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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 23 2012 16:59 GMT
#1681
I live in the GTA.

I love sports radio.

I'm so sick of hearing about the fucking leafs, even in the offseason....
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
April 23 2012 17:02 GMT
#1682
On April 23 2012 22:24 Hawk wrote:
Having a dude who can score on the third with some consistency sure would have helped when you're down a Sedin and can't score more than 2 goals in any loss.

Having Duncan Keith not elbow Daniel in the face and have him sit out the first two playoff games would have been nice too.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
April 23 2012 18:21 GMT
#1683
It still would not have made that trade any less retarded though, both for short term and long term prospects. He was their skill depth, and even if they were healthy, the ability to get some goals from the third is a huge boost
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Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
April 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#1684
On April 24 2012 03:21 Hawk wrote:
It still would not have made that trade any less retarded though, both for short term and long term prospects. He was their skill depth, and even if they were healthy, the ability to get some goals from the third is a huge boost

LA is a team that absolutely feasts on defensive breakdowns, and you think Hodgson would have been a net help?
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8917 Posts
April 23 2012 19:18 GMT
#1685
Anyone ever been to the Hockey Hall of Fame? You wouldn't even know that the Vancouver Canucks exist.

Glad to see the trend continue.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
April 23 2012 19:58 GMT
#1686
The whole Hodgson is a huge liability angle is so massively overblown. He's a positive in turnover ratio. He is a rookie putting up 40+ points in his first year while playing like 12 minutes a game. There will be lapses, but he's far from Kovalchuk in turning the puck over almost as much as he scores. That is a narrative that was put forth by Canuck managment, and then by fans and media when he went -8 or something on a shitty ass Buffalo team.

Phalsson hasn't scored more than 20 points in about five years. That trade effectively neutered their secondary scoring. The Canucks role players were shit on both ends, the secondary scoring was non-existant and the team had a ton of lapses in their own end that were the result of poor decisions more than they were pressure or anything like that.

Of Vancouver's 8 goals, only two were scored by forwards that don't play on the first line. Phalsson was supposed to free up Kesler to get more offensive zone starts and stop drawing the top two lines, but he was lining up against Richards quite a lot, as well as Kopitar. If he really was that much of a liability, just keep him off the ice when LA's big two lines were on. That club has a mediocre bottom six, and him being able to create chances vs those match ups (and boost their crappy 2nd unit pp) would have been a huge help over what phalsson did.

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 21:27:35
April 23 2012 21:22 GMT
#1687
On April 24 2012 01:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I live in the GTA.

I love sports radio.

I'm so sick of hearing about the fucking leafs, even in the offseason....


That's what you get for living in the GTA. It will be non-stop.

On April 24 2012 02:02 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 22:24 Hawk wrote:
Having a dude who can score on the third with some consistency sure would have helped when you're down a Sedin and can't score more than 2 goals in any loss.

Having Duncan Keith not elbow Daniel in the face and have him sit out the first two playoff games would have been nice too.



Tell that to every other star player in the league.

A dozen guys got KOed in the first round.

On April 24 2012 03:48 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 03:21 Hawk wrote:
It still would not have made that trade any less retarded though, both for short term and long term prospects. He was their skill depth, and even if they were healthy, the ability to get some goals from the third is a huge boost

LA is a team that absolutely feasts on defensive breakdowns, and you think Hodgson would have been a net help?


Every team says the same thing: playoffs are a new season. L.A. stepped it up.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 23 2012 21:58 GMT
#1688
On April 23 2012 13:06 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 13:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
Woooot Kings!

I still dont understand how Vancouver manages to make every single fanbase outside of BC hate them. But hey.

Nobody hates the worst teams. Only hate the best teams. Vancouver has been the best reg season team 2 years in a row.

The Canuck's problem is the same as the Crosby problem, the media gets on their dick hard and doesnt let up and everyone else finds that degree of slavish dick sucking just too much to bear. And also, as far as I remember no other GM in the league goes on national television and cries that the refs are unfair to his team.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 23 2012 22:02 GMT
#1689
On April 23 2012 22:41 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:19 Sub40APM wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:09 Jepsyn wrote:
The game has deteriorated to such a lame level.... I don't want to watch a league where a shoulder to the face is illegal... goodbye hockey you have wimped out too far.

have fun watching MMA or whatever other blood sport you like. I am sure there are some underground fighting sports in 3rd world where people get killed, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD right?


The problem with hockey is that fans like him are prevalent, and people like him are at ALL levels in organized hockey. As long as this is the case, this is the hockey that we're going to watch.

ya i guess its true. Within the league there is this whole concept of 'toughness' and 'energy' that somehow went from aggressive forechecking and staying on your feet when cross checked to jumping into someones' face with an elbow first. And that does seem like a new development. The sad thing is, its making all those guys who say 'oh if there was one goon on each team this shit wouldnt happen' seem kind of relevant. But only because no one wants to see more refs added. Why does the NHL care? Put 3 more guys into the video room, assign them each a quadrant of the ice and give them a job to call a penalty at any time something stupid happens. Boom, problem solved. And with the stupid TV timeouts its not like the dynamics of the game are going to slow down, at least not once players realize that playing dirty hockey gets you 2 minutes min.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 22:31:40
April 23 2012 22:26 GMT
#1690
On April 24 2012 07:02 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 22:41 Zorkmid wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:19 Sub40APM wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:09 Jepsyn wrote:
The game has deteriorated to such a lame level.... I don't want to watch a league where a shoulder to the face is illegal... goodbye hockey you have wimped out too far.

have fun watching MMA or whatever other blood sport you like. I am sure there are some underground fighting sports in 3rd world where people get killed, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD right?


The problem with hockey is that fans like him are prevalent, and people like him are at ALL levels in organized hockey. As long as this is the case, this is the hockey that we're going to watch.

ya i guess its true. Within the league there is this whole concept of 'toughness' and 'energy' that somehow went from aggressive forechecking and staying on your feet when cross checked to jumping into someones' face with an elbow first. And that does seem like a new development. The sad thing is, its making all those guys who say 'oh if there was one goon on each team this shit wouldnt happen' seem kind of relevant. But only because no one wants to see more refs added. Why does the NHL care? Put 3 more guys into the video room, assign them each a quadrant of the ice and give them a job to call a penalty at any time something stupid happens. Boom, problem solved. And with the stupid TV timeouts its not like the dynamics of the game are going to slow down, at least not once players realize that playing dirty hockey gets you 2 minutes min.


Even with goons or enforcers it's a tough act to follow because the players really aren't allowed to enforce anymore with the instigating rule in effect. It is what it is. Players definitely don't have the same respect compared to 8 years ago.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 23 2012 22:35 GMT
#1691
On April 23 2012 13:22 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 13:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
Woooot Kings!

I still dont understand how Vancouver manages to make every single fanbase outside of BC hate them. But hey.


It pretty simple, Vancouver has this arrogant sense of entitlement that kind of pisses people off. Nobody likes that guy that is just all full of himself even thought he hasn't done shit.

The Canucks are like the Paris Hilton of the NHL. They think they all that, and honestly they are kinda cute... but they havn't really earned anything.


I've never really seen this sense of entitlement from the fans or the players. I've only ever heard of it from haters.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
April 23 2012 22:37 GMT
#1692
All signs point to the NHLPA wanting a drastic increase in the maximum player fine. They know the best way to curb these kinds of hits is to hit the pocket book much harder. Larger fines + suspentions should be a pretty good deterent to idiots like Cooke and Torres.

Super Mario's idea of fine the owners for employing these idiots when they screw up is also a good idea I think.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 24 2012 01:12 GMT
#1693
On April 24 2012 07:37 Orcasgt24 wrote:
All signs point to the NHLPA wanting a drastic increase in the maximum player fine. They know the best way to curb these kinds of hits is to hit the pocket book much harder. Larger fines + suspentions should be a pretty good deterent to idiots like Cooke and Torres.

Super Mario's idea of fine the owners for employing these idiots when they screw up is also a good idea I think.

Thats good to hear. I am surprised they havent taken the logical step of making the fine proportional to the players salary though. Losing 30% of your pay check if you give a guy a concussion sounds way scarier than 15k or even 100k.
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
April 24 2012 01:51 GMT
#1694
On April 23 2012 23:40 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 14:15 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:07 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:06 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
Woooot Kings!

I still dont understand how Vancouver manages to make every single fanbase outside of BC hate them. But hey.

Nobody hates the worst teams. Only hate the best teams. Vancouver has been the best reg season team 2 years in a row.


Toronto Maple Leafs anyone?

It's way more complex than that and the Canucks have been a really good team for quite some time, but I do question a few players hearts and compete levels sometimes.


Leafs hate is because of the stupid amount of media attention they get in other Canadian NHL markets. All these sports stations would rather do a editorial on the leafs losing 2 games in a row then on Ales Hemsky only scoring 10 goals this season.


No, that's your reason which a few people do indeed share especially if you come from the Ottawa Valley, where TV rights used to be an issue. There are many and I mean many reasons why people love to hate on Toronto and the Maple Leafs. Notice how I separated both?

The issue has a lot of depth.



The leafs get alot of hate because of CBC more than anything in Canada. Being forced to watch a subpar team over other canadian clubs because thats what the CBC allowed us to watch was infuriating for years, and still is to an extent, even after they were slapped around for not showing enough other Canadian clubs play. They also have a large cast of extremely biased announcers who talk about toronto even in games that toronto isnt playing in.

Try being a montreal fan and having to watch a CBC broadcast of Toronto vs Montreal sometime, there wont be a positive thing said about your team during the entire cast. Local radio stations that do their teams games show the same bias, but thats entirely different.

Still hate Boston more than I will ever hate Toronto though.... so many missed suspensions, so many dirty hits, headshots, concussions, people might say that Phi is the dirtiest team in the league, but that hasnt been true for years now.
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wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
April 24 2012 02:28 GMT
#1695
Ottawa's team is still too young and inexperienced. They fell apart for about 10 minutes and that went badly. However, they somewhat tilted. I felt that they just kinda of got too nervous and jumpy.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 03:29:10
April 24 2012 03:28 GMT
#1696
It's going to be battle of the goalies for Phoenix vs Nashville.
Hopefully Florida pulls through tomorrow. Also rooting for Ottawa and Washington.
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Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
April 24 2012 03:32 GMT
#1697
Blues vs Kings
Preds vs Coyotes

BEST RATINGS EVER RIGHT GUYS?
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 04:52:02
April 24 2012 04:40 GMT
#1698
On April 24 2012 10:51 LagLovah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 23:40 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2012 14:15 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:07 StarStruck wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:06 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On April 23 2012 13:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
Woooot Kings!

I still dont understand how Vancouver manages to make every single fanbase outside of BC hate them. But hey.

Nobody hates the worst teams. Only hate the best teams. Vancouver has been the best reg season team 2 years in a row.


Toronto Maple Leafs anyone?

It's way more complex than that and the Canucks have been a really good team for quite some time, but I do question a few players hearts and compete levels sometimes.


Leafs hate is because of the stupid amount of media attention they get in other Canadian NHL markets. All these sports stations would rather do a editorial on the leafs losing 2 games in a row then on Ales Hemsky only scoring 10 goals this season.


No, that's your reason which a few people do indeed share especially if you come from the Ottawa Valley, where TV rights used to be an issue. There are many and I mean many reasons why people love to hate on Toronto and the Maple Leafs. Notice how I separated both?

The issue has a lot of depth.



The leafs get alot of hate because of CBC more than anything in Canada. Being forced to watch a subpar team over other canadian clubs because thats what the CBC allowed us to watch was infuriating for years, and still is to an extent, even after they were slapped around for not showing enough other Canadian clubs play. They also have a large cast of extremely biased announcers who talk about toronto even in games that toronto isnt playing in.

Try being a montreal fan and having to watch a CBC broadcast of Toronto vs Montreal sometime, there wont be a positive thing said about your team during the entire cast. Local radio stations that do their teams games show the same bias, but thats entirely different.

Still hate Boston more than I will ever hate Toronto though.... so many missed suspensions, so many dirty hits, headshots, concussions, people might say that Phi is the dirtiest team in the league, but that hasnt been true for years now.



That's complete bullshit. Joe Bowen moved to LeafsTV and has been the voice of the Leafs for over 25 years. What the fuck do you expect? Harry Neale only moved to the Sabres cast recently.

It goes way beyond the CBC and the media representation. That's not even the root of the problem and yes the market is big. Blue & white disease is very real because the fanbase is really that big which is astounding considering how many problems this team has had throughout the entire organization that dates back to the sex scandal.

Toronto is a complete media circus just like any other Canadian city when it comes to hockey and there's a very good reason why they call it the center of the hockey universe.

The HQ for CBC annnnnd the NHL offices are only an attribute to the media frenzy. The other sports are only a sideshow to that of the TML.

You are forced to watch those games for two reasons on the CBC. 1) Regionally 2) TML fanbase is bigger and there is always a media circus in town no matter what's happening. The coverage is truly around the clock. The Leafs TV rights is something no other team can compete with and they do bring in the most money. No matter how bad the team, they'll talk about them and they'll continue to sellout the games because of all the corporate shit. The loyalty rests with the white collars. Considering how long they've stuck behind a losing brand, things won't change. They're fully loaded and as another guy said, when you have that many fans there's going to be an awful lot of silly ones as well.

I've lived beside Dmitri Yushkevich and as nice a guy as he is. The media is just a complete fucking joke and if you play for Toronto you have next to zero privacy.


On April 24 2012 12:32 Taku wrote:
Blues vs Kings
Preds vs Coyotes

BEST RATINGS EVER RIGHT GUYS?


I'll watch. I don't care what anyone else does because I know the d and goalies are going to be terrific. There's a reason why a several of those guys were in the Allstar game.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:34:56
April 24 2012 13:42 GMT
#1699
Yeah I am a weirdo who loves defensive hockey. I think the 90s Devils teams beat me into submission, some kind of Stockholm Syndrome shit.

I really like the Preds out of the west, and I think the Kings really could do something this post season. However, based on how all these teams play, any one of them could emerge.

oh I almost forgot, the refs in the Sens game were fuckin' tards.

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wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
April 24 2012 15:34 GMT
#1700
On April 24 2012 22:42 Hawk wrote:
Yeah I am a weirdo who loves defensive hockey. I think the 90s Devils teams beat me into submission, some kind of Stockholm Syndrome shit.

I really like the Preds out of the west, and I think the Kings really could do something this post season. However, based on how all these teams play, any one of them could emerge.

oh I almost forgot, the refs in the Sens game were fuckin' tards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zpFHweSutAs


I didn't like the ref's call on the sens in the 1st and 2nd. Seemed like both teams were playing the same (same dirty plays), but only the Sens got called on them.

Regarding the goal, Neil definitely tried to kick it in. However, I think that the fact was that they weren't sure if he actually made contact. It seems like the skate goes over the puck.
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