the sparkling lights of a new star wars game, there isn't going to be anything wanting to keep me playing past a months subscription, like WoW did when I used to play it. Looks like I'm going to have to get hyped for guild wars 2 (even though I didn't play the first) and of course heart of the swarm!
http://soundcloud.com/dj-wildsound http://www.youtube.com/MrWildsound ¦ Sage, Creator, Huk, JYP, Hero, MaNa, White-ra
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
December 22 2011 06:42 GMT
#2713
I am disgusted by the fact that Skyrim runs smoother than this on my PC. I mean lets face it, the game looks pretty bad for a 2011 game (even if its a MMORPG). Browsed the official forum a bit and that seems to be a common problem.

I havent found any real tweaks yet. I put shadows to low and disabled bloom. Any other suggestions? Maybe outside the game menu?
Wildsound
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom144 Posts
December 22 2011 06:52 GMT
#2714
Oh and if you thought the blizzard forums were bad, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, that is, the swtor forums...
http://soundcloud.com/dj-wildsound http://www.youtube.com/MrWildsound ¦ Sage, Creator, Huk, JYP, Hero, MaNa, White-ra
sk1nex
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland299 Posts
December 22 2011 07:06 GMT
#2715
In a Finnish magazine called 'Pelit' they interviewed one of the lead designers (can't remember which one), and in the interview he said that they won't be supporting any mods, but if the players discover the API themselves and start creating mods, they have nothing against it.

This kind of opinions are obviously a subject to change...
"Im at Quakecon, Gonna win the Duel and TDM. Quake is easy" (c) 2GD | NTHNTHNTHNTHNTHNTH
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 22 2011 07:36 GMT
#2716
i dont get why people say this game looks bad, its in the same ballpark as Rift and runs with double the fps.

And Skyrim doesnt really look all that great btw, its a lot of cheating with textures that look ok only at distance.
CompelReese
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11 Posts
December 22 2011 07:54 GMT
#2717
LaNague, would you honestly say that it runs at double the fps of Rift?... because I am really trying to determine if I can run the game at a comfortable 50+ fps, and I played rift at around 40.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
December 22 2011 07:56 GMT
#2718
On December 22 2011 10:15 Syi wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5N6UNJNJtg

New video i released for people who are wondering whether to purchase SWTOR. BTW its AMAZING! definatly a worth buy!


It was a good video and PvP looks like fun.

Sure it's probably unbalanced and all but seeing that this is the state from day 1 things can only get better with patches.
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
December 22 2011 08:08 GMT
#2719
AHHH fuck you maintenance ;-;
topoulo
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
December 22 2011 08:08 GMT
#2720
On December 22 2011 16:56 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 10:15 Syi wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5N6UNJNJtg

New video i released for people who are wondering whether to purchase SWTOR. BTW its AMAZING! definatly a worth buy!


It was a good video and PvP looks like fun.

Sure it's probably unbalanced and all but seeing that this is the state from day 1 things can only get better with patches.



Just fyi this guys is bad , for starters he never uses snare and everyone either kites him outrun or out strafes him (if thats a word even lol )

Secondly sentinels marauders atm are rather trash as well due to bad mechanics , they great for pve but for pvp not so much .

Their pvp spec combat is pure crap , watchman is best dps in pve but u simply cant sustain in pvp.

Just a heads up for everyone who wish to pick marauder sentinel
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