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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 15 2011 13:04 GMT
#27861
On July 15 2011 22:01 xZiGGY wrote:
so like I cant update cause everytime i download the patch it crashes ;o

Run it in windows 95 compatibility mode. (If on windows). Only fix i know of for this, take it off after patch is done or you'll be quite sad at how slow it is.

If not on windows then you have to redownload.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 15 2011 13:46 GMT
#27862
On July 15 2011 21:51 Judicator wrote:
Except when they try to jump and shank you over the game.

No fair. Elaborate please :D
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 15 2011 14:17 GMT
#27863
Long story short, there was some girl drama between two teams, shit got real and they jumped the player and beat his ass enough to hospitalize him.

http://www.mymym.com/en/news/18199.html
Get it by your hands...
XnG_777
Profile Joined June 2011
713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 14:25:26
July 15 2011 14:20 GMT
#27864
On July 15 2011 21:44 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 16:57 Ganfei2 wrote:
On the other hand there is no older, more mature, and respected group of competitive players in HON/DOTA it seems to me.


Umm in DotA, there are:

Maelk
BabyKnight
NS (when he isn't drinking)
Fear
Demon
Ducky
etc.

There are respected players in the scene, it's just that the bm people like Misery, Kebap, PGG gets more attention.


imho, maelk can look bm with that GGnet thread "for hon haters" which resulted in him having the nickname chokeonthecock
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 15 2011 14:24 GMT
#27865
It's GG.net, enough said. If there's a tier system for cesspool GG.net forums would be at the top.
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 15 2011 14:54 GMT
#27866
On July 15 2011 23:17 Judicator wrote:
Long story short, there was some girl drama between two teams, shit got real and they jumped the player and beat his ass enough to hospitalize him.

http://www.mymym.com/en/news/18199.html

not caused by in game stuff, they just happened to be on dota teams
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 15 2011 14:57 GMT
#27867
I remember there being more about it, it wasn't over a game, but something happened in game but not game-related iirc.
Get it by your hands...
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 15 2011 15:04 GMT
#27868
"From what the public was discussing, myMYM understands that this had something to do with the local gangs of Wuhan who also seem to be DotA players."

Gotta love DotA playing gangs.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
July 15 2011 15:20 GMT
#27869
On July 15 2011 16:57 Ganfei2 wrote:
lol I just listened to insane_rabbi's rant. It's pretty on the money.

In SC the manner thing came from Korea blah blah and the majority of players were mature and a little older due to the age of the game. New blood or younger kids who started to play SC would see this "manner" phenomenon and even if they were bad mannered little dipshits on East they'd still confine themselves to being vaguely polite and well mannered during at least competitive or casted games.

On the other hand there is no older, more mature, and respected group of competitive players in HON/DOTA it seems to me. SC was a large community but an insular one. HON is not. New kids who play are greeted by extreme bad manners and so that's what they turn to. There's no Korean pros to emulate, no Mondragon's with their super polite never ever BM mannerisms, etc.

Imagine if Idra were a HON player and not a SC/SC2 player. The rage would be astronomical. What contains him is public expectation. Even people who were slobbering slavering dribbling driveling drooling absolute cocksuckers on East come onto TL and curb everything because they know there's gonna be consequences for it. I'm not talking about the posting that got me banned in the past -- for those who know me -- but rather the way people talked on East. HON celebrates BM, and for that it will never be able to be televised nationally like SC in Korea, at least in the West. In Asian countries this kind of attitude for the most part either repressed or oppressed.

It also will never change as long as sponsors don't enforce public appearance rules for players who carry their names, and why would they? The competitive scene is tiny and hardly worth sponsoring anyways. If a Korean progamer were to act the way HON "progamers" (it is a misnomer and a joke to use this term for them) there would be severe consequences from their sponsors/coaches/whatever. As long as the main players for HON are egotistical, mostly high school/barely in college children, then there will never be a "real" scene. Korean SC pros include many high school students but there is an established etiquette so that doesn't matter.

Just my take on the situation.


I am personally trying to make HoN better atm through example and through talking to S2 about possible changes. (To tell them to become more like teamliquid and take many elements from this site, such as not tolerating 99% of the shit they do on their forums). I don't know if they are listening or not, but it would be nice if they did and would improve everyone's image of the hon community.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Farow
Profile Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland24 Posts
July 15 2011 15:35 GMT
#27870
S2 are definitely not listening Testie.
If you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 16:01:30
July 15 2011 15:53 GMT
#27871
On July 16 2011 00:20 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 16:57 Ganfei2 wrote:
lol I just listened to insane_rabbi's rant. It's pretty on the money.

In SC the manner thing came from Korea blah blah and the majority of players were mature and a little older due to the age of the game. New blood or younger kids who started to play SC would see this "manner" phenomenon and even if they were bad mannered little dipshits on East they'd still confine themselves to being vaguely polite and well mannered during at least competitive or casted games.

On the other hand there is no older, more mature, and respected group of competitive players in HON/DOTA it seems to me. SC was a large community but an insular one. HON is not. New kids who play are greeted by extreme bad manners and so that's what they turn to. There's no Korean pros to emulate, no Mondragon's with their super polite never ever BM mannerisms, etc.

Imagine if Idra were a HON player and not a SC/SC2 player. The rage would be astronomical. What contains him is public expectation. Even people who were slobbering slavering dribbling driveling drooling absolute cocksuckers on East come onto TL and curb everything because they know there's gonna be consequences for it. I'm not talking about the posting that got me banned in the past -- for those who know me -- but rather the way people talked on East. HON celebrates BM, and for that it will never be able to be televised nationally like SC in Korea, at least in the West. In Asian countries this kind of attitude for the most part either repressed or oppressed.

It also will never change as long as sponsors don't enforce public appearance rules for players who carry their names, and why would they? The competitive scene is tiny and hardly worth sponsoring anyways. If a Korean progamer were to act the way HON "progamers" (it is a misnomer and a joke to use this term for them) there would be severe consequences from their sponsors/coaches/whatever. As long as the main players for HON are egotistical, mostly high school/barely in college children, then there will never be a "real" scene. Korean SC pros include many high school students but there is an established etiquette so that doesn't matter.

Just my take on the situation.


I am personally trying to make HoN better atm through example and through talking to S2 about possible changes. (To tell them to become more like teamliquid and take many elements from this site, such as not tolerating 99% of the shit they do on their forums). I don't know if they are listening or not, but it would be nice if they did and would improve everyone's image of the hon community.

I think a large part of the problem is that s2 seems to accept and encourage their community to incite flame and anger.
-The competitive forums are mostly gossip central and the mods basically encourage you to flame in it (I've seen china, one of the forum's mods respond to flaming so intense it would result in an ip ban for teamliquid with "lol!").

-Rather than just locking or responding to criticism from emotionally upset people they put them into forums called "quarantine" or "non-constructive criticism", which seems rather childish.

That's just the forums... the game itself seems set up to encourage rage.

-It actually SAYS ragequit upon exiting a large portion of the time (and also just in general when dcing while dead),

-automatically points out when a player is getting raped by another

-and their taunts are ridiculous. (Taunting is not inherently bad, it does add an entertainment factor to the game.) but having ridiculous voice actors say things like "kiss my ass" in a highly aggressive tone won't really help with calming the nerves.

-that's before the new one which turns people into literal babies after they die and makes them cry.

I mean... these are things that are not necessary to the game and seem to only have the purpose of making opponents angry. These are all just off the top of my head, I know that there are dozens more that I just don't recall.

At a fundamental level, I don't think that s2 realizes that encouraging a decent community is necessary. They don't seem to believe that it would be beneficial to them to be known as a game with a great community rather than literally the worst one of any game ever. (I can't think of any game with worse communities overall. Sure, some have worse specific instance but they also have more people in general.) The point for s2 really should be that if a friend asks me if they should play hon right now I would (and have done so in the past) tell them that the game is great but that the people that play it are awful, and that they should take it into consideration before buying or even trying the game.
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
July 15 2011 16:02 GMT
#27872
$10 hon accounts now!
hoorah
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#27873
Empath is fucking cool. Not going to lie. She's easy to play, I love the Wall ability and that speed thing is badass!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
July 15 2011 16:14 GMT
#27874
On July 16 2011 01:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Empath is fucking cool. Not going to lie. She's easy to play, I love the Wall ability and that speed thing is badass!


Get out, Mr 1000psr above me with 1/16th of the playing time.
Chains none
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2011 16:16 GMT
#27875
On July 16 2011 01:14 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 01:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Empath is fucking cool. Not going to lie. She's easy to play, I love the Wall ability and that speed thing is badass!


Get out, Mr 1000psr above me with 1/16th of the playing time.


I'm just guuuuuuuud

Have you seen my Chronos? Makes Kupo and Ziggy so jealous
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 15 2011 17:09 GMT
#27876
After LoL paying ESL getting into the IEM, the NASL has announced the addition to the 2nd season of the second most competitive designed game out there : Heroes of Newerth.

Quoting Detonator during an interview for ESFI (Source) :
At the moment, League of Legends has sealed a lot of partnerships with many organizations. We will be going in a similar direction. For us though, it's more so doing the things that are more cost effective to us. Last year, it was all about working on what we could do internally...to work on different big collaborations...to really turn some heads in the eSports world but at the same time doing it in a very cost-effective way. We do not necessarily want to throw a lot of money in different directions, but we are working on different ways to benefit us, but not really dealing with a lot of money.


Yep, everything that everybody knew about Riot buying their places into big events (DH, IEM) is now confirmed by S2, without any rage. Let's show to those LoL players how much their games is lacking compare to HoN !

Source - HoN Forums
Source - NASL Website
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 15 2011 17:33 GMT
#27877
Wow, I thought the CS community was shit and I knew that DotA/HoN/LoL's wasn't any better, but people getting beat up/hospitalized is another story.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 15 2011 17:45 GMT
#27878
On July 16 2011 02:33 zoLo wrote:
Wow, I thought the CS community was shit and I knew that DotA/HoN/LoL's wasn't any better, but people getting beat up/hospitalized is another story.

or you know, you could read the article again and see that it had nothing to do with any of the games
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 15 2011 17:50 GMT
#27879
On July 16 2011 02:33 zoLo wrote:
Wow, I thought the CS community was shit and I knew that DotA/HoN/LoL's wasn't any better, but people getting beat up/hospitalized is another story.

It's stupid to think that game communities have a stronger influence on people than cultural and national customs. This happened in China where Mafia, Corruption are strong and the law is made to defend either the communism in China or the power of the party ...

What would happen if some gangs around poor cities like Detroit would play SC2 ? Do you think they will be mannered just because TL is ? That's pure blindness and one must not fall into the trap and blame things onto the community like you are eager to.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 18:52:50
July 15 2011 18:51 GMT
#27880
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