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People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected.
The reasons SC2 is considered mannered are : TL harsh posting rules and Korean society where it is highly frowned upon to be bad mannered. That is all. There is no societal etiquette which are inherent to SC/SC2 players. Stop bragging with your fancy words you probably don't fully understand.
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On July 16 2011 06:10 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:35 L wrote:On July 16 2011 05:31 Ganfei2 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:09 L wrote:It starts from the top 100%. No it doesn't. If players gave a fuck about manners, they could police themselves. This 'it starts from the top' bullshit is just a way of passing the buck to S2 because no one including the threadgoing anti-anger crowd really give a fuck. lol yes it does do you know anything about human interaction people don't just magically police themselves they need rolemodels. it doesn't matter if nobody knows who the fuck they are. that's what propagation is. random ass kids on bnet know what "manner" is but they sure as fuck don't know that saying anything but gg in the OSL results in a disqualification You realize your last sentence completely demolishes your premise, right? I know plenty about how social norms work and your last phrase is pretty correct. Top down and bottom up forces need to co-exist for a maximal change in normative structures, but in this instance you aren't going to get a top down effort without a bottom up movement. S2 doesn't need to give a shit until you do. And you don't. As evidenced by your second line. uhhhhh there is an extreme disconnect her between what I'm saying and what you're taking from it. My last line does not in any way contradict what I said. I don't see any point in continuing the argument, because there is obviously not going to be any sort of change in viewpoint from either of us. I simply wanted to point out that my last line does not in any way even remotely contradict what I said and that I am baffled as to how you've managed to construe it that way. Throw anthropological or sociological or whatever the shit jargon that is at me, it doesn't pair up with empirical real-world evidence as I've experienced it in the years I've been playing. The 'east kids' may not necessarily conform to the concepts of manner but they know what it is; top-down forces caused the dissemination of the idea and regardless of its efficacy it has at least promulgated through the community due to the influence of the higher levels. This is not the case in HON; there is not even a concept-to-be-ignored that can fall through the cracks to the "lower" players. People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The difference between DOTA/HON and every other game and the behavior of it's community is that it is run by an unprofessional company that glorifies BM and has a younger community player base than others do. Creating an image that can be copied by its consumer base and promoting players who exemplify a "good" image makes a difference. This argument is a huge fucking waste of time. It doesn't really matter, because S2 won't do anything, the userbase won't do anything, nothing will change, Dota 2 will come out, HON will die, and Dota 2 will have just as bad a community. What remains to be seen is how harshly Valve polices the player base, and given that the dollar is the bottom line the likelihood is that it will be not at all.
If you don't play dota, then don't make assumptions
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On July 15 2011 21:00 Turbovolver wrote:
I like the dude who said that LoL had a higher or equal skill ceiling to HoN and then when asked why he pointed out that more people watched it on streams >_<
They were two separate points. I never argued why HoN does not have a higher skill ceiling I just said that he failed to prove it did
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On July 16 2011 05:33 L wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
It doesn't start from the top because some people don't even know who the people at the top are or simply play the game without inquiring more than just how to play a certain hero.
This includes me, I didn't know who Merrick was until today. Maliken was about 2 weeks ago. The game has a fundamental flaw that causes people to get mad and exert their anger at other anonymous users: cooperation.
If your team sucks and things aren't going your way, like most children, you will throw a tantrum, get mad or insult these people. While imagery of the company is important, it isn't a strong factor for many players if they don't play the game beyond what it is: a product from some company. Its not about cooperation. LoL does the same thing and people are far more mannered in general. People talk more in channels. People friend request more. People are less likely to attempt to hijack teams.Why is that? Is it because LoL's playerbase is different? If that's the case then the activities of players should change dramatically on different ELO levels, which it doesn't to the same extent that it does in HoN. ...
I think the reason HoN has more rage than LoL is because HoN has integrated voice chat. You have random strangers yelling at you from the first time you load up the game.
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I love the BM in HoN, it's part of the game and it's the best.
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On July 16 2011 06:46 Otolia wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Guys, look at you. You are a bunch of nerds trying to argue for nothing.
The forums have been a clusterfuck of shitboat of assholes complaining, insulting and trolling and I can understand that moderators and S2 members were annoyed. Now it has changed, every unpaid S2 members have been stripped down and they have improved the quality of the GD (which was the biggest problem) You are all complaining about the state of the forums from 6 months ago.
I have always regretted the state of the forums but this was the consequence of the presence of S2 members in the forums. Attention whores and forum trollers were hoping to have attention. Bans have ensued many times (many Off-Topics posters were banned numerous times) and now s2 games have stepped up their games. GD is clean (pretty much)
The sole problem now is CC where all pros are trolling, insulting, trashtalking. It has nothing to do with S2.
Yes, there were some case of S2 trashtalking in games particularly from Maliken. BUT one never knew the whole story : Did the "supposed victim" trolled him ? Were they trashtalk themselves ?
So far all the cases I have seen on the HoN forums have been revealed as fake and thus are invalid. But why not trust some kids on rants, there are more trustful than paid workers right ? Oh wait, no ! Customers is king ! <- Sarcastic
Nowadays they barely play the game outside of the test clieant and the beta testers so unless you are in one of those two groups, who don't know how they behave now. Stop spreading stupid rumors, play the game or don't if you don't like it and more importantly don't make fools of yourselfves.
Oh lord. I just visited GD again, and it's a clusteruck of whining, with one-liner threads asking S2 to give them coins, bitching about a game that was just played, posting a shitty 30second youtube video saying "watch this", and other nonsense. One-word replies like "Rofl" and "umad" are ubiquitous. And this is just on the first page. Cleaned up you say? Don't make me laugh.
When S2 employees troll and abuse their power, you want to know the whole story? Here's a tip: the whole story doesn't matter. There is no situation where an S2 employee is justified in swearing at a customer. None. Not a one. You know what would happen in any reputable company when an employee tells a customer to "suck a dick you niggers" or calls them "faggot tryhards"? They're gone. No questions asked.
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On July 16 2011 08:13 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:46 Otolia wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Guys, look at you. You are a bunch of nerds trying to argue for nothing.
The forums have been a clusterfuck of shitboat of assholes complaining, insulting and trolling and I can understand that moderators and S2 members were annoyed. Now it has changed, every unpaid S2 members have been stripped down and they have improved the quality of the GD (which was the biggest problem) You are all complaining about the state of the forums from 6 months ago.
I have always regretted the state of the forums but this was the consequence of the presence of S2 members in the forums. Attention whores and forum trollers were hoping to have attention. Bans have ensued many times (many Off-Topics posters were banned numerous times) and now s2 games have stepped up their games. GD is clean (pretty much)
The sole problem now is CC where all pros are trolling, insulting, trashtalking. It has nothing to do with S2.
Yes, there were some case of S2 trashtalking in games particularly from Maliken. BUT one never knew the whole story : Did the "supposed victim" trolled him ? Were they trashtalk themselves ?
So far all the cases I have seen on the HoN forums have been revealed as fake and thus are invalid. But why not trust some kids on rants, there are more trustful than paid workers right ? Oh wait, no ! Customers is king ! <- Sarcastic
Nowadays they barely play the game outside of the test clieant and the beta testers so unless you are in one of those two groups, who don't know how they behave now. Stop spreading stupid rumors, play the game or don't if you don't like it and more importantly don't make fools of yourselfves. Oh lord. I just visited GD again, and it's a clusteruck of whining, with one-liner threads asking S2 to give them coins, bitching about a game that was just played, posting a shitty 30second youtube video saying "watch this", and other nonsense. One-word replies like "Rofl" and "umad" are ubiquitous. And this is just on the first page. Cleaned up you say? Don't make me laugh. When S2 employees troll and abuse their power, you want to know the whole story? Here's a tip: the whole story doesn't matter. There is no situation where an S2 employee is justified in swearing at a customer. None. Not a one. You know what would happen in any reputable company when an employee tells a customer to "suck a dick you niggers" or calls them "faggot tryhards"? They're gone. No questions asked.
Rofl umad
I don't think there are any S2 employee's who do that. Maliken, the owner of the company, does though. In addition, I can't say I've seen him play very much, if any, HoN.
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Didn't a GM ban someone as they went PK on Plague Rider and the GM thought that was a terrible pickup which threw the game?
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On July 16 2011 08:32 wonderwall wrote:
Didn't a GM ban someone as they went PK on Plague Rider and the GM thought that was a terrible pickup which threw the game?
I sincerely doubt it. First of all, GMs don't post their reasons for bans. I don't know how that would become a story you knew unless someone in the community made it up. Secondly, from the discussions I've had with GMs and Fenix, they wouldn't ban someone for any reason related to their item purchases. Rien can provide more insight into that if he wants to. Lastly, GMs aren't employees of S2.
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On July 16 2011 06:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The reasons SC2 is considered mannered are : TL harsh posting rules and Korean society where it is highly frowned upon to be bad mannered. That is all. There is no societal etiquette which are inherent to SC/SC2 players. Stop bragging with your fancy words you probably don't fully understand.
Except TL had little to do on it's own with mannered sc/sc2 games.
The real fact is that pros in bw were so mannered that they lacked personality. Thats great and all I guess but what happened is that people want to emulate pros so they are mannered too. Top down effect sir. Most HoN pros trend to be trolls. Tralf, Orie, and Loop are prime examples.
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On July 16 2011 08:43 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:51 Otolia wrote:People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The reasons SC2 is considered mannered are : TL harsh posting rules and Korean society where it is highly frowned upon to be bad mannered. That is all. There is no societal etiquette which are inherent to SC/SC2 players. Stop bragging with your fancy words you probably don't fully understand. Except TL had little to do on it's own with mannered sc/sc2 games. The real fact is that pros in bw were so mannered that they lacked personality. Thats great and all I guess but what happened is that people want to emulate pros so they are mannered too. Top down effect sir. Most HoN pros trend to be trolls. Tralf, Orie, and Loop are prime examples.
You forgot Testie.
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Very glad to see HoN picked up by NASL. It's about time S2 stepped up their game and not let LoL dominate them in competitive events.
The HoN community is full of assholes, but so is the internet in general. You learn to have a thick skin over time. The game is fun to play and that makes it worth it, for me.
People complain about how unprofessional S2 is and love to shit on them, but I actually admire the fact that they have a sense of humor. I found the fact that the game yells "rage quit" at you when someone leaves after death to be hilarious. A little bit of trash talk can be in good fun and humor, but I admit the HoN community takes it to the extreme sometimes. But still, HoN's group of angry nerds will never be enough to scare me away to the lucky charms flavoured land of League of Legends. Why? Because I like the game, and I care more about that than the assholes who play it.
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On July 16 2011 07:18 XnG_777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:10 Ganfei2 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:35 L wrote:On July 16 2011 05:31 Ganfei2 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:09 L wrote:It starts from the top 100%. No it doesn't. If players gave a fuck about manners, they could police themselves. This 'it starts from the top' bullshit is just a way of passing the buck to S2 because no one including the threadgoing anti-anger crowd really give a fuck. lol yes it does do you know anything about human interaction people don't just magically police themselves they need rolemodels. it doesn't matter if nobody knows who the fuck they are. that's what propagation is. random ass kids on bnet know what "manner" is but they sure as fuck don't know that saying anything but gg in the OSL results in a disqualification You realize your last sentence completely demolishes your premise, right? I know plenty about how social norms work and your last phrase is pretty correct. Top down and bottom up forces need to co-exist for a maximal change in normative structures, but in this instance you aren't going to get a top down effort without a bottom up movement. S2 doesn't need to give a shit until you do. And you don't. As evidenced by your second line. uhhhhh there is an extreme disconnect her between what I'm saying and what you're taking from it. My last line does not in any way contradict what I said. I don't see any point in continuing the argument, because there is obviously not going to be any sort of change in viewpoint from either of us. I simply wanted to point out that my last line does not in any way even remotely contradict what I said and that I am baffled as to how you've managed to construe it that way. Throw anthropological or sociological or whatever the shit jargon that is at me, it doesn't pair up with empirical real-world evidence as I've experienced it in the years I've been playing. The 'east kids' may not necessarily conform to the concepts of manner but they know what it is; top-down forces caused the dissemination of the idea and regardless of its efficacy it has at least promulgated through the community due to the influence of the higher levels. This is not the case in HON; there is not even a concept-to-be-ignored that can fall through the cracks to the "lower" players. People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The difference between DOTA/HON and every other game and the behavior of it's community is that it is run by an unprofessional company that glorifies BM and has a younger community player base than others do. Creating an image that can be copied by its consumer base and promoting players who exemplify a "good" image makes a difference. This argument is a huge fucking waste of time. It doesn't really matter, because S2 won't do anything, the userbase won't do anything, nothing will change, Dota 2 will come out, HON will die, and Dota 2 will have just as bad a community. What remains to be seen is how harshly Valve polices the player base, and given that the dollar is the bottom line the likelihood is that it will be not at all. If you don't play dota, then don't make assumptions
is that really your reply
i played dota for 6 years before HON came out
is that REALLY what you're going to say? LOL
On July 16 2011 06:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The reasons SC2 is considered mannered are : TL harsh posting rules and Korean society where it is highly frowned upon to be bad mannered. That is all. There is no societal etiquette which are inherent to SC/SC2 players. Stop bragging with your fancy words you probably don't fully understand.
Bragging with my fancy words? That's perhaps the worst possible insult you can use; it just exposes your own ignorance. I'm sorry I chose to use words that you think are "fancy" because I think that they connote (another fancy word I guess) a more subtle meaning than blanket generic words. Sorry man, sorry. Ironic that you would tell others not to make fools of themselves when you reveal yourself to be such an incredibly insecure and ignorant fool that you cannot read "fancy words" online without feeling impinged upon (uh oh another fancy word). Not to mention if you weren't too dumb to understand my "fancy" words (I can't help but put quotation marks around this, because it's so retarded I feel stupid writing it without them) that you don't understand that what you've said is what I said. I didn't say it was inherent, I said it was passed down but there is no direct connection. Look at the words, they're very straightforward. I can assure you that once you dictionary.com every 3rd word it will become very clear. "Grass-roots systems of etiquette DO NOT EXIST" without imposition by "higher" ups = "it's inherent" to you, hm?
Do you really think I didn't t play SC or DOTA and I can talk about the community the way I do? I played SC for 10 years and DOTA for 6 years. I know the communities. I posted on my first account on TL in 2003. I've been reading the site for almost a decade.
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On July 16 2011 09:47 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 07:18 XnG_777 wrote:On July 16 2011 06:10 Ganfei2 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:35 L wrote:On July 16 2011 05:31 Ganfei2 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:09 L wrote:It starts from the top 100%. No it doesn't. If players gave a fuck about manners, they could police themselves. This 'it starts from the top' bullshit is just a way of passing the buck to S2 because no one including the threadgoing anti-anger crowd really give a fuck. lol yes it does do you know anything about human interaction people don't just magically police themselves they need rolemodels. it doesn't matter if nobody knows who the fuck they are. that's what propagation is. random ass kids on bnet know what "manner" is but they sure as fuck don't know that saying anything but gg in the OSL results in a disqualification You realize your last sentence completely demolishes your premise, right? I know plenty about how social norms work and your last phrase is pretty correct. Top down and bottom up forces need to co-exist for a maximal change in normative structures, but in this instance you aren't going to get a top down effort without a bottom up movement. S2 doesn't need to give a shit until you do. And you don't. As evidenced by your second line. uhhhhh there is an extreme disconnect her between what I'm saying and what you're taking from it. My last line does not in any way contradict what I said. I don't see any point in continuing the argument, because there is obviously not going to be any sort of change in viewpoint from either of us. I simply wanted to point out that my last line does not in any way even remotely contradict what I said and that I am baffled as to how you've managed to construe it that way. Throw anthropological or sociological or whatever the shit jargon that is at me, it doesn't pair up with empirical real-world evidence as I've experienced it in the years I've been playing. The 'east kids' may not necessarily conform to the concepts of manner but they know what it is; top-down forces caused the dissemination of the idea and regardless of its efficacy it has at least promulgated through the community due to the influence of the higher levels. This is not the case in HON; there is not even a concept-to-be-ignored that can fall through the cracks to the "lower" players. People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The difference between DOTA/HON and every other game and the behavior of it's community is that it is run by an unprofessional company that glorifies BM and has a younger community player base than others do. Creating an image that can be copied by its consumer base and promoting players who exemplify a "good" image makes a difference. This argument is a huge fucking waste of time. It doesn't really matter, because S2 won't do anything, the userbase won't do anything, nothing will change, Dota 2 will come out, HON will die, and Dota 2 will have just as bad a community. What remains to be seen is how harshly Valve polices the player base, and given that the dollar is the bottom line the likelihood is that it will be not at all. If you don't play dota, then don't make assumptions is that really your reply i played dota for 6 years before HON came out is that REALLY what you're going to say? LOL Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:51 Otolia wrote:People in SC get offended if you say GG to your opponent when you're winning or if you don't say GG when you lose, even random ass kids on Bnet who don't watch any professional games. This idea is community-enforced, which is perhaps your "bottom-up" force, but where did it originate from? Grass-roots-originating and enforced systems of etiquette don't exist, or really systems of anything else; religion, law, government, etc are all imposed by "higher ups" and for their to be "bottom up" forces the idea has to be disseminated to the point that it becomes the norm at which point societal pressures can take over and people who have 0 interaction with the original forces are affected. The reasons SC2 is considered mannered are : TL harsh posting rules and Korean society where it is highly frowned upon to be bad mannered. That is all. There is no societal etiquette which are inherent to SC/SC2 players. Stop bragging with your fancy words you probably don't fully understand. Bragging with my fancy words? That's perhaps the worst possible insult you can use; it just exposes your own ignorance. I'm sorry I chose to use words that you think are "fancy" because I think that they connote (another fancy word I guess) a more subtle meaning than blanket generic words. Sorry man, sorry. Ironic that you would tell others not to make fools of themselves when you reveal yourself to be such an incredibly insecure and ignorant fool that you cannot read "fancy words" online without feeling impinged upon (uh oh another fancy word). Not to mention if you weren't too dumb to understand my "fancy" words (I can't help but put quotation marks around this, because it's so retarded I feel stupid writing it without them) that you don't understand that what you've said is what I said. I didn't say it was inherent, I said it was passed down but there is no direct connection. Look at the words, they're very straightforward. I can assure you that once you dictionary.com every 3rd word it will become very clear. "Grass-roots systems of etiquette DO NOT EXIST" without imposition by "higher" ups = "it's inherent" to you, hm? Do you really think I didn't t play SC or DOTA and I can talk about the community the way I do? I played SC for 10 years and DOTA for 6 years. I know the communities. I posted on my first account on TL in 2003. I've been reading the site for almost a decade.
Smart people use simple words. Reading posts by you is like reading an essay by a first year college student still trying to pass off his shitty boiler plate writing with thesaurus substitutions as a legitimate piece of work.
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LOL
Honestly not a single word I've used has been anything but commonly used. Connote? Impinge? I'm sorry your education has been so shitty that you actually think those words denote a "boilerplate freshman" shit.
Honestly I'm fucking flabbergasted at the accusation that what I'm doing is either "thesaurused" or overly verbose (does using verbose to describe it qualify as boilerplate freshman shit?) since nothing I've written is difficult to understand for non-morons. Have you ever even read academic writing? I can assure you it is far, FAR more dense than what I've written, which doesn't even cross the line past colloquialisms.
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Ganfei2, you get defensive as fuck every time someone presents a different viewpoint. Before I even attempt to get into this, what exactly is your experience with the DotA community? Because some of the points you make are entirely laughable as someone who has played nothing but pubs.
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The only "points" I've made about DOTA are that it has a shitty public community and that top-down management can help remedy that. If you are assigning any other statements to me I have no recollection of making them.
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On July 16 2011 10:10 Ganfei2 wrote:
The only "points" I've made about DOTA are that it has a shitty public community and that top-down management can help remedy that. If you are assigning any other statements to me I have no recollection of making them.
Fair enough, shitty public community won't be solved by top-down management, I can tell you that right now. Why? Because nobody wants to deal with whiny little kids crying about shit that they don't have a clue on.
As for the shitty public community, it's only as shitty as the places one visits. This is why I originally commented on your post about the shitty public community.
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I'm only talking about the public community. I have no problem admitting I didn't play DOTA competitively or at a high level.
And top-down management is not going to 'solve' issues but it is a necessary part of the process in my opinion.
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Ganfei2, I recommend you to read L'Art poétique of Nicolas Boileau. Originally written in french, I believe you could find it in english or in your native language. What this wise man said, is that whereas art is difficult, critics are always easy and that thinking clearly allows it to express it clearly.
I am not insecured about my education nor I am impressed by what you have done before. If you want to argue, then please do, but refrain from being arrogant, patronizing or some kind of know-it-all.
As for me, I can say that my culture is very attentive of customer services (at least offline  ) and that from my point of view, little could be hold against S2Games about their overall behavior. Rumors will be rumors and you are not doing anyone a favor by spreading them.
Furthermore, I don't believe the topic of this thread is manners in different games : influence of the elite. So I don't see why you continue to argue, unless you are yourself a specific form of troller whose only purpose is to show their knowledge. I, if you care, do not.
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