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i was about to say that seanisgrand  ... well Doug Collins says he is excited about getting Bynum on NBC ^^ (no work today so I will be watching the semifinals woot)
And I am gonna go back to what I said just 2 weeks ago (toot my own horn a lil bit) about the Nuggets ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349098¤tpage=58#1157 )
and how nice this deal is for them, yet it doesn't really surprise some of the people who were following their business decisions. Iggy is a nice haul for them and they deserve some credit imo.
edit: @ dgsm...barry's tickets, stubhub, and VIPtickets, are all good places to look if you are looking for specific games. If you have/are willing to spend the money, it shouldn't really be too much of a problem. If you want season tickets, get on the waiting list with the rest of us once you become a so cal resident 
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On August 10 2012 13:44 RowdierBob wrote:
No way Stern can nix this deal. It's actually a good deal for every team bar Orlando (and in a big way).
Stern was in a unique position as owner of the Hornets where he could actually do something but the NBA owns none of these teams involved and must let them act on their own accord--no matter how bad the perceived deal might be. If he were to to veto this deal it would open the NBA to all manner of lawsuits I imagine (ironically, the Lakers could probably invoke antitrust laws on this one).
We all get that, that's not the point. The fact of the matter is Stern veto'ed the CP3 deal for, quote, "basketball reasons", implying it wasn't a good deal overall as far as player value, longevity and skill set. However, as we all know, he was sending a statement to all the league that the league would only accept ridicolous offers, so they could sell the team easier.
Combine that with the ability to fix a 1st overall pick in a year with a very good draft (I'm sorry, but until they do the lottery out in the opening where everyone can see them, it's a fix), and you've successfully managed to not only sell the team, but sell it for nearly double the price it was worth a few weeks before.
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No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team.
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On August 10 2012 15:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I seriously don't know how the NBA salary cap works. The Laker's cap figure next year if this goes down is well above 98 million. How does that even fucking work?
I mean I know you can always make trades but man this is ridiculous. They're bordering on 2 teams worth of salary.
They'll be paying at least $30 million in luxury tax. And, just to add some humor, the Knicks payroll in 05-06 was $124 million. Some competition the Lakers have got.
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On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team.
Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with.
On August 11 2012 01:38 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 15:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I seriously don't know how the NBA salary cap works. The Laker's cap figure next year if this goes down is well above 98 million. How does that even fucking work?
I mean I know you can always make trades but man this is ridiculous. They're bordering on 2 teams worth of salary. They'll be paying at least $30 million in luxury tax. And, just to add some humor, the Knicks payroll in 05-06 was $124 million. Some competition the Lakers have got.
Thankfully the Lakers will net around 150-170 million dollars from their cable deal this year.
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On August 11 2012 02:52 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team. Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with.
Orlando just giving up the best center in the league for close to nothing can be perceived as collusion, just like how LAL got Pau a few years back for (at the time) a much lesser player. Oh and Phoenix traded Nash to LA mainly as a favor to him and got nothing in return.
Definately fair and good business for the league.
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On August 11 2012 02:52 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team. Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with. Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:38 Jerubaal wrote:On August 10 2012 15:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I seriously don't know how the NBA salary cap works. The Laker's cap figure next year if this goes down is well above 98 million. How does that even fucking work?
I mean I know you can always make trades but man this is ridiculous. They're bordering on 2 teams worth of salary. They'll be paying at least $30 million in luxury tax. And, just to add some humor, the Knicks payroll in 05-06 was $124 million. Some competition the Lakers have got. Thankfully the Lakers will net around 150-170 million dollars from their cable deal this year.
I can go both ways with the Heat vs Lakers. Both examples bode ill for the future of the NBA, but you're not going to find 3 stars to play for 19 million all the time. The Lakers will be able to pay $130 million every year. The Heat revealed a flaw in the system that is difficult and controversial (can you and should you control for it?). The CBA is designed to try to stop just such an accumulation of payroll and the Lakers didn't bat an eye.
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I still can't believe we have Kobe, Pau, NASH AND DWIGHT! Holy shit. Holllllyyyyy shittt.
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On August 11 2012 03:04 Kahlgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:52 seanisgrand wrote:On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team. Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with. Orlando just giving up the best center in the league for close to nothing can be perceived as collusion, just like how LAL got Pau a few years back for (at the time) a much lesser player. Oh and Phoenix traded Nash to LA mainly as a favor to him and got nothing in return. Definately fair and good business for the league.
The implication of your post is that the Lakers have plants in all these organizations near the highest level of management in order to facilitate returns for their teams that greatly benefit the Lakers and return "nothing" to their own teams.
The fact is that Phoenix has always been a team that loves to shed salary. Just take a look at the players they have let walk over the years.
The Gasol trade netted much more than nothing for the Grizzlies. Memphis got to rebuild and is doing very well for a small market team to say the least.
The Howard trade is another that affords the Magic the ability to rebuild, and the fact is, multi-team trades usually don't pan out unless each team feels they are benefiting from the trade. To imply that the two other teams outside of Orlando and LA would just get worse in order to help the Lakers get better is a faulty view.
The Lakers are powerful, but only because they can afford to be. Collusion has nothing to do with savvy trades and a patient front office. They could EASILY lose Dwight this offseason and come out with nothing as well, but just like the returns for Orlando, the future and tangibility of benefits cannot be seen yet. Time will tell who won this exchange.
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On August 11 2012 02:52 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team. Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with. Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:38 Jerubaal wrote:On August 10 2012 15:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I seriously don't know how the NBA salary cap works. The Laker's cap figure next year if this goes down is well above 98 million. How does that even fucking work?
I mean I know you can always make trades but man this is ridiculous. They're bordering on 2 teams worth of salary. They'll be paying at least $30 million in luxury tax. And, just to add some humor, the Knicks payroll in 05-06 was $124 million. Some competition the Lakers have got. Thankfully the Lakers will net around 150-170 million dollars from their cable deal this year.
Not to mention the INSANE amount of money the Lakers are going to make this year off of Dwight and Nash Jersey sales.
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Good luck, small market teams. It's a good thing they signed that new CBA, teams will def think twice before going over that oh-so-ominous salary cap!
I thought the Gasol trade in '08 was bad, but this one takes the cake. What a joke, NBA. Long live the Superteam Era!
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On August 11 2012 03:11 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:04 Kahlgar wrote:On August 11 2012 02:52 seanisgrand wrote:On August 11 2012 01:22 Chunhyang wrote:
No one who hated Miami has an honest right to like this Laker team. Except this was a team built through trades and strong front office work, not on supposed "collusion". The players on the Heat chose to all play together no matter the location, whereas the Lakers core, outside of Nash (and Kobe 16 years ago), did not entirely choose on their own where they'd be traded to or play with. Orlando just giving up the best center in the league for close to nothing can be perceived as collusion, just like how LAL got Pau a few years back for (at the time) a much lesser player. Oh and Phoenix traded Nash to LA mainly as a favor to him and got nothing in return. Definately fair and good business for the league. The implication of your post is that the Lakers have plants in all these organizations near the highest level of management in order to facilitate returns for their teams that greatly benefit the Lakers and return "nothing" to their own teams. The fact is that Phoenix has always been a team that loves to shed salary. Just take a look at the players they have let walk over the years. The Gasol trade netted much more than nothing for the Grizzlies. Memphis got to rebuild and is doing very well for a small market team to say the least. The Howard trade is another that affords the Magic the ability to rebuild, and the fact is, multi-team trades usually don't pan out unless each team feels they are benefiting from the trade. To imply that the two other teams outside of Orlando and LA would just get worse in order to help the Lakers get better is a faulty view. The Lakers are powerful, but only because they can afford to be. Collusion has nothing to do with savvy trades and a patient front office. They could EASILY lose Dwight this offseason and come out with nothing as well, but just like the returns for Orlando, the future and tangibility of benefits cannot be seen yet. Time will tell who won this exchange.
Yea it's funny. A few years ago everyone wouldn't shut up about how rigged the NBA was because the Lakers traded for Pau Gasol. You take a look at Memphis now and see how well Marc has matured and how they've built around him and the trade looks almost even in hindsight.
Philadelphia got their hands on Bynum and Denver got Iguodala. Those are both All-Star quality players moving to teams they'll fit great on. The only team that really didn't get anything out of this is Orlando.
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On August 11 2012 03:14 strongwind wrote:
Good luck, small market teams. It's a good thing they signed that new CBA, teams will def think twice before going over that oh-so-ominous salary cap!
I thought the Gasol trade in '08 was bad, but this one takes the cake. What a joke, NBA. Long live the Superteam Era!
The CBA still has a massive effect on the Lakers! They will most definitely avoid the large luxury tax bills of multi-year cap penalties that can be levied. Look at it this way, if Dwight doesn't resign, the Lakers have a grand total of 9.7 million on the books for the 14/15 season outside of a qualifying offer to Eyenga. I don't know the numbers on the incoming contracts from Duhon/Clark but they won't be much added on to that if any depending on their status with the team after this year.
They will completely rebuild around Dwight and a resigned Kobe (at a much smaller yearly thanks to the CBA).
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I don't see how people can accuse the Lakers of collusion or strong-arming other teams. Do they really think the Lakers are like the mob and threaten opposing front offices and team owners to make them accept offers they don't want? Do they really think opposing teams are agreeing behind closed doors to screw themselves in order to help the Lakers? If so, that's quite the conspiracy to allege with no evidence to back it up.
Fact is that the Lakers front office is just really good and has been making the right moves for the most part over the years. The held firm and stood pat when they should have, and made big moves when they should have. Do they have resources that others teams don't have? Sure. I'm not saying that they're the best and smartest organization in the league (other teams have done well with less), but they're clearly one of the better ones who has consistently made savvy decisions that have maximized their resources about as well as anyone in the league.
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Their biggest resource though is the cache of their team and market. Take the same GMs and money and put it in another jersey and city and I don't think they have Shaq and they sure as shit don't have Kobe.
No team was going to make a good offer for Howard because he most likely would have walked and left them with nothing. The Lakers, Nets and possibly the Knicks were the only teams that had any chances of holding onto him.
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Nash is technically still a return from trading Shaq...Bynum was drafted 10th or 11th (i think) and the youngest player ever drafted(17 and something), yet it is hardly mentioned.
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fans rejoice, haters go apeshit
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I don't think anyone doubts how good the Lakers front office is. But how can anyone think this is good for the NBA? I'm sick and tired of seeing the same teams winning every year, and the new CBA was designed to alleviate that. Except the big market teams don't seem to give a crap. I understand why Lebron ran off to create his superteam, because of crap like this. I'm pretty sure he was tired of seeing the same thing happening every year too, so he decided to take it into his own hands.
When you see trades like this happen, it makes all those incremental steps other teams are making to improve seem moot. Good luck trying to topple this team for the next 3 years at least. (And yes, sure, there might be some remote chance that Howard won't re-sign, but who honestly sees this happening? Where is he gonna run to?)
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He will definitely resign. Such a great day.
This is great for the NBA...
And Lakers don't make all the money off the Nash and Howard jerseys btw, the whole league shares the revenue.
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