EPTAnd whats wrong with debate about the HoN/Dota communities in a thread dedicated to the two games ;o
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
And whats wrong with debate about the HoN/Dota communities in a thread dedicated to the two games ;o | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
I would argue that top-down management would be more problematic because it would present a pseudo-official way of doing things. Like for instance, HoN has the MMR/ELO system for playing games, but is that really a good way of doing things? Personally I find Blizzard's system of multiple leagues more effective for something like DotA/HoN. I am actually more curious what Icefrog/Valve came up with, because this is a serious problem in DotA when he started working on DotA 2 and something I explicitly ran by him when I left PD.com. | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
And clarity is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing I've written is difficult for anyone with a basic knowledge of English to understand. There are far more esoteric and obscure words I could use, but I didn't, because I'm not interested in obfuscating (shall I say "render unintelligible?" because I'm fairly certain you'd claim unintelligible was a fancy word as well) my point. It's unfortunate that you find this more difficult to understand but it is not dense, verbose, or difficult to understand for me nor for many others. Trust me, I am aware of the philosophy that simplicity is better than complexity when it comes to writing and the conveyance of ideas, but I don't see what I'm doing as complex at all. Nobody I've ever encountered has had the problems you seem to have with the way I write. Sadly nobody seems to agree with me on this matter. Despite the fact that I thought I could write like I wasn't speaking to a bunch of elementary school students on teamliquid, whose members generally possess an "above average" grasp of the language, I can avoid all words longer than 7 letters if I need to. However, I'm quite used to the use of punctuation and words that might be classified as "grade 6 and above" leading to personal attacks and insults from forumgoers on numerous sites so it doesn't faze me TOO much. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Talking about how the DotA-like communities are bad mannered ? But it's like talking about how the old people eventually die ... It's pointless, solo queuing is extremely frustrating and thus insults and ragequits happen. Maybe you all did spend your teens in a basement tweaking computers, but in sports rage happen all the time. This is life. It appears more clearer online because everything is recorded but other than that it's the same. | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
In a typical post, I'd aim for whatever reading level newspapers go for.. I think it's around 6th grade, but don't quote me on that. Which is very sad if you think about it =\ | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:39 Otolia wrote: Rumors that S2Games members insults customers in forums. Talking about how the DotA-like communities are bad mannered ? But it's like talking about how the old people eventually die ... It's pointless, solo queuing is extremely frustrating and thus insults and ragequits happen. Maybe you all did spend your teens in a basement tweaking computers, but in sports rage happen all the time. This is life. It appears more clearer online because everything is recorded but other than that it's the same. That is not a rumor, I forget the names but an S2Games member did insult a customer on the forum. There was a pretty huge outcry, and the recent forum moderation changes were a direct result of that. Maybe you should do a little research before you start throwing accusations. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:36 Ganfei2 wrote: I didn't ask you to be impressed with what I've done before. And clarity is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing I've written is difficult for anyone with a basic knowledge of English to understand. There are far more esoteric and obscure words I could use, but I didn't, because I'm not interested in obfuscating (shall I say "render unintelligible?" because I'm fairly certain you'd claim unintelligible was a fancy word as well) my point. It's unfortunate that you find this more difficult to understand but it is not dense, verbose, or difficult to understand for me nor for many others. Trust me, I am aware of the philosophy that simplicity is better than complexity when it comes to writing and the conveyance of ideas, but I don't see what I'm doing as complex at all. Nobody I've ever encountered has had the problems you seem to have with the way I write. Sadly nobody seems to agree with me on this matter. Despite the fact that I thought I could write like I wasn't speaking to a bunch of elementary school students on teamliquid, whose members generally possess an "above average" grasp of the language, I can avoid all words longer than 7 letters if I need to. However, I'm quite used to the use of punctuation and words that might be classified as "grade 6 and above" leading to personal attacks and insults from forumgoers on numerous sites so it doesn't faze me TOO much. Isn't that ad hominem ? I understand you perfectly, though I would prefer that you take your arrogance somewhere else. PS : Because you are as interesting as a fly on a Käsebrötchen, allow me to post the true beholder. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Shinbi
338 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:45 Gandalf wrote: That is not a rumor, I forget the names but an S2Games member did insult a customer on the forum. There was a pretty huge outcry, and the recent forum moderation changes were a direct result of that. Maybe you should do a little research before you start throwing accusations. JohnnyUtah [I believe] and Moonmeander. Funny thing was that Moonmeander's original post was giving a list of things that should be fixed so that HoN could be a better game. | ||
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
Comes from the people who lose and then subjectivly blame their teammates. In sc it's a 1v1 situation and if you lose, you can only blame yourself. (unless you get cheesed, which is where all this rage from sc comes from. AKA "OMG CHEAP 4 POOLZ") Other team games like tf2 avoid "bm" by not showing the death count and also making matches that include up to 32 players so it's hard to pinpoint the blame. I have seen bad mannerism in tf2, but it's nothing compared to dota. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:45 Gandalf wrote: That is not a rumor, I forget the names but an S2Games member did insult a customer on the forum. There was a pretty huge outcry, and the recent forum moderation changes were a direct result of that. Maybe you should do a little research before you start throwing accusations. It was JohnyUtah against MoonMeander at the end of May. Original post of MoonMeander + Show Spoiler + Ever since WaC and robertXlee left for league. DRD has been crippled. Riot Games has done an excellent job of bringing players over, despite being a game which requires less skill in terms of less strategies (No buybacks, no gold loss, no trilanes) Daggius, Raven and I and many other pro hon players tried League of Legends for the first time when HON was DDOS-ed. Its been almost a week since the DDOS and HON still can't keep their servers stable. They release a new hero every 2 weeks and never balance them till 6 months later. When Riot Games release a hero, they look at community feedback and balance accordingly. In the recent honcast podcast, the S2 dude totally dodged the question even though its blatantly obvious as daylight that silhouette is broken and overpowered as hell. There has been countless threads about silhouette being overpowered which get locked/deleted by the mods in forums. S2 is going around silencing the community when it tries to reach out to them instead of trying to fix their own servers. How many times have good ideas reached S2 only to be ignored and not replied? A good example is the ARDM post by swindlemelonzz. Still no action taken after months, even though there is high demand. The only thing they listen to is disgusting rampage alt avatar ideas that no1 cares about. Now look here S2. Free tips for you to get your customers to like you more. 1. Compensate for the lost DDOS downtime by giving everyone 100 coins or something like Riot Games did( LEARN FROM THE GAME THAT HAS 8X YOUR PLAYERDATA BASE) 2. Nerf silhouette 3. Listen to the community 4. Stop releasing broken new heroes every patch (Its obvious you're trying to make the new heroes overpowered so that the unique hon heroes will see action in competitive HoN. (Myrmidon, silhouette banned every game, Aluna) Like seriously, Aluna and silhouette have the most overpowered attack animations in the game. This just in, once dota 2 comes out. The competitive scene will become more of a joke. Honcast viewers will stop tuning in because alot of teams will move over to dota 2. Don't believe me? Ask any pro HoN team in america. (Msi and reason gaming and other EU teams excluded because those EU teams play this game for their jobs) 5. Every Friday, release a balance patch like riot games and explain why you did it. Don't just nerfbat random stuff or buff and don't say anything. Look at the videos Riot games release on youtube. It gets 200k+ views for a reason. Like so: TLDR:Nerf silhouette and listen to community Edit: For some reason people think I got owned or something. Here are 10 silhouette replays in 1900+ tmm mostly. On my 1880mmr smurf, my main account 1945mmr. All above 400 gpm ~700 gpm. I think I only lost 1 game as silhouette so far. Prove me wrong at honstats.org and search up my match history http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40707268 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40669626 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40415894 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40410934 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37418353 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37415920 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37138523 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40039700 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=39938289 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=39923499 List of Hon PLayers that tried League during DDOS/ Before that (I'm sure there's much more but this is all i got so far. I will continue adding more if this thread doesn't get deleted) Chu Fujiapples Fogged Dirgesnoopy Slickz Swindlemelonzz Korok Amxzaku Reply of Johnny Utah Hey Moon, why don't you stick to feeding with Flint Beastwood to easy lanes and then whining all day in VoIP about how it was Daggius' fault? I think you do a much better job as that because you're one of the worst players I've ever seen in this game. Oh let's not forget your own clanmates making fun of how bad you are and making you ragequit the game. If you'd like to go leave and play a game where the average total killscore between the top 2 competitive teams is 5 kills @ 30 minutes, be my guest. For the remainder of the competitive community that doesn't actually suck at this game, stay tuned to big announcements coming soon. And to prove you that MoonMeander is just a troller : here is what he post afterwards : S2, I'm still wainting for my apology. Why S2Games will never beat Riot/Blizzard The HoN Conspiracy PS : Now people can judge for themselves. Sorry to disappoint you, but I know what I am talking about. | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
We can all think moonmeander is a complete idiot, but it doesn't change the fact S2Games handled it very, very unprofessionally. | ||
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Gandalf
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:49 JeeJee wrote: LOL otolia. Where's ryugie's image of kettle and pot when you need it most? Rooooooooooo, I thought it was subtle .... trololololo ! PS : No kettle, no pot. Only Black | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
If saying that someone is bad is an insult, let's just shut up for eternity, it will be easier. If you consider that employees should be treated like piece of shit and have their work spit on just because they are that, employees. Then I don't want to live in a world you could create. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:59 Otolia wrote: It was JohnyUtah against MoonMeander at the end of May. Original post of MoonMeander + Show Spoiler + Ever since WaC and robertXlee left for league. DRD has been crippled. Riot Games has done an excellent job of bringing players over, despite being a game which requires less skill in terms of less strategies (No buybacks, no gold loss, no trilanes) Daggius, Raven and I and many other pro hon players tried League of Legends for the first time when HON was DDOS-ed. Its been almost a week since the DDOS and HON still can't keep their servers stable. They release a new hero every 2 weeks and never balance them till 6 months later. When Riot Games release a hero, they look at community feedback and balance accordingly. In the recent honcast podcast, the S2 dude totally dodged the question even though its blatantly obvious as daylight that silhouette is broken and overpowered as hell. There has been countless threads about silhouette being overpowered which get locked/deleted by the mods in forums. S2 is going around silencing the community when it tries to reach out to them instead of trying to fix their own servers. How many times have good ideas reached S2 only to be ignored and not replied? A good example is the ARDM post by swindlemelonzz. Still no action taken after months, even though there is high demand. The only thing they listen to is disgusting rampage alt avatar ideas that no1 cares about. Now look here S2. Free tips for you to get your customers to like you more. 1. Compensate for the lost DDOS downtime by giving everyone 100 coins or something like Riot Games did( LEARN FROM THE GAME THAT HAS 8X YOUR PLAYERDATA BASE) 2. Nerf silhouette 3. Listen to the community 4. Stop releasing broken new heroes every patch (Its obvious you're trying to make the new heroes overpowered so that the unique hon heroes will see action in competitive HoN. (Myrmidon, silhouette banned every game, Aluna) Like seriously, Aluna and silhouette have the most overpowered attack animations in the game. This just in, once dota 2 comes out. The competitive scene will become more of a joke. Honcast viewers will stop tuning in because alot of teams will move over to dota 2. Don't believe me? Ask any pro HoN team in america. (Msi and reason gaming and other EU teams excluded because those EU teams play this game for their jobs) 5. Every Friday, release a balance patch like riot games and explain why you did it. Don't just nerfbat random stuff or buff and don't say anything. Look at the videos Riot games release on youtube. It gets 200k+ views for a reason. Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkdP-Xp0N6o TLDR:Nerf silhouette and listen to community Edit: For some reason people think I got owned or something. Here are 10 silhouette replays in 1900+ tmm mostly. On my 1880mmr smurf, my main account 1945mmr. All above 400 gpm ~700 gpm. I think I only lost 1 game as silhouette so far. Prove me wrong at honstats.org and search up my match history http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40707268 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40669626 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40415894 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40410934 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37418353 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37415920 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=37138523 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=40039700 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=39938289 http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...p?mid=39923499 List of Hon PLayers that tried League during DDOS/ Before that (I'm sure there's much more but this is all i got so far. I will continue adding more if this thread doesn't get deleted) Chu Fujiapples Fogged Dirgesnoopy Slickz Swindlemelonzz Korok Amxzaku Reply of Johnny Utah And to prove you that MoonMeander is just a troller : here is what he post afterwards : S2, I'm still wainting for my apology. Why S2Games will never beat Riot/Blizzard The HoN Conspiracy PS : Now people can judge for themselves. Sorry to disappoint you, but I know what I am talking about. To be honest, it doesn't matter if the guy is the worst troll in the universe. You should never get such a response from a official source in a serious company. If the guy is such a problem, ban him from the forums and take the backlash, if it happens, like Blizzard does. But personal insults are too much. And I guess the guy paid for the game. So he is a customer. And he did get insulted. Whatever the reason was, you can't really say that sentence was false. Edit: You are one of the worst players, you suck at this game. How is this not insulting? I'm assuming this wasn't a PM, I don't think I've ever heard a developer from any game making a remark such as this. And there are people a lot more inflamatory than that guy in most forums. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:04 GhostKorean wrote: Current state of the thread is proof of HoN's shitty community But is it the community though ? Or just a small minority of trashtalkers and trollers who seem bigger than they are. If you are american and play SC2, you could well think all americans players are bad mannered because Idra is. But look at his teammate incontrol ... Shortcuts are easy to make, and easy to believe ... | ||
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