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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
February 12 2013 23:57 GMT
#21
What does this have to do with DND at all? Throwing weapons doing 100+ dmg? Oh, please.

Too bad DDO is so cumbersome to do anything in, I would love if that game got modernized a bit, at least it TRIES to do DND properly. Also, eberron sucks compared to FR :/
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 00:21:35
February 13 2013 00:21 GMT
#22
This has as much to do with DnD or NWN as GW2 would have if you just changed all nametags to DnD.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
February 13 2013 00:43 GMT
#23
I don't see how this has anything to do with nwn. Looks like just another generic mmo with slightly more action oriented combat.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 13 2013 08:38 GMT
#24
On February 13 2013 08:57 Audemed wrote:
What does this have to do with DND at all? Throwing weapons doing 100+ dmg? Oh, please.

Too bad DDO is so cumbersome to do anything in, I would love if that game got modernized a bit, at least it TRIES to do DND properly. Also, eberron sucks compared to FR :/

This is based on 4e dnd, the guy is lvl 16 and rogues do biggest single target damage. Also in 4e you don't get extra attacks but those do lots of damage.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 13 2013 09:08 GMT
#25
I was completely uninterested in this (So many MMOs, so little time, so many of them extremely disappointing) but something Rock, Paper, Shotgun wrote made me quite interested in testing it out. They basically siad that for the first time in a long time, we here have a completely standard MMO done right, which gives a similar feeling to how WoW felt when it was released.

IMO, that's what we need. People can say whatever about WoW and everything being a WoW copy, but fact remains WoW is still the best MMO on the market and nothing really comes close in pure quality. Yeah, GW2 has some cute new ideas, but the game is still boring as hell. TERA has cool combat, but the characters, the story... it's terrible. WoW just did everything right, keeping it basic but well-done. It's old now, but I still have more fun playing WoW for a few hours than pretty much any other MMO ever released.

This is what companies need to do: Find what's actually fun in an MMO and focus on it 100%... not coming up with ridiculous gimmicks which become old in seconds.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 10:06:24
February 13 2013 10:06 GMT
#26
WTF, these guys are crazy. They ask you to pay minimal of 60$ and then you can be part of beta but only on two weekends LOL. And this is supposed to be F2P?! If this is how they handle beta, I can only imagine the amount of P2W items that will be in their microtransaction shops.
It seems this will be another game I will be avoiding like a plague...
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 13 2013 10:36 GMT
#27
On February 13 2013 19:06 -Archangel- wrote:
WTF, these guys are crazy. They ask you to pay minimal of 60$ and then you can be part of beta but only on two weekends LOL. And this is supposed to be F2P?! If this is how they handle beta, I can only imagine the amount of P2W items that will be in their microtransaction shops.
It seems this will be another game I will be avoiding like a plague...

I agree the founder prices are ridiculous, but your post sort of misrepresents it since those 60$ mainly get you other things, the beta weekends are just a very minor aspect of that price.

Still, the one thing which is worth being cautious about is the P2W aspect. I don't remember where, but I found some place where I read something insinuating that you can actually buy items to get advantages, which is always terrible.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
February 13 2013 10:51 GMT
#28
That would go from having the game be interesting and having potential to instantly disastrously terrible. Hope that isn't true.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 13 2013 11:26 GMT
#29
On February 13 2013 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 19:06 -Archangel- wrote:
WTF, these guys are crazy. They ask you to pay minimal of 60$ and then you can be part of beta but only on two weekends LOL. And this is supposed to be F2P?! If this is how they handle beta, I can only imagine the amount of P2W items that will be in their microtransaction shops.
It seems this will be another game I will be avoiding like a plague...

I agree the founder prices are ridiculous, but your post sort of misrepresents it since those 60$ mainly get you other things, the beta weekends are just a very minor aspect of that price.

Still, the one thing which is worth being cautious about is the P2W aspect. I don't remember where, but I found some place where I read something insinuating that you can actually buy items to get advantages, which is always terrible.

99% of people only care about access to beta, so all these other stuff is only here to justify 60$ price. And that only makes them look bad and idiots. Path of Exile done a smart thing by letting you play 10$ and get a beta key.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35164 Posts
February 26 2013 06:41 GMT
#30
I'll be following this, loved the hell out of NWN.
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
March 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#31
I think the game looks decent! The first dungeon seems pretty good compared to the first dungeon in other MMOs. The combat system looks alright as well.

However, I'm not sure any MMO can match enjoyment I'm getting out of Tera Online, since it recently went F2P
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 04 2013 20:26 GMT
#32
On February 13 2013 08:57 Audemed wrote:
What does this have to do with DND at all? Throwing weapons doing 100+ dmg? Oh, please.



I know, it's ridiculous. High-end damage from thrown weapons should be expressable only in Knuth's up-arrow notation.
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 21:36:22
March 04 2013 21:33 GMT
#33
Once again the gaming industry try to capitalize on uncreative, dumbed down game design that quite frankly should be insulting to any gamer above the age of 2.

Its quite frankly mind blowing what has happen to gaming the last 10 years. What does it say when a paper game made 25 years ago got more depth then today´s AAA titles? Long gone are the glorious days of pc-gaming that created games like Baldurs gate I&2 icewind dale 1&2.

The only game company in recent years in my memory who actually tried to make a prober game that doesn't treat gamers like complete retards is GGG and there path of exile game

I for certain would not even look back on this trash they call NVN online

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 05 2013 06:27 GMT
#34
Having Need/Greed items be unidentified is a terrible fucking idea. If nobody knows what the stats of the item are, except whether or not your class can use it, then why the hell would you even allow somebody to roll for it if they can't use it and don't know what it is? Plus, how can we fairly roll for something if we don't know the stats? What if I already have the item and the other cleric doesn't, yet I win it b/c I didn't know what it was?

That def. needs to change before launch.
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 06:57:33
March 05 2013 06:56 GMT
#35
On March 05 2013 06:33 Benjamin99 wrote:
Once again the gaming industry try to capitalize on uncreative, dumbed down game design that quite frankly should be insulting to any gamer above the age of 2.

Its quite frankly mind blowing what has happen to gaming the last 10 years. What does it say when a paper game made 25 years ago got more depth then today´s AAA titles? Long gone are the glorious days of pc-gaming that created games like Baldurs gate I&2 icewind dale 1&2.

The only game company in recent years in my memory who actually tried to make a prober game that doesn't treat gamers like complete retards is GGG and there path of exile game

I for certain would not even look back on this trash they call NVN online



Just out of curiosity, why the hostility? I haven't been following this game much, but everything I've seen so far seems acceptable for a F2P MMO. I was never into DnD, but I loved forgotten realms novels and Icewind Dale 1&2 and thought that if they pull off the world and character integration properly this could be a game I'd try.

With minor exceptions things I've seen so far are pretty reasonable. The engine looks solid, I like the more action oriented feel and what they've done with mouse movement. The combat doesn't appear to be too floaty. And I like the Diablo-eqsue gold explosions when you kill mobs.

This game will hinge on what their monetary policy is. No matter how much good there is or how well they represent Forgotten Realms/DnD, it can all be ruined rather easily if they aren't very careful about pay 2 win.
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
March 05 2013 07:26 GMT
#36
On March 05 2013 15:56 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:33 Benjamin99 wrote:
Once again the gaming industry try to capitalize on uncreative, dumbed down game design that quite frankly should be insulting to any gamer above the age of 2.

Its quite frankly mind blowing what has happen to gaming the last 10 years. What does it say when a paper game made 25 years ago got more depth then today´s AAA titles? Long gone are the glorious days of pc-gaming that created games like Baldurs gate I&2 icewind dale 1&2.

The only game company in recent years in my memory who actually tried to make a prober game that doesn't treat gamers like complete retards is GGG and there path of exile game

I for certain would not even look back on this trash they call NVN online



Just out of curiosity, why the hostility? I haven't been following this game much, but everything I've seen so far seems acceptable for a F2P MMO. I was never into DnD, but I loved forgotten realms novels and Icewind Dale 1&2 and thought that if they pull off the world and character integration properly this could be a game I'd try.

With minor exceptions things I've seen so far are pretty reasonable. The engine looks solid, I like the more action oriented feel and what they've done with mouse movement. The combat doesn't appear to be too floaty. And I like the Diablo-eqsue gold explosions when you kill mobs.

This game will hinge on what their monetary policy is. No matter how much good there is or how well they represent Forgotten Realms/DnD, it can all be ruined rather easily if they aren't very careful about pay 2 win.


Because every time I see a new pc title l8tly its all the same. Clones of each other. multi-platform, multi-dlc, multi-crap. logical thinking,learning, challenging gone out the window. Btw this game almost look identical to guild wars 2 another dumbed down shadow of its former self. You ask why the hostility?
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SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
March 05 2013 07:44 GMT
#37
On February 13 2013 18:08 Tobberoth wrote:
I was completely uninterested in this (So many MMOs, so little time, so many of them extremely disappointing) but something Rock, Paper, Shotgun wrote made me quite interested in testing it out. They basically siad that for the first time in a long time, we here have a completely standard MMO done right, which gives a similar feeling to how WoW felt when it was released.

IMO, that's what we need. People can say whatever about WoW and everything being a WoW copy, but fact remains WoW is still the best MMO on the market and nothing really comes close in pure quality. Yeah, GW2 has some cute new ideas, but the game is still boring as hell. TERA has cool combat, but the characters, the story... it's terrible. WoW just did everything right, keeping it basic but well-done. It's old now, but I still have more fun playing WoW for a few hours than pretty much any other MMO ever released.

This is what companies need to do: Find what's actually fun in an MMO and focus on it 100%... not coming up with ridiculous gimmicks which become old in seconds.


...That's really not what companies need to do. Defining "fun" is nigh on impossible, because people aren't formulas to slot numbers into. You want to see an example of a company identifying what's fun in a game and then focusing on it 100% take a look at Diablo 3.

Best way to make anything is to put passion and love into it. The rest comes along for the ride. I fucking hate developers who make something on the premise of "people like this, so I'll make this." That mentality is exactly what ruined the gaming industry. Developers need to emphasize their own personal vision, what THEY think is fun, and distill that down to its purest essence. If the masses knew best, then the masses could invent their own games. What good is an expert if all he/she does is listen to the commoners?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 08 2013 16:17 GMT
#38
On March 05 2013 16:44 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 18:08 Tobberoth wrote:
I was completely uninterested in this (So many MMOs, so little time, so many of them extremely disappointing) but something Rock, Paper, Shotgun wrote made me quite interested in testing it out. They basically siad that for the first time in a long time, we here have a completely standard MMO done right, which gives a similar feeling to how WoW felt when it was released.

IMO, that's what we need. People can say whatever about WoW and everything being a WoW copy, but fact remains WoW is still the best MMO on the market and nothing really comes close in pure quality. Yeah, GW2 has some cute new ideas, but the game is still boring as hell. TERA has cool combat, but the characters, the story... it's terrible. WoW just did everything right, keeping it basic but well-done. It's old now, but I still have more fun playing WoW for a few hours than pretty much any other MMO ever released.

This is what companies need to do: Find what's actually fun in an MMO and focus on it 100%... not coming up with ridiculous gimmicks which become old in seconds.


...That's really not what companies need to do. Defining "fun" is nigh on impossible, because people aren't formulas to slot numbers into. You want to see an example of a company identifying what's fun in a game and then focusing on it 100% take a look at Diablo 3.

Best way to make anything is to put passion and love into it. The rest comes along for the ride. I fucking hate developers who make something on the premise of "people like this, so I'll make this." That mentality is exactly what ruined the gaming industry. Developers need to emphasize their own personal vision, what THEY think is fun, and distill that down to its purest essence. If the masses knew best, then the masses could invent their own games. What good is an expert if all he/she does is listen to the commoners?

Masses invented DotA & CS. You're right, it's all about passion. There are more & more indy games which are really great, way betetr than EA/blizzard's ones.

Concerning the game it seems no one tested it here.

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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 08 2013 17:04 GMT
#39
Know what this game has that most mmos launching don't? Responsiveness when you hit a button. That's literally something that will make me pick up a game and immediately drop it. When I hit a button for an instant attack I want to see something immediately. That's the thing that kept me in wow. It looks like this game has that, too. I won't be playing because I just don't have the time to sink into mmos anymore, but if I was to see this game when I was younger I would have played it and probably enjoyed it.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
March 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#40
On February 13 2013 18:08 Tobberoth wrote:
I was completely uninterested in this (So many MMOs, so little time, so many of them extremely disappointing) but something Rock, Paper, Shotgun wrote made me quite interested in testing it out. They basically siad that for the first time in a long time, we here have a completely standard MMO done right, which gives a similar feeling to how WoW felt when it was released.

IMO, that's what we need. People can say whatever about WoW and everything being a WoW copy, but fact remains WoW is still the best MMO on the market and nothing really comes close in pure quality. Yeah, GW2 has some cute new ideas, but the game is still boring as hell. TERA has cool combat, but the characters, the story... it's terrible. WoW just did everything right, keeping it basic but well-done. It's old now, but I still have more fun playing WoW for a few hours than pretty much any other MMO ever released.

This is what companies need to do: Find what's actually fun in an MMO and focus on it 100%... not coming up with ridiculous gimmicks which become old in seconds.


The best thing on WoW always was how fluid the combat was (sync of skill with combat log, etc) in my opinion. The reason i loved vanilla (and hated subsequent expansions) is because it also had the feeling of a sandbox mmo, even when being a themepark. That's something most games fail to achieve now, or they just don't try because they prefer to give better accessability to casual (teleports, groupfinders, crossrealm, etc...).

Or atleast, it's my opinion on the subject.
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