EPTRegardless, so happy for Schumi, what a legend
Formula 1 - 2012 - Page 32
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Regardless, so happy for Schumi, what a legend | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
On June 24 2012 22:53 elsation wrote: Hamilton stops on track after qualifying, loses his pole. Alonso stops on track after race, loses his win? Nope, in qualifying you have to return to the pits under your own power because they don't want everyone to do a lap in Q1 then stop because they're out of petrol and ran the tank too empty. It would turn into 24 cars parking on the track after quali because it would be optimal strategy. Post-race it doesn't matter and it's hard to calculate fuel usage - when there has been a safety car fuel has been conserved so there is an excess - it would also stop celebratory scenes after special race/championship wins. ( This coming from a Mclaren fan and Ferrari anti-fan ). | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
On June 24 2012 23:14 Eishi_Ki wrote: Maldonado should have yielded and waited as soon as he was off the track. My question is was the reason Maldonado was forced off of the track sporting behaviour from Hamilton? Hamilton had clear track position - Maldonado was hoping Hamilton would concede the position on his first run in before he was forced off track by his own positioning, then when he returned to the track he again was hoping Hamilton would just let him have the position when Hamilton had every right to be on the racing line. tldr, Maldonado will get a penalty for either this race or a grid drop for next race ( imo fairer ). | ||
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mememolly
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2014 Posts
Today's race was frickin amazing, probably the best by far in the whole year | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
And as a Ferrari fan I'm grateful for the mechanical gremlins that gifted Fernando the win. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
1. All 3 WC. 2. All 3 ferrari drivers. 4. All 3 Renault drivers. 5. All 3 Mercedes drivers. 6. 2 champions for Renault. 7. 2 champions for Ferrari. 8. 8 consecutive championships (2000-2007). | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 24 2012 23:58 redviper wrote: Interestingly, today's podium was 1. All 3 WC. 2. All 3 ferrari drivers. 4. All 3 Renault drivers. 5. All 3 Mercedes drivers. 6. 2 champions for Renault. 7. 2 champions for Ferrari. 8. 8 consecutive championships (2000-2007). Technically, Schumacher drove for Benetton (which later became Renault). Raikkonen and Alonso technically drove for Mclaren because Mercedes were merely their engine supplier. Schumi is driving in the Pseudo-BAR Honda / Tyrell / Brawn GP. One thing: Schumacher during the 90s and early 2000s was widely known as the luckiest (as well as the best) pilot in formula one. Raikkonen was known as the man who could not buy luck. Great to see schumi finally got a podium since his comeback, but i really wish that he got a win before he retires. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1115 Posts
Lewis had defended the racing line going into the corner, he had every right to drive on the line of the chicane and Maldonado decided (he isn't a rookie) that the best thing to do was to instead of yield the corner and simply pass him on the next two laps (which he was always going to do), he would instead mount the curb (knowing full well that he would lose all control over the car) and drive into the side of Lewis hoping for the best. He gave Lewis no chance to move out of the way and went from off the track and drove in a straight line into the side of Lewis for no reason. Maldonado has proven over the last year and a bit that he will drive into people he feels have slighted him in some way, he did it with Perez in Monaco only a few weeks ago and he did it with Lewis in Spa after the quali session. The guy is an idiot and uses his car as a weapon. When you drive aggressively (like, Lewis, Schumacher and Senna) you give the other driver a choice, to yield or to try and defend and there might be contact because your fully committed and cannot back out, but Maldonado dsnt do that, instead he goes for an attack, which is fine... and then if he dsn't like the result he just drives at the other driver. He shouldn't be allowed to race, and at the very least get a race ban for repeated dangerous driving. On June 24 2012 23:38 Mobius_1 wrote: I know it's not nice to laugh at others' misfortune but Hamilton's pit crew screwing up was just too much. And as a Ferrari fan I'm grateful for the mechanical gremlins that gifted Fernando the win. This is also a good point, once again his team put him in a position and situation that should have never have arised. His crew did the best pit stop of the whole season, followed by the worst. Lewis should have come out ahead of Alonso and taken 3rd (assuming his tires gave up in the same way that they actually did)... ----------------- But aside from that it was an epic drive from the now favourite to win this year's DWC, shame for Vettel and Roman but it was about time reliability came into it. And really other than Maldonado, it was one of the best races of the year so far. The tires helped turn one of the worst tracks ever grace the F1 calendar into one of the most exciting and unpredictable races we have had yet! | ||
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mememolly
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Asshat
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baldgye
United Kingdom1115 Posts
On June 25 2012 01:54 Asshat wrote: Maldonado takes 20second time penalty, losing him the 10th position and the point he earned in the race. just seen it reported, FIA jokers... is Maldonado going to have to seriously injure someone before the FIA actually punnishes him? | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 25 2012 01:54 Asshat wrote: Maldonado takes 20second time penalty, losing him the 10th position and the point he earned in the race. that is insane, if that was hamilton he would have got a grid penalty for the next race at least, such bullshit, FIA hated Senna and they hate Hamilton probably for the same reasons | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
LOL. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1115 Posts
On June 25 2012 02:15 Gryffes wrote: For Vergnes mistake he got a 5 place penalty for silverstone and a 25000 euro fine........ LOL. That I can understand becasue he drove into Hekki on a straight a long LONG way before the corner for no reason... and his excuse was that he was turning into the corner, but he drove into Hekki, turned away from him and THEN turned into the corner. It seemed deliberate, if it was or not is another issue thats probally down to experiance, but it looked deliberate and it took another guy out of the race. But why he got handed such a harsh penalty and why Maldanaro got off basicaly for free is BEYOND me, becasue while Vegnes took out a driver, he didn't take out a DWC contender and he also dsnt have a history of driving into people for little or no reason.. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
Maldonado on the other hand - looked deliberate. One gets a 20s penalty costing him a single point - the other gets shit on from great heights with an almost unprecedented double penalty. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On June 25 2012 02:19 baldgye wrote: That I can understand becasue he drove into Hekki on a straight a long LONG way before the corner for no reason... and his excuse was that he was turning into the corner, but he drove into Hekki, turned away from him and THEN turned into the corner. It seemed deliberate, if it was or not is another issue thats probally down to experiance, but it looked deliberate and it took another guy out of the race. But why he got handed such a harsh penalty and why Maldanaro got off basicaly for free is BEYOND me, becasue while Vegnes took out a driver, he didn't take out a DWC contender and he also dsnt have a history of driving into people for little or no reason.. Maybe because Hamilton didn't help himself by pushing Maldonado out wide and making sure he would go off the track if he didn't pull back. Remember when Hamilton drove completely off the track to get past Rosberg? Not enough people pointed out Hamilton should have been penalised for breaking the rules, they instead complained about Rosberg "forcing" Hamilton off the track (he didn't, there was an entire other side of track Hamilton could have used)> When Hamilton forces someone off the track (there was no space which could be used), people say the other person should back out, and then when it comes to bite Hamilton in the ass because the other person doesn't pull out, then loses control of his car due to his off track excursion and hits Hamilton, they complain the penalty isn't severe enough. Plus Maldonado was partially alongside, and had the faster car, so he would have been able to overtake if he had been left enough space, without any question. So backing out when you're alongside and faster is just as crazy as the idea of letting someone past (which Hamilton says he would never do). If anything, punishing Maldonado at all is quite harsh. It was a racing incident cause by aggressive driving on the part of both drivers. The Heikki-Vergne incident was purely one sided, Vergne was totally at fault and maybe it was due to an error of judgement, but to say that Maldonado would deliberately crash into Hamilton is absolutely absurd and idiotic. That's also a reason to give a lesser punishment, since it wasn't entirely one sided. Verge hit Heikki because of his own move while on a straight and open part of the track. Maldonado hit Hamilton after being forced off the track and losing control of his car. How is it comparable? Also, why, if you are near the front of the field and KNOW you will be able to get past at some point, would you decide to almost certainly RUIN YOUR OWN RACE in order to hit someone? It's absurd to even consider it, and shows how out of touch some people seem to be, especially when it comes to certain drivers. | ||
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