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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 06 2013 23:57 Mohdoo wrote: There really really be a mod note on this thread asking people not to post here for the pure sake of telling people why the game is bad or giving some 5 paragraph story about why they quit. It doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. Its purely negative and distracts from actual conversation about the game Indeed but then if not there would be about 10 posts in this thread xD 8 of them between me and bluelightz xD | ||
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Meow-Meow
Germany451 Posts
On August 06 2013 23:57 Mohdoo wrote: There really really be a mod note on this thread asking people not to post here for the pure sake of telling people why the game is bad or giving some 5 paragraph story about why they quit. It doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. Its purely negative and distracts from actual conversation about the game I'm very positive about the game, just not about its German community. My bitching is just a more long-winded way of asking for recommendations for English (European) realms.  | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
Not to mention what they did to all the Classes. All classes are basically the same, every buffs are shared etc. Thats just fucking bullshit! I hope Blizz brings back TBC/Vanilla Servers when they are under 5M Subs or something. They should start realizing that WoW is a fucking mess since start of Casualking Expansion. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 10 2013 16:16 Amaril wrote: Thats exactly what killed WoW. It became a fucking Singleplayer Casual-Game. FlyingMounts, Group-Finder and all that shit removed the need to socialize with people to make Groups etc. You don't even need Guilds anymore with this terrible System. Not to mention what they did to all the Classes. All classes are basically the same, every buffs are shared etc. Thats just fucking bullshit! I hope Blizz brings back TBC/Vanilla Servers when they are under 5M Subs or something. They should start realizing that WoW is a fucking mess since start of Casualking Expansion. There are TBC and Vanilla servers. Ok they are private, but they are also free. Stop whining and play there. And find out that Vanilla sucks. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
On August 10 2013 16:36 Redox wrote: There are TBC and Vanilla servers. Ok they are private, but they are also free. Stop whining and play there. And find out that Vanilla sucks. They suck because they are cracked, bugged and have too few players. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 10 2013 16:49 Amaril wrote: They suck because they are cracked, bugged and have too few players. Too few players because noone wants to play Vanilla. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On August 10 2013 16:16 Amaril wrote: Thats exactly what killed WoW. It became a fucking Singleplayer Casual-Game. FlyingMounts, Group-Finder and all that shit removed the need to socialize with people to make Groups etc. You don't even need Guilds anymore with this terrible System. Not to mention what they did to all the Classes. All classes are basically the same, every buffs are shared etc. Thats just fucking bullshit! I hope Blizz brings back TBC/Vanilla Servers when they are under 5M Subs or something. They should start realizing that WoW is a fucking mess since start of Casualking Expansion. But the bigger issues started at the end of WoW in preparation for TBC - cross realm BGs were the start of a very awful thing. I know I'll take some flak from Alliance players who could never get in a BG because there were too few Horde players, but Blood Elves pretty much solved that entirely. And then as you mentioned flying mounts in TBC. As for actual gameplay stuff, I don't really mind (warlock is more fun to play than it's ever been, unless your idea of fun is going for the optimal shadowbolt spam spec and only mashing 1 mindlessly) the changes that have been made. But the biggest problems are definitely tied to the diminished sense of community in my opinion. Plus it's an old game. We're going on its tenth anniversary this year. All that said, I still enjoyed my green fire carrot-on-a-stick, and I'll probably resub come the 10th anniversary if that's actually neat. Just remember, when Illidan's glorious return and the demon hunters are announced at Blizzcon, I told you so. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
On August 10 2013 16:16 Amaril wrote: Thats exactly what killed WoW. It became a fucking Singleplayer Casual-Game. FlyingMounts, Group-Finder and all that shit removed the need to socialize with people to make Groups etc. You don't even need Guilds anymore with this terrible System. Not to mention what they did to all the Classes. All classes are basically the same, every buffs are shared etc. Thats just fucking bullshit! I hope Blizz brings back TBC/Vanilla Servers when they are under 5M Subs or something. They should start realizing that WoW is a fucking mess since start of Casualking Expansion. Group finder was one of the best things happened to WoW.It was almost impossible to do low lvl dungeons before that especially if you are on low populated server.It was also pain is the ass to farm heroics without group finder. Flyingmounts ruined the game?Was it better to getting camped by max lvl players for hours and not being able to do anything? You need guilds to progress in this game.You cant pub heroic modes.Also you need it for RBGs aswell. "They suck because they are cracked, bugged and have too few players." Noone plays there because its really imbalanced and grindy.Why dont you try those for 1 week and come back. If blizz brings back tbc vanilla servers noone but some elitists would play those.They would have same population of private vanilla servers. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On August 11 2013 05:10 Silentenigma wrote: Group finder was one of the best things happened to WoW.It was almost impossible to do low lvl dungeons before that especially if you are on low populated server.It was also pain is the ass to farm heroics without group finder. Flyingmounts ruined the game?Was it better to getting camped by max lvl players for hours and not being able to do anything? You need guilds to progress in this game.You cant pub heroic modes.Also you need it for RBGs aswell. "They suck because they are cracked, bugged and have too few players." Noone plays there because its really imbalanced and grindy.Why dont you try those for 1 week and come back. If blizz brings back tbc vanilla servers noone but some elitists would play those.They would have same population of private vanilla servers. The story of WoW is trading convenience and accessibility for community and a sense of accomplishment. The latter 2 are something that most players (including me) played for, which is why we don't like it anymore. Specifically: cross-realm group finders and battlegrounds destroyed any sense of server community because you no longer had to rely on people on your server, especially those outside your guild (the drop from 40 to 25 also had a big impact on this as smaller guilds no longer had to work together). In Vanilla/TBC, you had to ask in trade for tanks/healers/whatnot and eventually you'd start running with the same people enough to get to know some of them, toss them on your friendslist, and make runs regular things. It forced you to make friends. Now you press one button and wait, you never talk in the run, and everyone just keeps numbly doing their job and collecting loot. Similarly, there used to be guild rivalries and specific player rivalries in battlegrounds. I used to love seeing the Zeppelin/February/Starswrath premades when I was running with Depthcore, Chongala, and Ugg in WSG. Once crossrealm hit, I almost never saw any of them again. It's not all bad. As you correctly pointed out, queue times took a huge drop and it became easier to run non-endgame instances. Increased XP and decreased requirements also made instances a viable source of leveling rather than just gear. While that's good for the game as a game, it's not good for the game as a tool to interact with other human beings and make friends, which was a part of Vanilla/TBC that stuck with a lot of people. Heroic raids and the raid finder specifically were also extremely detrimental to my personal enjoyment of the game, because it eliminates a large part of the difficulty from normal raid encounters and reserves it for "Heroics". The problem there is that the Heroic bosses are the same damn things as the normal ones. Sure, they have more gimmicks, but downing Nef&Ony feels exactly the same on Heroic as it does Normal. It's harder, sure, but you get loot that's 2-3 stat points better with the same name and model, and you get the same storyline as you do when you do it on normal or raid finder. It feels really good to do something that's hard, when you can get the same sense of accomplishment from something that requires limited higher brain function, it makes it feel significantly less good. The feeling of accomplishment and server community were both very important to Vanilla/TBC vets, and that's one reason I'm over on the Feenix Vanilla server atm. I already have 4 tanks and a few others on my friends list, and have made a BRD farming group that regularly hits the instance. None of that is necessary in live, and that''s why I'm not playing. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
exactly. I stopped WoW after Ulduar. That was the last raid that was fun and didn't had this fucking retarded "MoreHP/MoreDmg"-Mode. The motivation to progress Raid X was in TBC just to see the content. How many people killed Vashj/Kael'Thas Pre-Nerf? Most of the players didn't even saw them. Why waste time in a Raid when you already killed all the bosses in the Full-Retard-Finder and the EZPZ-Mode? But who cares, WoW is dead - it will never be fun again. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On August 11 2013 05:50 Amaril wrote: ^ exactly. I stopped WoW after Ulduar. That was the last raid that was fun and didn't had this fucking retarded "MoreHP/MoreDmg"-Mode. The motivation to progress Raid X was in TBC just to see the content. How many people killed Vashj/Kael'Thas Pre-Nerf? Most of the players didn't even saw them. Why waste time in a Raid when you already killed all the bosses in the Full-Retard-Finder and the EZPZ-Mode? But who cares, WoW is dead - it will never be fun again. because its fun to progress heroics with your guild? how many people killed heroic leishen? and why do you care how many people killed lfr leishen, are you envious? why. do. you. fucking. care. about other people. find a guild and raid heroics. Heroic is also content, they only use the same skin, but its entirely different bosses. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On August 11 2013 06:04 Warri wrote: because its fun to progress heroics with your guild? how many people killed heroic leishen? and why do you care how many people killed lfr leishen, are you envious? why. do. you. fucking. care. about other people. find a guild and raid heroics. Heroic is also content, they only use the same skin, but its entirely different bosses. 2 things: 1) If you don't care about what everyone else is doing in an MMO, something is very wrong. 2) So what? If you want to progress the story or get loot, all you need is normal/LFR. Those are the things that give you a real sense of accomplishment, going back to grind it on heroic over and over feels useless. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On August 11 2013 06:10 deth2munkies wrote: 2 things: 1) If you don't care about what everyone else is doing in an MMO, something is very wrong. 2) So what? If you want to progress the story or get loot, all you need is normal/LFR. Those are the things that give you a real sense of accomplishment, going back to grind it on heroic over and over feels useless. 1) Its a pve mmo. If you want to care about what other people do, play a mmo where other peoples actions affect you. May i suggest EVE to you? 2) Well i guess were playing for different reasons then. Im playing to have fun while im playing. I dont care about loot, the loot is just a tool (see what i did there?) The story is nice, but as you said, its an MMO, you play it to have fun with other people, that are your friends. I for one still have fun progressing heroics with my guild, other than that, ill have to admit, i dont log in anymore though. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
On August 11 2013 06:04 Warri wrote: because its fun to progress heroics with your guild? how many people killed heroic leishen? and why do you care how many people killed lfr leishen, are you envious? why. do. you. fucking. care. about other people. find a guild and raid heroics. Heroic is also content, they only use the same skin, but its entirely different bosses. #1 I have no idea what you are talking about what is a Leischen? #2 You obviously have to do the EZPZ Content before to gear yourself. #3 WoW Raiding is terrible since they introduced the MoreHP/MoreDMG mode instead of just one hard mode. #4 I will never ever try this terrible game again. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
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