hardly, the cars still a major part of how much grip the drivers can get on track... but that said, Alonso is on fucking form this season. He's been constantally fast and always aware of whats going on, he really is the most complete racing driver out there atm, and even with a car that looked like it would be faster to push at the start of the season, he made it work.

Really gutted for Hamilton, and the fact the McLaren can't switch on the inters at all is a bit of a worry... really hoping for either a full wet race or for it to be dry enough for slicks.
Would love a full wet race though, they are so much more exciting and really push all the drivers to the limits... and also if it was wet it would maybe enable Button to do something from the back.

Though, the fact that Lewis is next to Maldonardo on the grid :/

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 08 2012 11:39 GMT

#684

Button starts 16th, Kobayashi 17th. What's happening?
Kobayashi has a 5 pos. grid penalty, and qualified 12th, so he should start 17th, in front of Button (qualified 18th).
Vergne qualified 16th, with a 10 pos. grid penalty, so Kobayashi should start 16th and Button 17th.

rasnj

United States1959 Posts

July 08 2012 12:06 GMT

#685

On July 08 2012 20:39 zere wrote:
Button starts 16th, Kobayashi 17th. What's happening?
Kobayashi has a 5 pos. grid penalty, and qualified 12th, so he should start 17th, in front of Button (qualified 18th).
Vergne qualified 16th, with a 10 pos. grid penalty, so Kobayashi should start 16th and Button 17th.

I would guess (but not entirely sure) that penalties are applied from the back.

12 Kob
16 Ver
18 But

Apply Ver penalty:

12 Kob
17 But
24 Ver

Apply Kob penalty:
16 But
17 Kob
24 Ver

baldgye

United Kingdom1115 Posts

July 08 2012 13:06 GMT

#686

McLaren being out classed by nearly every team with a budget.... shocking display. Though maybe now Maldonardo will get a race ban for Germany...

Really looking now that the real battle is between Alonso and the two RB drivers, can't see anyone else worrying them too much :/

shiroiusagi

SoCal, USA3955 Posts

July 08 2012 13:11 GMT

#687

I woke up during halfway during the race again TT (I even had an alarm before the race start, but I never fully woke up XD) And discovered it's not a rainy race. Dx; /sad

AND OMG GO WEBBER GO GO GO GO ><

shiroiusagi

SoCal, USA3955 Posts

July 08 2012 13:21 GMT

#688

WEBBER!!!!

Juissi

Finland209 Posts

July 08 2012 13:22 GMT

#689

Fuck yeah go Webber!

baldgye

United Kingdom1115 Posts

July 08 2012 13:24 GMT

#690

nice if webber can get another win... would make the Alonso/Web battle in the champ better

elsation

Australia661 Posts

July 08 2012 13:30 GMT

#691

good race, despite the Australian coverage trying to ruin it, always glad to see Webber do well

baldgye

United Kingdom1115 Posts

July 08 2012 13:31 GMT

#692

Glad that Webber won the race, cannot understand how appaulingly bad the McLaren is atm, the only point it had any pace was on full wets... what a joke

Martin Whitmarsh has to go if McLaren loose out to Lotus this season

RowdierBob

Australia13537 Posts

July 08 2012 13:41 GMT

#693

Attaboy Webber, what a drive!

FractalsOnFire

Australia1756 Posts

July 08 2012 14:05 GMT

#694

WOO WEBBER KICK THAT FERRARI BACK TO FUCKING ITALY

YEEEAAAHHHHHHHH

BookTwo

1985 Posts

July 08 2012 15:25 GMT

#695

WEBBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Go Aussie goooo! Glad to see him doing so well. Amazing drive by Alonso imo, such an amazing driver.

baldgye

United Kingdom1115 Posts

July 08 2012 18:57 GMT

#696

all Maldonado got was a 10k fine.... guess he'll have to kill someone before anything is done...

Sethronu

United Kingdom450 Posts

July 08 2012 21:42 GMT

#697

So happy to see Raikkonen doing well. Hopefully his results this year will make him stick around for more, and the way Lotus is doing overall, I wouldn't be too surprised if they were in the running for driver's title next season :o

baldgye

United Kingdom1115 Posts

July 08 2012 22:07 GMT

#698

On July 09 2012 06:42 Sethronu wrote:
So happy to see Raikkonen doing well. Hopefully his results this year will make him stick around for more, and the way Lotus is doing overall, I wouldn't be too surprised if they were in the running for driver's title next season :o

I think they are going to have to get a grip on maximising there race potential before they can do that, but there car is pretty amazing.

FractalsOnFire

Australia1756 Posts

July 09 2012 05:42 GMT

#699

On July 09 2012 03:57 baldgye wrote:
all Maldonado got was a 10k fine.... guess he'll have to kill someone before anything is done...

Actually Kobayashi got 10k Euro for his pit stop shenanigans. Maldonaldo got 25k euro and a 'reprimand'.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/7/13566.html

Release

United States4397 Posts

July 09 2012 05:46 GMT

#700

Blurgh. We're the FIA. We're big and tough. Here's a fine.

Ayrton Senna in his grave