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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
#LoveMeSomeRegi All of these organizations are attempting to "resolve the oversaturation problem" by carving out prime time slots with the best teams on behalf of a single organizer. It's such a lopsided way to resolve the issue. At some point you just have to take the PEA threat and see if they are willing to give up their CS:GO league and produce other content. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
People *finally* got to enjoy Christmas.  Also, the major is getting near, and players are focusing back on practicing for it. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5koc5k/uimt_whinston_where_are_the_easy_to_calculate_pea/ There are few reply from immortals owner on those but nothing major I think PEA at this point hope people to forget things and move on. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
They lay down, take the beating and watch things going on. Their teams still make profit with CS:GO and they will not leave the game, they will try exclusivity next time again and fail again. The only difference between the last 2 attempts by ESL/WESA and this PEA one is the regional aspect and that the players stopped it, not certain orgs. I expect that Jason Katz gets removed arround mid January to February and that PEA and ESL get into talks and get their shedules for the online matches and the lan finals adjusted, just as ESL and ECS did. After 2 seasons, one of them will make significant changes because his numbers dont add up or there will be another exclusivity attempt. It will again fail because the monetary and secondary interests of the parties (players, orgs, event orgs) do not add up. See you in the next thread in 6 months, WESG exclusivity League. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
One should also see some kind of WESA victory here. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
no brainer | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Yeah, I dont know what they were thinking. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 06 2017 03:15 lestye wrote: https://twitter.com/SirScoots/status/817054823065403392 no brainer You have to consider one thing aside of that to have a better picture about what's going on. I think DeKay sums it up well (read the rest of the tweets for context) I hope this will be clarified soon, because right now it just seems that WESA fucked a few other teams over. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Please keep in mind, the actual deals between teams and EPL are not equal. WESA, non-WESA, etc so I just estimated the rev splits to be equal, but they most likely are not equal across all 28 teams. I think the rev split number of $1m I used is actually low and most likely is a tad higher per season. I would say WESA teams most likely do get a slightly higher % as they have a different relationship with EPL, I don't think that would be news to anyone. I would also say my estimates are low in the sense that these numbers are if they all got the same and I think WESA teams would get perhaps more than this average and that would raise the overall #. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
http://www.thescoreesports.com/csgo/news/12532-pea-suspends-cs-go-league-due-to-player-vote-epl-revenue-sharing According to the statement, WESA is offering a total of 10 percent of EPL's gross revenue to non-WESA teams, half of which was offered to the PEA teams under the condition that they agree not to run a PEA league for two years and instead commit to the EPL for two years. This stand out to me. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
https://slingshotesports.com/2017/01/06/esl-pro-league-exclusively-streamed-youtube-gaming-wesa/ | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
really wish option out of one bullshit exclusive league didn't mean opting into another bullshit exclusive league but whatever. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
They are offering the best deal. I fail to see how this a problem. This kind of revenue system is pretty normal. The difference was PEA forcing players to choose. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 07 2017 06:32 Rebs wrote: I dont see where EPL is exclusive though. EPL isnt stopping you from playing anywhere else? They are offering the best deal. I fail to see how this a problem. This kind of revenue system is pretty normal. The difference was PEA forcing players to choose. If participating in a League prevents you from participating in another, or if chosing the other prevents the first one from being run in the first place, that's exclusivity kind of. Also, there's no best deal, there are two deals, one of which is better and for the WESA teams, and not the other. And finally, did you miss that part? According to the statement, WESA is offering a total of 10 percent of EPL's gross revenue to non-WESA teams, half of which was offered to the PEA teams under the condition that they agree not to run a PEA league for two years and instead commit to the EPL for two years. In an industry where money is still an issue even for big dogs, that's another indirect way. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 07 2017 07:08 Ragnarork wrote: If participating in a League prevents you from participating in another, or if chosing the other prevents the first one from being run in the first place, that's exclusivity kind of. Also, there's no best deal, there are two deals, one of which is better and for the WESA teams, and not the other. And finally, did you miss that part? In an industry where money is still an issue even for big dogs, that's another indirect way. Yeah I did miss that part. That having been said They could choose not to revenue share under any conditions and offer bigger prize pools and you still wouldnt be able to fault them much. The EPL realized that they could leverage the PEA into not pulling this shit again so they did. I dont blame them, I would have done the same. Or do you want players to have to deal with this shit every year same time ? Same channel ? Im sure the players dont. I would like to know how they feel about it. They will probably say, "not great but dont care." Also I dont recall the EPL stopping people from attending majors, dreamhack.. e league, Star ladder.... should I go on ? Time in of itself may be an issue but the calender is pretty saturated. There is no room for much else. The PEA was trying to encroach on someones space in the Calender and I cant believe anyone would fault them with some exclusivity tag for defending their spot. Infact I think players would much rather play fewer big leagues like the EPL. Yes that does lead to issues of a monopolistic nature but that happens in all competitive industries, mature ones atleast. No way around that. I mean come on, sure the EPL is flexing some leverage but again at no point have they said, "YOU MUST PLAY OUR LEAGUE" and go nowhere else. Which is what an exclusive deal is. Not. We have our league at this time, come if you want, here are the benefits of playing with us." Im not sure what better deal there is that what the EPL is offering that exists. IF there is one Id be happy to know about it. People who chose one event over another werent doing it because that league was exclusive, why is that the case now ? Oh its not.. its just "kinda like that" *rolls eyes*. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Also Which is what an exclusive deal is. Not. We have our league at this time, come if you want, here are the benefits of playing with us." When you say that you have no right to participate in another specific league if you participate in EPL, that's still a form of exclusivity. | ||
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