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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:45 RowdierBob wrote: All I remember is McGee getting abused by Bynum. Another overpaid, soft big. Is there anyone you don't think is overrated/overpaid and soft? :x McGee is a great center for 11m/year, and its nice he is finally within a basketball program that doesn't suck. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:36 Ace wrote: If your team if full of young and underdeveloped players then 8th seed means trouble in the future for the other teams. Look at Indiana. Or the Thunder a couple years ago. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Everyone else thinks it's a hilarious deal. Wizards fans just snort. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
Sources confirm @JRudolphSports report that Dwight Howard is ready to join Lakers. If traded to LA DH will re-sign long-term with team Looks like most likely deal then is Bynum to the Cavs, Varejao + draft picks to the Magic, and D12 to the Lakers. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:11 slyboogie wrote: That...is a solid trade. Though, if the Cavs weren't terrible drafters they wouldn't need to make this move =( Not really sure what you mean by this. I mean, it's not like there are any other players in the league right now that are comparable to Bynum and none thus far that show that level of potential to my knowledge. It's generally a solid strategy to get an Allstar-level center whenever one becomes available no matter how good your team is simply because they are extremely rare and are usually only obtainable through luck in the lottery (i.e. Duncan and D12). Bynum has his issues, but he is an extremely valuable asset in the NBA as a potential 20/10/2 center with sophisticated post offense and physical gifts that come along once every few years (if even that). Players like that go a long way to making you a contender because they can dominate the paint on both ends of the floor, and I would think that most of the teams in the NBA would trade for him if they could. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13406 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:58 Holcan wrote: Is there anyone you don't think is overrated/overpaid and soft? :x McGee is a great center for 11m/year, and its nice he is finally within a basketball program that doesn't suck. I'm a soft bballer--I know how to spot one  Plenty of guys I don't think are soft! I think I've called out Bargs, Lopez and now McGee in recent time. Does anyone think those guys aren't soft?! | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
actual j. rudoph report. Finally going down though. Some legit sources said it was happening to LA for sure, even said that prob by wednesday night and they were right finally. Too bad I didn't believe anything by then. Good trades for all teams. Orlando can also flip Varejao for another pick and tally them up more. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:06 itkovian wrote: I know this is late, but still- man will it be cool to see Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen playing on the same team again! Reminds of the days when they played together on the sonics... but this time they'll be role players rather than focal points. Indeed. It'll be interesting. Also interesting that Lin is going to the Rockets. I'm sure it has already been discussed to death, but I think it's pretty interesting especially since they had Yao Ming before etc etc  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
starting line up of Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Metta World Peace? That's just a ridiculous fucking line up. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: not sure how varejao is an asset of any kind? Varejao is a very solid PF/C when healthy. Great rebounder, solid defender, and is pretty crafty at scoring as well. Good enough to start on a contender IMO with what he brings to the table, although you wouldn't want him to be anything more than your 4th or 5th option on offense. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:50 Vindicare605 wrote: I'm still not on the "Lakers need Dwight!" bandwagon but if that deal actually goes through I won't be able to help the fact that I'll be excited. starting line up of Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Metta World Peace? That's just a ridiculous fucking line up. One of the best parts about D12 would be that his presence would go a long way to making up for Nash's defensive deficiencies. He'd also let Kobe and Artest body up and pressure opposing wings without fear of being beat off the dribble. They might actually be able to turn a lineup that includes Nash into one of the top defensive lineups. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:22 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Not really sure what you mean by this. I mean, it's not like there are any other players in the league right now that are comparable to Bynum and none thus far that show that level of potential to my knowledge. It's generally a solid strategy to get an Allstar-level center whenever one becomes available no matter how good your team is simply because they are extremely rare and are usually only obtainable through luck in the lottery (i.e. Duncan and D12). Bynum has his issues, but he is an extremely valuable asset in the NBA as a potential 20/10/2 center with sophisticated post offense and physical gifts that come along once every few years (if even that). Players like that go a long way to making you a contender because they can dominate the paint on both ends of the floor, and I would think that most of the teams in the NBA would trade for him if they could. Their front court would have Jonas Valanciunas and Thomas Robinson. They wouldn't need to prematurely "go off" with this trade for an expiring contract that, even if they're lucky enough to keep, will eat about 16 million a year. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:37 TieN.nS) wrote: Guess Dwight's finally decided to join the Lakers... maybe? https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/225840521531232256 Looks like most likely deal then is Bynum to the Cavs, Varejao + draft picks to the Magic, and D12 to the Lakers. I hate to be a negative nancy here, but it really rankles me that there are obvious non-market reasons for these trade scenarios. In what world is Bynum equivalent to Howard? Or, put another way, why aren't the Cavs getting Howard? Even if they aren't able/willing to take on his contract, Houston certainly was and had a better trade piece (imo) in Scola. This is just something I can't get over. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: not sure how varejao is an asset of any kind? If you mean to ORL, he will be nothing more than someone they are looking to trade for some more picks in 3 months. Like has been said, he could be of use to a contender in the hunt or for a team looking to shed salary in the offseason next year. On July 19 2012 23:31 Jerubaal wrote: I hate to be a negative nancy here, but it really rankles me that there are obvious non-market reasons for these trade scenarios. In what world is Bynum equivalent to Howard? Or, put another way, why aren't the Cavs getting Howard? Even if they aren't able/willing to take on his contract, Houston certainly was and had a better trade piece (imo) in Scola. This is just something I can't get over. Lol are you anything but a negative nancy in here? Because Cleveland knows that Howard won't re-sign there?? Bynum listed CLE as one of the top places he would look at when he became a FA, so it does make sense. And if you think Scola is a better trade piece than Bynum, we have nothing to discuss. I like Scola, but we need to keep it real if you are saying "better trade piece" than Bynum. edit: if you meant better than varejao, then I don't think ORL cared too much about that side of things. Scola has 3 years left on his contract as opposed to 1, and ORL also gets more picks by trading to CLE, and they get to trade Varejao for another one later on. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:48 MassHysteria wrote: If you mean to ORL, he will be nothing more than someone they are looking to trade for some more picks in 3 months. Like has been said, he could be of use to a contender in the hunt or for a team looking to shed salary in the offseason next year. Lol are you anything but a negative nancy in here? Because Cleveland knows that Howard won't re-sign there?? Bynum listed CLE as one of the top places he would look at when he became a FA, so it does make sense. And if you think Scola is a better trade piece than Bynum, we have nothing to discuss. I like Scola, but we need to keep it real if you are saying "better trade piece" than Bynum. I speak truth to power. :p Bold is the 'non-market reasons' I speak of. And I meant that Scola was a better trade piece than Varejao. I don't know if I have a specific problem with players trying to manipulate what teams they go to, but in the broader picture it just guarantees that certain teams/markets will always have an advantage and the preponderance of championships will go to these teams. It doesn't seem like a level playing field to me. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
And well ya to your 'non-market reasons', but I mean where have you been the last few years? I guess you were just expressing your dislike so apologies but then it also answered your next question of "why are the Cavs getting Howard?" which is why I thought you didn't realize that. I don't know if I have a specific problem with players trying to manipulate what teams they go to, but in the broader picture it just guarantees that certain teams/markets will always have an advantage and the preponderance of championships will go to these teams. It doesn't seem like a level playing field to me. I agree to an extent jerubaal, but saying championships will go to these teams is simply not true. If so, the Knicks would be up there with the Lakers and they haven't been relevant in almost 20 years. The NBA will always have powerhouses imo, just because of the nature of things and certain markets. Players always want to go play for the powerhouses, etc. so they do have an advantage there, but that doesn't mean it isn't necessarily a level playing field. Teams need to adapt their strategy to their situation, and get a little lucky such as OKC, SA, or MIA of current times. Just because these teams can get "star" players or have more money, does not guarantee it to be a better team. The NBA is largely about the more stars you have, the better the team you are, but it is not a guarantee to get you to the ship.And even so, I will probably get some heat for this, but what is wrong with there being some powerhouses in the sport (not asking you, but everyone in general)? It doesn't hurt the game in any way that teams in NY or LA have more to spend. Why do a ratio of 30,000 people in oklahoma city have an equal voice to 3 million people in NY? An exaggeration, but you get my point. It doesn't hurt the storyline that there are underdogs that can beat the big, bad wolf. Even so, people have to give time to the new CBA to really kick in. It will be another 4 years before we can really see the effects of it. When the luxury tax starts compounding and etc is when we will see how things have changed in the way teams do business. For example, we are already seeing less and less of a free agency. Teams are under increased pressure to trade before contracts now (like you have said) and FA is really thinning down b/c of this. Next year, teams over the cap won't be able to do sign and trades as easily, so it adds even furter hurdles. A time of change somewhat. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Maybe they were forced to, but the Magic basically traded their dollar for 4 dimes. | ||
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