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Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
September 28 2012 00:20 GMT
#121
Sometimes RNG in this game is funny. Playing Kestrel B type (the one with 4 basic lasers as starter), first event gives me Weapon Pre Igniter (all your stuff is charged at start of fight). I'm like ok, this will be catwalk. Yeah, no. Till sector 6 i haven't found ANY weapon apart of 2 bad rockets. Shops were full of crewmembers and drones, but weapons, nah.

Bought 2 Burst Lasers before end boss and my mantis crew was op, but wow RNG is RNG.

Still best 10 euro i've spend on game since long time.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 28 2012 03:41 GMT
#122
I'm waiting for someone to come up with AI mod that fights with actual strategy, it will be dubbed 'hardcore' mode and no one will be ever able to beat it.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
September 28 2012 15:51 GMT
#123
Can anybody explain to me what I'm supposed to do against the second incarnation of the boss??? (with the drones)

4 straight times that thing has just buttraped me mercilessly. I beat the first incarnation without taking a single hit and yet this one just kills me in a second.

I use double DEFII drones and yet i still end up with like 2 assault drones and 8 breaches in my deck simultaneously
and then there's like a power surge and four thousand attack droids are on me and every single system is failing and I go from 100% oxygen to -50% in 20 seconds because of the aforementioned breaches.

I try to fight the assault drones with my (maxed out) mantis dudes but HURR there's no air so I can't do anything

I just don't get what tactic you're supposed to use with the boss.

Even when I take out the drone control with my missiles I still get those random 5 or so drones attacking me.
: o )
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 28 2012 15:52 GMT
#124
Cloak makes you immune to all the drones, use it during power surges and GG
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 28 2012 15:53 GMT
#125
On September 29 2012 00:51 ShloobeR wrote:
Can anybody explain to me what I'm supposed to do against the second incarnation of the boss??? (with the drones)

4 straight times that thing has just buttraped me mercilessly. I beat the first incarnation without taking a single hit and yet this one just kills me in a second.

I use double DEFII drones and yet i still end up with like 2 assault drones and 8 breaches in my deck simultaneously
and then there's like a power surge and four thousand attack droids are on me and every single system is failing and I go from 100% oxygen to -50% in 20 seconds because of the aforementioned breaches.

I try to fight the assault drones with my (maxed out) mantis dudes but HURR there's no air so I can't do anything

I just don't get what tactic you're supposed to use with the boss.

Even when I take out the drone control with my missiles I still get those random 5 or so drones attacking me.

I always rely on cloak to dodge the power surges, but it is still really hard.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
September 28 2012 16:00 GMT
#126
Cloak helps immensely in the second stage. Activate it right when the drones start shooting and it'll generally last long enough to mitigate most of the potential damage. Taking out drone control does not prevent power surges.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 28 2012 16:04 GMT
#127
You guys are doing it all wrong.

Just kill him first duhh
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tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
September 28 2012 16:05 GMT
#128
On September 29 2012 00:51 ShloobeR wrote:
I use double DEFII drones


That's the problem.
Two def2 drones is 8 power. Which is absolutely ridiculous with extremely limited effect as far as I'm concerned. I prefer having 4 shields, 55% dodge and full weapons. I don't think I have used a single drone in my "serious" runs, ie. not playing a certain style and sticking to it.
To get past phase 2 you basically have to fuck the boss up really quickly. Get his shields, then get his drone control thing. Repeatedly.
Try to kill some crew in phase 1 so his repair effectiveness is lower. Try to kill more during phase 2. A big volley of lasers on a room with people repairing a module should do the trick.
Also, don't forget cloak. It's a life saver. With 4 shields and 55% dodge, the power surge thing won't do anything pretty much, if you still get hit a lot, cloak and you'll be fine.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 28 2012 16:13 GMT
#129
You can run a 4 shield double drone ion bomb ion cannon 2 fire beam with drones combo. My last run i had 2 antiship mk2s and a defense mk2, just toggle which ones are active based on whats going on. Dont need dodge or cloak when they have no crew and everything is shut down or on fire
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 28 2012 16:14 GMT
#130
On September 29 2012 01:05 tyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 00:51 ShloobeR wrote:
I use double DEFII drones


That's the problem.
Two def2 drones is 8 power. Which is absolutely ridiculous with extremely limited effect as far as I'm concerned. I prefer having 4 shields, 55% dodge and full weapons. I don't think I have used a single drone in my "serious" runs, ie. not playing a certain style and sticking to it.
To get past phase 2 you basically have to fuck the boss up really quickly. Get his shields, then get his drone control thing. Repeatedly.
Try to kill some crew in phase 1 so his repair effectiveness is lower. Try to kill more during phase 2. A big volley of lasers on a room with people repairing a module should do the trick.
Also, don't forget cloak. It's a life saver. With 4 shields and 55% dodge, the power surge thing won't do anything pretty much, if you still get hit a lot, cloak and you'll be fine.

on my first attempt I was at 50% dodge with 4 shields and power surges still raped me
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
September 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#131
One def drone 2 is very useful, 2 are probably overkill. Every time i had even one of those active, not a single breacher drone landed on my ship successfully. Shut down his rocket gun first, then focus the drone control. As other said, cloak during power surges.
DragonSharp
Profile Joined October 2009
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 17:41:43
September 28 2012 17:41 GMT
#132
Some kind of breach weapon helps too like a breach bomb which help me so much in getting my first normal win.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 28 2012 18:13 GMT
#133
Has anyone managed to win with the stealth ship? For the life of me i can't figure out how. With no shields i end up spending way too much on repairs tobe able to afford things.
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
September 28 2012 19:52 GMT
#134
On September 29 2012 03:13 iGrok wrote:
Has anyone managed to win with the stealth ship? For the life of me i can't figure out how. With no shields i end up spending way too much on repairs tobe able to afford things.


You can buy shields for 150 scraps at a store.

I´ve gotten to phase 2 twice on normal but I didnt have any ion weapons, which makes phase 2 really hard.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 28 2012 20:52 GMT
#135
Is it just be or is boarding extremely good in this game? I mean there's so many benefits to it, more scrap, a lot easier to get the teleporter than specific weapon/drone layouts since its cheaper and more readily available, doesn't cost drones/missiles, only costs 1 power and nearly unstoppable.

Like no matter what starting ship I use I eventually turn to a two mantis + teleporter combo. The only time this has backfired on me is when I relied on it so heavily I couldn't get past 4 shield + lvl 3 medbay the boss has.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
September 28 2012 23:56 GMT
#136
On September 29 2012 03:13 iGrok wrote:
Has anyone managed to win with the stealth ship? For the life of me i can't figure out how. With no shields i end up spending way too much on repairs tobe able to afford things.


The stealth ship is really good because you can basically take zero damage for ages if you are careful, especially with the two absolutely amazing starter weapons (best in the game imho)

In fact, i advocate no shields until near the end really, you should go for a weapon layout that can basically alpha strike everything

Requires a bit of luck though.
Coriolis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
September 29 2012 00:03 GMT
#137
Honestly keep the two starting weapons pretty much forever, maybe upgrade to a pike beam/burst laser II later on. Whats more important is getting a bomb of some sort, it really doesn't matter what kind. Just something to nuke their shields with so your weapons can wreck everything else.
Descolada in everything not TL/Starcraft
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
September 29 2012 01:25 GMT
#138
The only thing that is really problematic with the stealth ship until you get shields are ships with offensive drones, and those zoltan things which need 1-2 salvae to get through the enhanced shields. The combination of both can cost quite a lot of hull points.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
September 29 2012 09:53 GMT
#139
On September 29 2012 09:03 Coriolis wrote:
Honestly keep the two starting weapons pretty much forever, maybe upgrade to a pike beam/burst laser II later on. Whats more important is getting a bomb of some sort, it really doesn't matter what kind. Just something to nuke their shields with so your weapons can wreck everything else.


I think you'll probably ditch the mini laser for a burst weapon later on since it's hard enough getting the enemy shields down

Also only 3 weapon slots
Even a burst laser 3 + bomb + dual laser should be good enough though. It is kinda tough dealing with 1 less slot, esp on the second stage
A sys bomb makes things WAY easier
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 29 2012 10:45 GMT
#140
You dont need cloak to beat the final boss (i never get that show up in shop zzzzzzz), you need some nice upgrades of engine to dodge missile and enough crew member to repair. Some hull repair and anti-personal drones would be very nice too.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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