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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Red Bull in hot water. The FIA is investigating the alleged use of an illegal engine map.
Bauer's technical report read: "Having examined the engine base torque map of car numbers 01 and 02 it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less in the mid rpm range than previously seen for these engines at other Events.
"In my opinion this is therefore in breach of Article 5.5.3 of the 2012 Formula One Technical Regulations as the engines are able to deliver more torque at a given engine speed in the mid rpm range.
"Furthermore this new torque map will artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars which is also in contravention of TD 036-11."
Oh the drama 
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Sending the cars to the back of the grid is not enough punishment, the same as Lewis got for a faulty fuel-rig in Barcelona is a bad joke. The FIA adopt an eeny meany miny mo policy with punishments.
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Looks like they got away with it. Apparently the "wording" wasn't specific enough in the regulations to punish them. lol... Newey just bends rules you never thought could be bent. I am sure we wont hear the end of this...
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Australia661 Posts
and Alonso does it again... I just wish Lotus could get a whole weekend together, they really should be winning races.
I also do not like this unlapping yourself on the track, its courting disaster. You are not in the race so get out of the way.
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Happy to see McLaren showing some race pace but still not enough, Hamilton with awesome luck again. Hope Seb does not get punished but I think he will, seemed the only reason it worked was because Jens left him room on track which sacrificed his traction. Alonso looks good for title now, Webber finished almost a minute down too which I dont understand.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
So stupid how there was not a safety car for all that mess on the track from Masa's front wing, absolute joke. Im suprised it was only Lewis with the puncture.
Great race from Alonso, can't beleive Ferrerai look so good. Button pulled his finger out and did well too. Good race overall minus the stupid illegal overtaking by Vettel on the last and the stupid stewards not putting SC out.
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Germany1287 Posts
I don't know, Massa, I don't know, When I was glancing at the timing screen he was posting nice lap times, same as in Monaco when his race went bust quite early as well. I know and I consider him sub-par compared to Alonso, but when he'd just get through..., he'd still get decent results like shown in Silverstone. Kind of like Grosjean, who had another weekend to forget.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Vettel demoted to 5th!! Was deemed illegal manover, Jenson takes 2nd Kimi 3rd
Sebastian Vettel has been relegated to fifth position - and Jenson Button promoted to second - in the German Grand Prix after stewards imposed a 20-second time penalty on the World Champion for passing his McLaren rival from off the track on the penultimate lap of the race.
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The penalty seems really harsh on Vettel. Button didn't leave him room to do much else. I guess he could have given the position back and got him next lap he clearly had the faster car at that stage of the race. But to retrospectively drop him down all the way to 5th seems really harsh.
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On July 23 2012 04:01 Greg_J wrote:
The penalty seems really harsh on Vettel. Button didn't leave him room to do much else. I guess he could have given the position back and got him next lap he clearly had the faster car at that stage of the race. But to retrospectively drop him down all the way to 5th seems really harsh.
Its just a consequence of how penaltys are handed out.
If i remember correctly from another forum. Basically they have the list of rules. Then under the rules they have a list of punishments.
For this specific rule the least sevear punishment they could dish out is a 20 second penalty. So while maybe just a 1 place grid penalty may have been the "fairer" option. The stewards very little leeway with the punishments that are assigned to the crime.
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Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball?
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On July 23 2012 04:35 sharkeyanti wrote:
Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball?
Start playing games like f1 2011. You will start to appreciate how much skill you need to handle the car, and how many little niuances should be taken into account to win a race.
Oh and play with G27 driving wheel.
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On July 23 2012 04:39 Embir wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 04:35 sharkeyanti wrote:
Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball? Start playing games like f1 2011. You will start to appreciate how much skill you need to handle the car, and how many little niuances should be taken into account to win a race. Oh and play with G27 driving wheel.
Haven't checked that game out, but I've watched some videos of it. I've played a good amount of GT5 with a DFGT (I know it's different), so the subtleties of controlling a crazy rig like an F1 car aren't completely lost. I really like seeing the pole leader lap on the F1 site, because then you can see the inputs of the driver and everything.
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On July 23 2012 04:55 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 04:39 Embir wrote:On July 23 2012 04:35 sharkeyanti wrote:
Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball? Start playing games like f1 2011. You will start to appreciate how much skill you need to handle the car, and how many little niuances should be taken into account to win a race. Oh and play with G27 driving wheel. Haven't checked that game out, but I've watched some videos of it. I've played a good amount of GT5 with a DFGT (I know it's different), so the subtleties of controlling a crazy rig like an F1 car aren't completely lost. I really like seeing the pole leader lap on the F1 site, because then you can see the inputs of the driver and everything.
F1 series is bad and should feel bad, they didn't even have a dedicated physics programmer before F1 2012, GT5 physics are a ton better.
The only decent part of the f1 games+wheel is the sense of speed you get from it. The rest of the game is actually bad ( And I bought 2010+2011 ).. :/
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On July 23 2012 04:35 sharkeyanti wrote:
Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball?
join #f1 on quakenet during the qualifying/race and discuss/read along. It's much more fun for me than when I watch it on my own.
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On July 23 2012 04:35 sharkeyanti wrote:
Any advice for someone trying to gain a measure of enjoyment out of the sport? I've been trying since this season started to get into F1, but have had a bit of trouble. Most of it has to do with the lack of in-race excitement (shocking view, I know). I'm okay with there being a spectrum of resources for each team, but the fact that maybe only half of the drivers are competitive really makes it kinda dull. The standard charge of there being no overtaking of course stands, but I know that's how it'll be when the drivers are this good.
I like a lot of the technological stuff and the physical condition that the drivers go through, all interesting stuff. But I can't for the life of me think the racing itself is interesting unless I was actually there or something. After watching a race, I find the only reason I was drawn to it was that it's the most demanding and high-performance auto racing event. The soap opera is funny at times, but I don't really care that one guy is pissed that some other guy uses some somewhat illegal thing.
What keeps a regular viewer engaged? Is it just something you need to grow up with maybe, like baseball?
f1 has had its low seasons, seasons where there is little overtaking and/or one dominant car. that kind of f1 is not enjoyable at all.
enter the current season. many different teams have achieved podium (1st/2nd/3rd) wins, and there is literally constant overtaking and battling throughout the race. this is one of the best seasons f1 has had in a very long while.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Red Bull 'Engine mapping loophole closed
Having been reported to the stewards by FIA technical delegate Joe Bauer on the morning of last Sunday's German GP, it was made transparent in the stewards' subsequent report that Red Bull had only escaped punishment because of the regulation's wording.
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Lucky Red Bull i guess
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Germany1287 Posts
2012's young driver days in Abu Dhabi in November may be skipped by Ferrari and Mercedes who are aiming for good old Magny-Cours in Mid-September now
2013 pre-season testing dates are out
Jerez 2/5 - 2/8
Barcelona 2/19 - 2/22
Barcelona 2/28 - 3/3
In-season testing in Mugello dropped without replacement, which is quite surprising since most of the teams wanted more testing opportunities, so we are back down to only 12 days of testing per year.
Melbourne's Albert Park is already selling tickets for the 17th of March 2013 which is quite funny since there's not even a provisional race calendar out.
Also, Budapest will be wet on Sunday ^_^
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On July 27 2012 17:05 zere wrote:
Also, Budapest will be wet on Sunday ^_^
It's like the race gods are saying please win Alonso/Kimi/Lewis. lol
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Schumacher finding the wall once again in the wet  Rainmaster? haha
Mercedes declaring war on RBR it seems, they produced a highly detailed document showing the engine mapping changes in the week and today have claimed RBR changed their ride heights in parc ferme in Canada.
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