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On August 11 2012 03:43 strongwind wrote:
I don't think anyone doubts how good the Lakers front office is. But how can anyone think this is good for the NBA? I'm sick and tired of seeing the same teams winning every year, and the new CBA was designed to alleviate that. Except the big market teams don't seem to give a crap. I understand why Lebron ran off to create his superteam, because of crap like this. I'm pretty sure he was tired of seeing the same thing happening every year too, so he decided to take it into his own hands.
When you see trades like this happen, it makes all those incremental steps other teams are making to improve seem moot. Good luck trying to topple this team for the next 3 years at least. (And yes, sure, there might be some remote chance that Howard won't re-sign, but who honestly sees this happening? Where is he gonna run to?)
I mean this is one of main reasons that people were so pissed about what happened in Miami, that it would have a snowball effect on the league as teams did what they had to do to compete.
This is just the prolonged ramification of that. Teams like LA are not just going to sit back and let themselves be dominated, they do what they have to do to keep winning. That's why they have as many titles and all-stars and retired jerseys as they do.
That's also why they have as many fans as they do. the Lakers are truly an organization that understand the concept of "you have to spend money to make money."
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Well Orlando had better offers from Brooklyn, Atlanta & Houston.
They instead opted for a 4 way trade where they give up the best player (future HOF center), miss on the 2 other allstars in the trade and get back a NBA average starter in Afflalo, a bunch of scrubs and fairly worthless picks.
Atlanta/Brooklyn would have given them decent players + picks for the Nets and a legit all star (Horford) for the Hawks and Houston was ready to hand them a ton of promising prospects (perfect for a rebuild) BUTNAAAAH competing with Charlotte for the worst team in the league with no upside is obv way better.
As for Pau, yeah Marc Gasol developed way way better than expected but the 2 brothers at the time were not even close and swapping them was just absurdly good for LAL.
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On August 11 2012 01:07 MassHysteria wrote:edit: @ dgsm...barry's tickets, stubhub, and VIPtickets, are all good places to look if you are looking for specific games. If you have/are willing to spend the money, it shouldn't really be too much of a problem. If you want season tickets, get on the waiting list with the rest of us once you become a so cal resident 
Thanks a lot! This is helpful. I'm looking forward to moving back to LA ^^
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this won't help their transition D, and their bench is still nonexistent. sure they're better, but i don't see why people are saying that spurs and thunder are all of a sudden going to lose to lakers lol
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The lakers won 2 titles with Gasol as their 2nd best player...now he is their 4th best player!!
Muahahaha.
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On August 11 2012 04:21 MassHysteria wrote:
The lakers won 2 titles with Gasol as their 2nd best player...now he is their 4th best player!!
Muahahaha.
He's not near the player he was 3 years ago.
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Afflalos honestly pretty good, great D, very efficient, can see him being an important piece to a championship caliber team but not sure if he still has room to grow as a scorer to carry the load for Orlando. Had him for fantasy last year, thought his %s were a fluke when he was in a long slump but then pretty much went off in the 2nd half of the season.
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Lol the only difference between the lakers and the heat is that the lakers have a ridiculous amount of money at their disposal. "collusion" is just a backstory.
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On August 11 2012 04:18 xianglongfa wrote:
this won't help their transition D, and their bench is still nonexistent. sure they're better, but i don't see why people are saying that spurs and thunder are all of a sudden going to lose to lakers lol
Because they have Nash, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, and MWP and in their starting line up. They signed Antawn Jamison at vet min, and somehow re-signed Jordan Hill, both solid producers off the bench. No need to be in denial.
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On August 11 2012 04:48 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:18 xianglongfa wrote:
this won't help their transition D, and their bench is still nonexistent. sure they're better, but i don't see why people are saying that spurs and thunder are all of a sudden going to lose to lakers lol Because they have Nash, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, and MWP and in their starting line up. They signed Antawn Jamison at vet min, and somehow re-signed Jordan Hill, both solid producers off the bench. No need to be in denial.
No Bynum
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don't know how good this is for the lakers, bynum for howard seems pretty lateral. at least they have their superstar to help nash and kobe prolong their aging until the playoffs, instead of causing grey hairs like bynum must have.
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I don't think it matters as much as getting Gasol back on track. Although you have to hope that Nash alleviates some of that. I don't know how different Bynum and Howard are. Howard, as was noted, should be much less mercurial and more consistent than Bynum.
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Howard is much much better defensively and about the same on offense (but will be more efficient w/ Nash than Bynum would have been).
He also plays a ton of minutes and rarely miss a game while Bynum has already had a lot of knees issues for a 24 years old.
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yea, I'm not saying its a bad deal or anything, I'm just not going nuts until I see them play a game that will actually matter. they were already contenders, at most all this does is make them more contenders.
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Gasol's perceived decline is mega-overstated. This tends to happen as you pull an expert post-scorer and post-passer towards the free throw line and ask him to take 13 footers.
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Howard is more consistent than bynum. Instead of wondering if he will play D on a certain possession, Howard plays D on every possession. Bynum's offense is prettier but he still hasn't reached Howard's numbers, even on what was a bad year for Howard last year. Howard is an upgrade no matter what for me, unless he doesn't recover from injury ofc.
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Their biggest remaining need was for a SG to backup Kobe and someone who could make 3s, and Lakers just signed Jodie Meeks too for 2yr/$3M contract. Man, today just keeps getting better 
PG: Nash, Blake, Duhon, etc.
SG: Kobe, Meeks, etc.
SF: Artest, Ebanks, etc.
PF: Gasol, Jamision, etc.
C: Dwight, Hill, etc.
I like it!
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United States4471 Posts
Also, I don't agree that Dwight for Bynum was a lateral move. Dwight fits the team so much better as a low-usage, super-athletic and quick defender and rebounder. Bynum was more gifted in post offense and from mid-range, but the Lakers don't need that nearly as much.
Dwight will cover for Nash's defensive weaknesses, make up for Kobe's tendency to cheat on defense, allow Artest to really body up and get in opponent's faces on defense (which he prefers and is best at), and allow Gasol to guard the less athletic big on the other team. He won't plug up the paint like Bynum did on offense because his points will come off of passes and cutting, and not slowly backing someone down. The general boost in athleticism and speed cannot be understated for a Lakers team that looked slow and old last season.
We still don't know how all the pieces are going to mesh and get along, but I'm confident Nash will at least find a way to keep everyone happy. Kobe pushing for the Nash deal also gives me hope that he'll be more willing to concede a bit and operate off of the ball more. Just a lot of potential for Lakers fans to be happy about
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That team is way better than what lakers had last year, and anyone who doesn't think so is insane. I'm guessing it's also not gonna have nearly as much issues as miami did when they got together. The pieces just seem so much easier to fit together any way you look at it.
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