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Asshat
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baldgye
United Kingdom1072 Posts
On June 25 2012 02:28 Lonyo wrote: Maybe because Hamilton didn't help himself by pushing Maldonado out wide and making sure he would go off the track if he didn't pull back. Remember when Hamilton drove completely off the track to get past Rosberg? Not enough people pointed out Hamilton should have been penalised for breaking the rules, they instead complained about Rosberg "forcing" Hamilton off the track (he didn't, there was an entire other side of track Hamilton could have used)> When Hamilton forces someone off the track (there was no space which could be used), people say the other person should back out, and then when it comes to bite Hamilton in the ass because the other person doesn't pull out, then loses control of his car due to his off track excursion and hits Hamilton, they complain the penalty isn't severe enough. Plus Maldonado was partially alongside, and had the faster car, so he would have been able to overtake if he had been left enough space, without any question. So backing out when you're alongside and faster is just as crazy as the idea of letting someone past (which Hamilton says he would never do). If anything, punishing Maldonado at all is quite harsh. It was a racing incident cause by aggressive driving on the part of both drivers. The Heikki-Vergne incident was purely one sided, Vergne was totally at fault and maybe it was due to an error of judgement, but to say that Maldonado would deliberately crash into Hamilton is absolutely absurd and idiotic. That's also a reason to give a lesser punishment, since it wasn't entirely one sided. Verge hit Heikki because of his own move while on a straight and open part of the track. Maldonado hit Hamilton after being forced off the track and losing control of his car. How is it comparable? Also, why, if you are near the front of the field and KNOW you will be able to get past at some point, would you decide to almost certainly RUIN YOUR OWN RACE in order to hit someone? It's absurd to even consider it, and shows how out of touch some people seem to be, especially when it comes to certain drivers. That argument makes little no sense though, becasue Lewis defended the breaking point into the corner and made it, he had the racing line he used the racing line, he didn't drive Maldonado off the track, Maldonado ran out of track to use. In the Rosberg incident Rosberg drove accorss the track to cut Lewis and Alonso off the track. They are totally diffrent. Not only that but Maldonado was in total control of his car and chose to drive ontop of the curb which lost him all control. That was a decision he made, he should have just cut the chicane and passed Lewis at the hairpin at the end of the straight that follows from there, but instead he chose to drive onto the curb and into Lewis. Lewis did nothing wrong and defended well within his rights, Maldonado idiotically decided to drive onto the top of the curb (knowing he would loose control) and then into Lewis. And if you want an example of how he has total disregard for his car and the other drivers you need only look at how he deliberataly drove at and into Perez at Monaco for no reason. If you took the time to watch the footage, both on-board and from the helicopter of the race, you'd see exactally how Maldonado did, what he did and how it was his fault and how it was totally avoidable. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
I think Schumi driving intentionally into hill Never happened. He only drove intentionally into Villineuve. This is basically the excuse that brits make because Schumi spanked the whole field despite the FIA doing everything in their power to turn the championship. Do you really think if there was even a shred of evidence that it happened deliberately, the FIA, which had banned schumi for 2 races and DQ'd him for 2 more, wouldn't have nailed him to the wall? Hill was stupid and threw the championship away. It was Schumi's fault but it wasn't deliberate like 97. And Maldonado's only mistake seems to be that he is tangling with fan/fia favorite hamilton. Even the stewards didn't want to penalize him for what was obviously an accident (edit: clarification that I do think it was Pastor's fault but not 100%), and partially of Lewis' making. What he did today was also not intentional. His car was on the curbs (thanks to Hamilton pushing him off the track) and coming back in he tried his best to turn, but its hard to turn when your front wheels aren't touching the tarmac. Again, this isn't to say that it wasn't Maldonado's fault. It was. But lewis is partially to blame and it sure as hell wasn't intentional. Incidentally, I wonder if the fanboys had the same opinion of Lewis was he rammed into Kimi at the pitlane red light? | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1072 Posts
On June 25 2012 11:46 redviper wrote: Never happened. He only drove intentionally into Villineuve. This is basically the excuse that brits make because Schumi spanked the whole field despite the FIA doing everything in their power to turn the championship. Do you really think if there was even a shred of evidence that it happened deliberately, the FIA, which had banned schumi for 2 races and DQ'd him for 2 more, wouldn't have nailed him to the wall? Hill was stupid and threw the championship away. It was Schumi's fault but it wasn't deliberate like 97. And Maldonado's only mistake seems to be that he is tangling with fan/fia favorite hamilton. Even the stewards didn't want to penalize him for what was obviously an accident (edit: clarification that I do think it was Pastor's fault but not 100%), and partially of Lewis' making. What he did today was also not intentional. His car was on the curbs (thanks to Hamilton pushing him off the track) and coming back in he tried his best to turn, but its hard to turn when your front wheels aren't touching the tarmac. Again, this isn't to say that it wasn't Maldonado's fault. It was. But lewis is partially to blame and it sure as hell wasn't intentional. Incidentally, I wonder if the fanboys had the same opinion of Lewis was he rammed into Kimi at the pitlane red light? Who's trying to make out that Lewis is some golden boy? Yeah at Canada Lewis drove into the back of Kimi... but whats that got to do with anything. Also, if he hadn't had beached his McLaren at China in 07 on the way into the pits, he would probally be a double world champion.... This incident was 100% Pastor's fault. Lewis made the breaking point into the chicane, he had the racing line, he never deviated from the racing line. Pastor never had the racing line and ran out of track (remember when he did the same thing to Grosjean in Australia? only then Pastor took him out of the race with overly aggressive driving, where there was no run-off), here Lewis simply held his line (something he is fully allowed to do) though the chicane. After fully leaving the track Pastor then decided that instead of cutting the corner (something both Webber and Chandok said they would have done and what he should have done), he instead decided to mount the curb which would loose him all control of the car and result in him raming into the side of Lewis. Pastor knew this would happen, you don't get to win a F1 race or to even be an F1 driver if you don't understand that basic principal. And there was no reason for him to do it, how could you predict that would happen? If you look back to earlia on in the race at the move Grosjean pulled on Lewis at the same corner, Grosjean was ahead as they went into the chicane and Lewis couldn't do anymore than he did, but Pastor didn't do that, he didn't get further enough along side going into it, so he had no way of getting round him then. Making the argument that Lewis was overly aggressive is redundant and unfounded, he never moved his car aggressivly to once side or the other, he didn't deviate from the racing line other than to defend on the straight, in which he made one steady move (unlike Rosberg's move a few races back, something that people keep talking about for some reason). Video Time!! Here you can clearly see that when he left the track, he was not on the curb and that he actually drove onto the curb fully intentionally. The bigger problem here is that Pastor has a growing track record of actually driving into people. With other drivers Lewis included they havn't (for the most part) actually driven into people with that as there main goal, its mostly failed or over zelous over-taking manovers. Lewis's Monaco race last year is a prime example, and Jeson's Monaco race from this year. Both failed over-taking moves on drivers but both times they where going for the over-take and didn't just drive into them. Pastor has proven now three times (that I can remember) that he is willing and capable to drive into other people, Lewis at Spa last year after Quali, Perez at Monaco this year, in Practice I think... and last weekend with Lewis again. Who else does he need to drive into before he gets a race ban? Vettel? Webber? Alonso? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Maldonado has been dropped down from race finish and out of points and Senna promoted due to causing crash, also guessing no grid penalty next race due to the demotion in this one | ||
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Goetzinho ftw
Germany115 Posts
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Narcotic
Italy101 Posts
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
On June 25 2012 20:41 Goetzinho ftw wrote: Alonso is just the greatest of all-time! From 11th to #1 ...so great! Yet Webber got to 4th from #19. He's also got on the podium from something like #17. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
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elsation
Australia661 Posts
On June 26 2012 16:18 Bairemuth wrote: Pastor's fault for sure, but Hamilton needs to know when to give up. There is no point in defending so heavily when you are going to be passed regardless, especially when he had been sliding around every corner prior. Why take such huge risks for three points that were going to be lost anyways. Yeah, this pretty much sums it up | ||
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Aelip
Denmark321 Posts
On June 26 2012 16:18 Bairemuth wrote: Pastor's fault for sure, but Hamilton needs to know when to give up. There is no point in defending so heavily when you are going to be passed regardless, especially when he had been sliding around every corner prior. Why take such huge risks for three points that were going to be lost anyways. Hindsight is always easy. At the moment he wasn't thinking rationally and it cost him dearly, it happens. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Finland This is the reason plain and simple  They did a Top Gear on it toohttp://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/captain-fast | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
Would be nice to have a finish forumer to know if yes or not he drives @ 140 km/h in narrow turny roads go to work  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1072 Posts
On June 26 2012 19:26 AIOL! wrote: Do you know guys why fins are that strong in motor-races sports ? I can't explain it, such a small country and a shitload of great wrc and formula 1 divers. They are like the koeans of motorsport. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Drivers'_Champions#By_nationality UK has more F1 World Champions than anyother nation... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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