EPTEverything else was so predictable, especially if you have played dx1.
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Everything else was so predictable, especially if you have played dx1. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 13 2011 17:10 -Archangel- wrote: Maybe you are just too smart for this game. I think that's a big part of why some people love the story and some people don't. o.o | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On September 13 2011 21:45 Jibba wrote: I think that's a big part of why some people love the story and some people don't. o.o The story had soooooooooo much potential. The lack of character development & resolution, and the rushed ending pretty much let the whole story down. Sad. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On September 13 2011 21:45 Jibba wrote: I think that's a big part of why some people love the story and some people don't. o.o And I think intelligence is completely irrelevant in such cases. Some people had unrealistic expectations (not that I blame them, everyone can fail for a hype train once in a while) and naturally got disappointed. Others were biased against the game long before it came out and therefore almost unpleasable. Too bad, DEHR is a great game. That doesn't mean it's perfect though. I can think of hundreds little negative things but they are meaningless in the big picture. Only one mistake is worth mentioning - DEHR is too similar to original Deus Ex. DE was also a great game, but far from perfect too and lots of its mistakes are repeated in Human Revolution. But then again, so are many of the things that made DE such a great game in the first place. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On September 14 2011 00:28 L0thar wrote: And I think intelligence is completely irrelevant in such cases. Some people had unrealistic expectations (not that I blame them, everyone can fail for a hype train once in a while) and naturally got disappointed. Others were biased against the game long before it came out and therefore almost unpleasable. Too bad, DEHR is a great game. That doesn't mean it's perfect though. I can think of hundreds little negative things but they are meaningless in the big picture. Only one mistake is worth mentioning - DEHR is too similar to original Deus Ex. DE was also a great game, but far from perfect too and lots of its mistakes are repeated in Human Revolution. But then again, so are many of the things that made DE such a great game in the first place. The hype train wasn't our fault. I was truly disappointed with the story, and that is mainly because of this trailer. Apparently they changed the story and threw out all these high quality cut scene, replaced with the low quality ones that looked even worse than the game itself. Although we have no idea why they decided to change it, but in my opinion the old story seems to have lot more potential. Noticed how Sarif is talking to Adam in the trailer, he seems like a man with balls who wants to fight the shadow organization, but in the game he seems just like self interest person. Someone mentioned that the game originally was going to be lot longer, but since they decided to change the story, instead of creating contents, they are just fixing old stuff. I'm sure the DLC was supposed to be in the original release.... | ||
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
But Story/Gameplay etc was really great. I hope you all watched the 4 possible outros. | ||
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eot
146 Posts
On September 14 2011 00:55 furymonkey wrote:Someone mentioned that the game originally was going to be lot longer, but since they decided to change the story, instead of creating contents, they are just fixing old stuff. I'm sure the DLC was supposed to be in the original release.... That happens with all games, because they don't have unlimited time and money to make them. It's not like the game has a lack of content anyway. | ||
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viletomato
Canada277 Posts
Several things: Why is the plasma rifle so damn weak? it's has slow rate of fire that doesn't do much damage. Why is it touted as the most advanced weapon when it sucks so much. Anyways, there wasn't even enough game for me to really use it. Anyone find any secrets yet? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 14 2011 00:28 L0thar wrote: Some people make Avatar the #1 grossing movie of all time and Dan Brown a best selling author. That's why many people can be impressed with this story.And I think intelligence is completely irrelevant in such cases. Some people had unrealistic expectations (not that I blame them, everyone can fail for a hype train once in a while) and naturally got disappointed. Others were biased against the game long before it came out and therefore almost unpleasable. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:45 Jibba wrote: Some people make Avatar the #1 grossing movie of all time and Dan Brown a best selling author. That's why many people can be impressed with this story. Avatar is #1 grossing movie, isn't it? Or is Titanic still #1? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On September 14 2011 00:58 gehgrfhgrh wrote: Really awesome game overall. The only bad thing was that the balance between stealther and rambo was really bad. If you want the maximum ex and the easiest game, you need to play stealthy and don't hurt any enemy. But Story/Gameplay etc was really great. I hope you all watched the 4 possible outros. Not true. Going rambo is way easier then going stealth. You get less xp but it is much faster and easier to finish all levels. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11528 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:45 Jibba wrote: Some people make Avatar the #1 grossing movie of all time and Dan Brown a best selling author. That's why many people can be impressed with this story. I have not played this game yet, so i can not speak about it specifically, but i think that "if you don't like exactly what i like, you are stupid, because intelligent people only like what i like" to be a pretty bad argument, and especially not really fair. It does not give reasons, it just tries to convince stupid people by trying to force them to either agree they are stupid(which noone ever does), or to agree with the statement, making them part of the enlightened elite instead of the unwashed masses. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:19 eot wrote: That happens with all games, because they don't have unlimited time and money to make them. It's not like the game has a lack of content anyway. Of course time and money are constraints, but how often do you see game company make massive changes at late stage of the development that they had to threw away all those rendered cinematic, and replace them with low quality ones because they don't have time? | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:45 Jibba wrote: Some people make Avatar the #1 grossing movie of all time and Dan Brown a best selling author. That's why many people can be impressed with this story. And what does it have to do with intelligence? On September 14 2011 00:55 furymonkey wrote: The hype train wasn't our fault. I was truly disappointed with the story, and that is mainly because of this trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIPrVB12CK4 Apparently they changed the story and threw out all these high quality cut scene, replaced with the low quality ones that looked even worse than the game itself. Although we have no idea why they decided to change it, but in my opinion the old story seems to have lot more potential. Noticed how Sarif is talking to Adam in the trailer, he seems like a man with balls who wants to fight the shadow organization, but in the game he seems just like self interest person. Someone mentioned that the game originally was going to be lot longer, but since they decided to change the story, instead of creating contents, they are just fixing old stuff. I'm sure the DLC was supposed to be in the original release.... Hmm, I would like to see confirmation to the bolded part. To me, it seems like this video is just a typical hype video, nothing more or less. The developers/storywriters gave (at early stage of developement) some vague description to people responsible for rendering such videos and they made a hype video based on that. Obviously later during development some changes had to be made, some things just work best vaguely hinted at but terrible in the actual game. And to be honest, the trailer, while enjoyable, is really cheeky and full of cliche, maybe more that the game itself. On September 14 2011 01:56 furymonkey wrote: Of course time and money are constraints, but how often do you see game company make massive changes at late stage of the development that they had to threw away all those rendered cinematic, and replace them with low quality ones because they don't have time? Again, where are you getting this? You may be right, I haven't followed the development very closely, but I never though this cinematics will actually appear in the game. They weren't thrown, they were used as an advertisement and that's what they were planned to be used for since the beginning. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
The fact that they tried to remain true to the original at all is a good sign. Maybe the sequel (prequel sequel?) will iron out some of the problems and give us a better idea what was going on near the end. | ||
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
DE: You are an active participant in the end of human society as we know it, while uncovering perhaps the greatest conspiracy in the history of mankind. DEHR: You are a passive* participant in the battle to regulate, or not regulate, mechanical augmentation. There is a conspiracy but you never confront the true powers behind it. * Until the very end of the game, where you are asked to literally push a button to decide. EDIT: I don't want to make it sound like I didn't enjoy the game. In fact, I think DEHR is a great game and I had a lot of fun playing it. I loved the references to characters from DE and I thought the gameplay was overall very well-done. All that said, any time you are making a game in the Deus Ex world you have some HUGE shoes to fill imo and I judge the game accordingly. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:57 L0thar wrote: And what does it have to do with intelligence? Hmm, I would like to see confirmation to the bolded part. To me, it seems like this video is just a typical hype video, nothing more or less. The developers/storywriters gave (at early stage of developement) some vague description to people responsible for rendering such videos and they made a hype video based on that. Obviously later during development some changes had to be made, some things just work best vaguely hinted at but terrible in the actual game. And to be honest, the trailer, while enjoyable, is really cheeky and full of cliche, maybe more that the game itself. Again, where are you getting this? You may be right, I haven't followed the development very closely, but I never though this cinematics will actually appear in the game. They weren't thrown, they were used as an advertisement and that's what they were planned to be used for since the beginning. If you're looking for solid evidence such as company's statement, then no, I don't have it. This is just the pure speculation from many people. You can sort it see the reason if you considered the following: Creating cinematic like this isn't simple. It is not very efficient way of doing things if these were only created for advertisement purpose. I don't see other companies having trouble to create game/movie trailers by cutting and pasting from their actual contents. The story in the trailer is so off compare to the retail release. Again, even if they're trying to be misleading, you can still do it through actual contents. If they can spend so much effort in creating advertisement trailer, why not for the actual in game cinematic? Because the in game one is actually very low quality. So here is the theory, the change they made to the story were so big, too many parts has to be removed, so they just decided to ditch the whole thing, but they do not have time to re-do the high quality cinematic. Not to mentioned they delayed the release date by at least 6 months, this is just a single player game, and you do not need that long to optimize and fix bugs, so it must be the contents they needed more time on. Edit: To clarify, I am a fan of this game, I liked it very much. But I just felt slightly empty after finding out the trailer was totally misleading. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
And yes, I seriously expected some characters like Bob Page or Morgan Everett to make a real appearance, particularly regarding AJ knowing about them, even if not knowing all (that's no fun, and "that will be JC's job" anyway). Bill Taggart seemed more like someone who gets caught in a commode by a T-Rex, although his smooth talking and twisting was pretty impressive, as far as the writing goes. That is one thing that really impressed me: how Sarif, Taggart, and Darrow (as well as others, like say Haas) could be so freaking good at changing the subjects. It is demonstrative of how they got their powerful positions and also of their ability to deceive. In spite of any complaints, I'm playing through a fourth time, to get some achievements, and also simply because it's fun. And in true DX fashion, I've already found paths and places I missed before. Side note: You can disarm proximity mines by turning on slow walk with "Caps Lock." I didn't know this until my 3rd run. I read the tip and tutorial, but I thought that meant you were supposed to tap forward in small amounts. I achieved a few deaths that way. I basically said "screw it," the guards will reset relatively quickly anyway. One thing to note if you also didn't have that figured out, changing elevation (crawling over a corner of the bed in O'Malley's apartment, for instance) can still trigger them. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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