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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Gof
Sweden120 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 17 2015 01:19 ahswtini wrote: Is eco literally run out with starting gear? Don't even buy like p250 or any nades or defuse? It always depends on your money and what your team buys. You have to get a feel for the economy system of the game. For example, losing multiple rounds in a row will reward you more money after each round (everything explained in this picture : http://i.imgur.com/wGSJKl4.png) This is especially important because typically you want to have enough money to afford everything the next round. For example if this is the first round loss in a row, then you don't really want to go below 3000$ in order to afford to buy next round (you'll need more money as CT than T also). If you know you have enough and your team is ecoing, then you can buy a pistol, say the p250. If you have more than enough you may consider buying some nades, eventually armor or a shotgun. You also want to make it very clear to your team when you are ecoing or when your team should be ecoing so that you all eco. Not saying anything is the worse because the next round, some people will have weapons while others won't and you will probably lose a lot of rounds in a row due to the desync between buys and eco across the team. | ||
Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Gof
Sweden120 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 17 2015 01:30 Jer99 wrote: Another question, what does forcebuy mean Forcebuy is when you don't have enough money to full buy (aka rifle, armor and nades) but you still spend all your money because you feel the situation is good to try and win the round. Typically, the second round of a half for the team that lost the first round is often a forcebuy (pistol + armor) because the other team will be prone to use smgs (most of them are bad against armor) and also because even if you lose that round you will have enough money to fully buy in the 4th round after a full eco in the 3th. I always forcebuy in the second round if I lost the first, only exception being if you planted the bomb as T on the first and lost. Then you want to eco in the second and buy in the third. Forcebuy can also often occur when you think you will lose the game if you don't put enough pression on the other team (dropping their guns, force them to spend money) or because you don't want to play for a tie (they have 14 rounds). This often means buying everything you can (armor + galil / famas, armor + pistol etc..) As mentionned above, it is very important to note that as a CT, if you know that the opposing team as a good economy going and that they will have AKs + awp, you can skip the helmet as an headshot will kill you anyway. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On January 17 2015 01:30 Roggay wrote: It always depends on your money and what your team buys. You have to get a feel for the economy system of the game. For example, losing multiple rounds in a row will reward you more money after each round (everything explained in this picture : http://i.imgur.com/wGSJKl4.png) This is especially important because typically you want to have enough money to afford everything the next round. For example if this is the first round loss in a row, then you don't really want to go below 3000$ in order to afford to buy next round (you'll need more money as CT than T also). If you know you have enough and your team is ecoing, then you can buy a pistol, say the p250. If you have more than enough you may consider buying some nades, eventually armor or a shotgun. You also want to make it very clear to your team when you are ecoing or when your team should be ecoing so that you all eco. Not saying anything is the worse because the next round, some people will have weapons while others won't and you will probably lose a lot of rounds in a row due to the desync between buys and eco across the team. Pretty much this. When people say "eco" they usually mean buying at most a pistol, no gear and no nades. Could be a P250 or even a Nova if your money is way better than your team's, but if everyone's ecoing and you're probably better off saving the extra $900 and just going with the P250. If you want to get more nuanced, pretty much do some math and figure out what you can buy that round and still full buy the next. So if you have, say, $2100 and you've lost 5 rounds in a row, that's at least $2100 + $3400 next round for $5500, enough for a full buy as CT. You could do a full save and run with just your P2000/USP to buy all your gear and nades the next round, or you could pick up a P250/5-7/CZ, potentially losing 1-2 nades the next round but getting a better chance chance of dropping some of your opponents' weapons (and making the money back) or even winning the round. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On January 17 2015 02:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It has to be noted that a CT full buy do not normally include head armour since the T side will mostly be armed with the AK or AWP, both of which will kill you in one hit on the head, whether you have head armour or not. Unless they are ecoing or armour/pistol or forcebuying, then you should buy head armour. Less applicable for lower ranked games though? For a full buy, do you get smoke, frag and two flashes? I was told when starting just to prioritise getting a smoke because it's much more important than the others, and more often than not will either get shot holding those grenades, or won't actually affect anyone with them | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 17 2015 03:33 ahswtini wrote: Less applicable for lower ranked games though? For a full buy, do you get smoke, frag and two flashes? I was told when starting just to prioritise getting a smoke because it's much more important than the others, and more often than not will either get shot holding those grenades, or won't actually affect anyone with them Lower ranked games are pretty random so you better play safe yes. Buying helmet is especially important when the Ts are ecoing as you don't want to get one shotted by a glock or when they are tight on money and buying galils (not one shot headshot with helmet). As for the nades, indeed, you always prioritise the smoke for both sides. Very useful to either take a site or lock down one. In MM I usually then take an HE, and then the 2 flashbangs. Flashbangs are most useful when you can coordinate well with your team (flashing for your teammates etc) and when you know very specific pop flashes, so at the lower levels they are oftentime wasted. | ||
Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
On January 17 2015 03:33 ahswtini wrote: Less applicable for lower ranked games though? For a full buy, do you get smoke, frag and two flashes? I was told when starting just to prioritise getting a smoke because it's much more important than the others, and more often than not will either get shot holding those grenades, or won't actually affect anyone with them I consider full buy as the following: Rifle (M4/AK/AWP) Head armour (debatable for CT to not have it, mandatory for T) 4 grenades (personal choice which 4, I normally use 1 smoke, 2 flash, 1 HE grenade) Defuse kit (CT's only) Anything else is really just a partial/force buy. If you have only 3 grenades, sure that can count as a full buy too. And if you're really baller, a different pistol, (p250/CZ/deagle). | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Now, if you're awping, you definitely need a close range side arm in case you lose the range advantage (as the AWP investment is quite expensive) | ||
Christelle
France77 Posts
On January 17 2015 04:12 amazingxkcd wrote: Tacking on to that, only get a pistol if you're awping or are at like $10k+ in which it's a luxury buy. Reason being is that if you haven't already used a full magazine to kill someone in front of you and you're swapping out to pistols, you either already got 2+ kills and basically went nuts or you completely whiffed and should have been killed anyways. Now, if you're awping, you definitely need a close range side arm in case you lose the range advantage (as the AWP investment is quite expensive) Id love to hear what you guys think on a topic concerning luxury purchases. Ive been told by my more succesfull CS:GO-buddies that - as a compliment to the AWP - the CZ > Deagle 100% of the times. Now, I seem to recall that in 1.6 the go-to-combination was pretty much always AWP+Deagle when one had sufficient funds... In CS:GO, although I can see that the AWP and the CZ compliment eachother nicely due to excelling at polar opposite range, I am reluctant towards discarding the Deagle as a poor option in high-economy situations... Anyone willing to help me out here? | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 17 2015 02:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It has to be noted that a CT full buy do not normally include head armour since the T side will mostly be armed with the AK or AWP, both of which will kill you in one hit on the head, whether you have head armour or not. Unless they are ecoing or armour/pistol or forcebuying, then you should buy head armour. I'd say a CT full buy DEFINITELY includes head armor. I've never seen a pro player not buy head armor as CT when they can afford it. It's just something you do when you are strapped on cash late in a half. It usually saves you money since if you buy dont buy head armor and then force the enemy team to eco, you then have to buy head armor and are spending a total of $1650, assuming you were hit and can't upgrade for just $350. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 17 2015 04:33 Christelle wrote: Id love to hear what you guys think on a topic concerning luxury purchases. Ive been told by my more succesfull CS:GO-buddies that - as a compliment to the AWP - the CZ > Deagle 100% of the times. Now, I seem to recall that in 1.6 the go-to-combination was pretty much always AWP+Deagle when one had sufficient funds... In CS:GO, although I can see that the AWP and the CZ compliment eachother nicely due to excelling at polar opposite range, I am reluctant towards discarding the Deagle as a poor option in high-economy situations... Anyone willing to help me out here? Deagle is Terrible in CSGO when compared to the rest of the pistols. I'd even use the CZ over the deagle with its massive nerf as the CZ is still a better gun than the Deagle. If I was awping, i'd just get a p250 since that's the cheapest pistol that has armor penetration | ||
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
On January 17 2015 04:33 Christelle wrote: Id love to hear what you guys think on a topic concerning luxury purchases. Ive been told by my more succesfull CS:GO-buddies that - as a compliment to the AWP - the CZ > Deagle 100% of the times. Now, I seem to recall that in 1.6 the go-to-combination was pretty much always AWP+Deagle when one had sufficient funds... In CS:GO, although I can see that the AWP and the CZ compliment eachother nicely due to excelling at polar opposite range, I am reluctant towards discarding the Deagle as a poor option in high-economy situations... Anyone willing to help me out here? Deagle in CSGO is not the same as the deagle in 1.6. The accuracy and recoil of it is ridiculously different, and more random than in 1.6. At $700, I find people only buy it now when they're super rich ($10k+ after full buy) just to style on opponents, and go for "1 deags", which is the only thing that makes using it rewarding. Other pistol options (p250, $300; CZ, $500 and automatic) are simply just more dependable in terms of accuracy when shooting, and are also cheaper to boot. It always feels like you have more chances of winning the lottery than hitting with the second and third bullets off a deagle. | ||
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Christelle
France77 Posts
On January 17 2015 04:40 amazingxkcd wrote: Deagle is Terrible in CSGO when compared to the rest of the pistols. So I keep being told, and yet I keep seeing all these videos of pros performing wonders with the thing. Granted ofcourse that they're PROS, but what are the arguments behind everyone raving about what a useless gun the Deagle is? Im not trying to be clever here, Im just trying to understand. Seems like an okay gun to me; only downside I see is the outrageous price. Edit: Nagisama provided some clarity. Thx. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 17 2015 04:43 Christelle wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 04:40 amazingxkcd wrote: Deagle is Terrible in CSGO when compared to the rest of the pistols. So I keep being told, and yet I keep seeing all these videos of pros performing wonders with the thing. Granted ofcourse that they're PROS, but what are the arguments behind everyone raving about what a useless gun the Deagle is? Im not trying to be clever here, Im just trying to understand. Seems like an okay gun to me; only downside I see is the outrageous price. all those highlight clips you see are the super race chances of them making it work. For every time that Friberg or Scream gets a juan deag, they'll fail to do any damage with another 20 bullets. As Nagi said, it's purpose is to be flashy in game | ||
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Phyanketto
United States611 Posts
r1 p250 -> r2 (if win) tec9/5-7 (if loss) nothing -> r3 rifle | ||
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