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On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D
And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time.
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On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time.
In D2 most of the times you deleted your wrong specced character. Even though you could have infinite accounts. The only problem with MMO's like this is: Gear SB on use. I hate that.
That being said: In MMO's with dungeons und pvp based on skill synergie's I'm totally against any form of paid respec (not even ingame currency). GW1 (not a MMO though) did it right, both skill synergy and free respec.
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On May 15 2013 19:51 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time. In D2 most of the times you deleted your wrong specced character. Even though you could have infinite accounts. The only problem with MMO's like this is: Gear SB on use. I hate that. That being said: In MMO's with dungeons und pvp based on skill synergie's I'm totally against any form of paid respec (not even ingame currency). GW1 (not a MMO though) did it right, both skill synergy and free respec.
In D2 you could reach the desirable level (80+) in under 3 hours with dia/baalruns, and you could save all your gear.
Edit: Damn I miss the old D2 times *-* <333333
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If you really push it leveling can go pretty fast.
And making AD right now is not that hard once you got a group together and can reliably kill T2 dungeons or just grind PvP if you are into that (or lack a group and dont want to look for one) - the price for a PvP item might have dropped from ~100k to ~50k AD but sell 4 of those and you can pay for a respec.
People complaining about the game being pay to win usually haven't looked at the actual in game economics at level 60.
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Did they fix the thing where you could max level in 1 hour?
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I believe they've implemented patches addressing the pirate quest share exploit and the foundry ogre grinds. I haven't tested firsthand whether or not they're actually fixed though.
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Im waiting for them to fix the mountain walk in Pirate dungeon. That thing makes the pirate T2 dungeon the fastest run bar none. Especially combined with blowing them off the platforms insta-deaths.
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On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time.
Well then, you must have also hated Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I would bet you hate Path of Exile as well then. I don't play much MMORPGs, but I am used from these aRPG games that free respecs are a no-no.
Not to mention you can use AD to get enough Zen to respec.
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Does a respec token grant you the ability to respec starting attributes aswell (the dice rolling). I doubt it does but can someone clarify that for me pls.
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On May 16 2013 03:02 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time. Well then, you must have also hated Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I would bet you hate Path of Exile as well then. I don't play much MMORPGs, but I am used from these aRPG games that free respecs are a no-no. Not to mention you can use AD to get enough Zen to respec.
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 weren´t MMORPGs, where you can save gear or not play hardcore. But you are right, D1 and D2 were games i played a few weeks and then went to my beloved Ultima Online and Everquest. If you think D1-2 are close to what an MMORPG is i don´t know what else should we argue about.
And about zen and AD, we are back to score 1 before you pointed out the "what if you play this MMORPG like an ARPG ... because!" Read again.
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On May 16 2013 03:33 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:02 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time. Well then, you must have also hated Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I would bet you hate Path of Exile as well then. I don't play much MMORPGs, but I am used from these aRPG games that free respecs are a no-no. Not to mention you can use AD to get enough Zen to respec. Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 weren´t MMORPGs, where you can save gear or not play hardcore. But you are right, D1 and D2 were games i played a few weeks and then went to my beloved Ultima Online and Everquest. If you think D1-2 are close to what an MMORPG is i don´t know what else should we argue about. And about zen and AD, we are back to score 1 before you pointed out the "what if you play this MMORPG like an ARPG ... because!" Read again.
Actually I think best MMO are still worse then an average aRPG and anything new MMOs can take from aRPG will make it a better game.
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On May 16 2013 03:39 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:33 Godwrath wrote:On May 16 2013 03:02 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 18:32 Godwrath wrote:On May 15 2013 18:24 TOCHMY wrote:On May 15 2013 18:15 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 15:17 -Archangel- wrote:On May 15 2013 15:03 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 15 2013 14:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you could start a new char once you know how to make it properly?! Totally free respec that way. Given that 1) The game just hit open beta and 2) Many of the feats/paragon powers/regular stats are very ambiguous or just straight up wrong with descriptions they're fucking themselves over very hard. The best way to min max isn't to sit there with a pen and paper. It's to actually make the build and test it. A lot of people like to explore different builds for one reason or another. This is just a stupid way for them to make money. And you got 3 options: 1) Old school (Diablo 2): Create a new char and this time take all the right feats and powers 2) Grind Astral Diamonds 3) Pay real money. 4) Voice your concerns. Like every other person ever with a product. Now I've played enough PWE games to know the prices won't change and will probably actually go up. I know they don't give a shit about their games because they release a new one every 2 years. However that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a stupid decision. "Go play a different game" is actually a terrible view to have. I'm sure that's what the developers had in mind when they made that system, yeah? They're trying to make you pay to figure out builds, we're forced to try things that just might fail. Then you're stuck grinding for hours, rerolling, or in most cases leaving the game. The PVP isn't keeping people around. The PVE isn't with the dungeon finder being dumb. They really shouldn't have more reasons for people to leave. I wouldn't actually have an issue with paying if shit like a bag wasn't 10 fucking dollars. Not to mention, creating new characters will require you to delete your currenct character(s) if you don't want to pay for more char slots :D And gear progression, etc etc... i thought Archangel was being sarcastic with that one, but his later answer is just the biggest nonsense i had read on a long time. Well then, you must have also hated Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I would bet you hate Path of Exile as well then. I don't play much MMORPGs, but I am used from these aRPG games that free respecs are a no-no. Not to mention you can use AD to get enough Zen to respec. Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 weren´t MMORPGs, where you can save gear or not play hardcore. But you are right, D1 and D2 were games i played a few weeks and then went to my beloved Ultima Online and Everquest. If you think D1-2 are close to what an MMORPG is i don´t know what else should we argue about. And about zen and AD, we are back to score 1 before you pointed out the "what if you play this MMORPG like an ARPG ... because!" Read again. Actually I think best MMO are still worse then an average aRPG and anything new MMOs can take from aRPG will make it a better game.
They are different genres, they work differently and catter to different people. I am pretty sure you are on the minority there when it comes to persistent worlds and your thoughts on how people should just re-do characters. If i would get any close to discuss this, i would go exactly to the oppossite, they need to go away the crappy instanced MCmenu where you farm your MCdailies then do some MCdungeons to at last do some MCraids and grind grind grind nonsense for drops with no intrinsic values for a self-driven community but the carrot. And aRPGs are the epytome of random carrots on a stick.
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On May 16 2013 03:29 Scio wrote:
Does a respec token grant you the ability to respec starting attributes aswell (the dice rolling). I doubt it does but can someone clarify that for me pls.
No, you are stuck with your base stat rolls but can change the which stats you raised at 10, 20, etc.... Respec token also includes powers and feats if it hasn't been said.
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Retrain is not really affordable for casual players
I play maybe 10 hours a week, probably less and i really don't wanna waste this time grinding for ADs. A complete reroll is not an option, for the same obvious reasons.
I started a GF because i like to be tanky and since i had no idea about the game the skills i have chosen are not the best and make my GF pretty much unplayable at the moment. this really pisses me off and i think about quiting and i can imagine i'm not the only one
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Started playing Neverwinter last week. Pretty good for a F2P - decent graphics (even on my underpowered machine), gameplay feels less button-mashy and more active than most other MMOs I've played, World Design is good (no endless walking like WoW used to have - zones are intelligently mapped out). Class Balance in PvE is a little iffy (Rogues make other DDs look useless, Wizards can at least CC stuff, Great Weapon Fighters get the shaft), PVP is pretty broken (2 Clerics, fill up with Rogues or Wizards). Dungeons look pretty good, though bossfights can get repetitive (dodge the red areas, kill adds, rinse repeat). The pay content doesn't even look unreachable - just need some grinding, smart use of the auction house and some speculating on the "stock market" (AD to Zen/Zen to AD market)
Funny enough, today the economy crashed. Yep, you didn't misread. Exploits that have been abused since the closed beta have been made public, people generated Astral Diamonds (currency used for the Auction House,can be converted into the money-equivalent) by typing negative value into the AH website interface. Yeah, the game developers were that stupid. Queue people running around with billions of Diamonds, millions of money equivalent. Some immediately set to buying out the Auction House and distributing their new-found wealth among mules and friends, while others distributed Cats (a sought-after pet) amongst innocent bystanders in Protector's Enclave. Game's screwed, economy is in shambles, servers are down for now.
Sadly, PWE won't wipe and seemingly doesn't even want to roll-back - instead, they're banning everyone with suspicious amounts of currency. Funny enough there isn't too big an outcry from all those who invested money into the game - they're hit the hardest, because their investment is basically worthless now.
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On May 20 2013 08:50 DragoonTT wrote:
Funny enough, today the economy crashed. Yep, you didn't misread. Exploits that have been abused since the closed beta have been made public, people generated Astral Diamonds (currency used for the Auction House,can be converted into the money-equivalent) by typing negative value into the AH website interface. Yeah, the game developers were that stupid. Queue people running around with billions of Diamonds, millions of money equivalent.
What the FUCK
Between this incredible stupidity and the developer's apparently blatant money-grab attempts (and I speak as someone who has spent money in the past on F2P MMOs in order to save time) I am not touching this game or any of the other games they make with a 10 foot pole
*edit* And I really wanted some sort of DnD MMO - been looking for basically a newer version of NWN. Thanks for reporting this though
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RIFT going f2p June 12th....
Just throwing that out there... :D
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On May 20 2013 09:54 Capped wrote:
RIFT going f2p June 12th....
Just throwing that out there... :D
Oh! I might check that out!
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Yeah I think I'm done with this game for now, going to wait for Rift on June 12th.
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Too bad about this game, had so much potential, but the developer/publisher just screwed it up royally. No char wipe and just seven hours rollback means the worst abusers (those who did it since beta started) get away untouched, and large parts of the bugged currency will now probably flood the servers.
Anyone got a replacement F2P game? Really liked the model here where you have access to all content and, eventually, even to almost all items without having to spend...Probably can't run Rift, already had problems with Neverwinter when the screen got too crowded. (and it seems like the promotion to get the expansion for free ran out, so even if it goes F2P you still miss out on content...)
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