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On June 07 2011 04:08 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm surprised nobody, with all this talk of the refereeing, mentioned the missed backcourt violation on Chalmers's 3 to end the first quarter. I definitely don't hold that one against the refs because it was tough to tell (plus that's a thoroughly unexciting way to end the quarter) but in a game decided by a 2 point margin that decided the game as much as any other call or missed call.
The fact is the complaints about the referees in this game (series?) are getting a little ridiculous. They've been consistently not calling the minor contact that Wade and James tend to get on drives, but the Mavs have also been doing a really, really good job of not taking the bait in those situations. Most of the fouls Miami committed against the Mavs weren't shooting fouls, but they got in the bonus fairly quickly which is how Dallas would up shooting so many FT's even though they weren't attacking the basket as much.
The Heat usually DO abuse the fouling system, it's just the refs this series so far haven't been letting them do it. Props to the refs.
Dirk has been an absolute monster this series but he needs to get some help (or at the very least the Mavs in general need to stop turning the ball over) or that win in game 2 will wind up the exception rather than the rule.
Wade was impressive tonight, it seems like he's over whatever was bothering him at the end of the Chicago series/beginning of this one. I'm pretty disappointed in some of the 3-point looks that Wade and James are getting because honestly those aren't looks you should be getting in the NBA finals (Wade pull up 3, basically a set shot, at the top of the 3 point line? Kidd, you really gave that to him?).
Miami actually didn't do very much "great selling" to the refs--the refs weren't buying it this game, so that's kind of a silly accusation.
@Ace what do you mean "under-the-basket" fouls? Do you just mean fouls in general that occur underneath the basket, like going over the back or something?
The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen.
That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy.
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On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen.
That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy.
On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen.
While I do think the numbers are quite telling, at least about Game 3, I don't think they're conclusive. A few thoughts:
1. The Heat are scoring a lot in the paint, but a lot of their buckets have been layups/dunks in transition which they're typically not going to get fouled on.
2. I've seen on many occasions that DAL is making what appears to be a very large effort to not foul Wade and Lebron when they drive, even after they get by their man. There have been many occasions where Lebron and Wade have had very clear lines to the basket and the Mavs backup defenders simply get out of their way after half-hearted attempts to attack their dribble, and they end up with lightly contested layups/dunks. I heard a comment from one of the commentators that Carlisle discussed the "launching pad" area where, once Lebron and Wade get there and take off, it's basically game over for the defense because they're strong/athletic/skilled enough as finishers that they'll make the shot even if fouled. As a result, the Mavs have been instructed not to foul once Lebron and Wade have beat the defense to that point.
3. I think we all remember that Game 1 featured a lot of perimeter shooting from the Heat, even from Wade and Lebron. It was surprising b/c that has not been a strong point for them, but they were both knocking down a good number of mid-range shots, and Lebron was on fire from behind the arc.
As for the Mavs, only Dirk got a signficant number of FT attempts (12). Terry got 4, Marion got 5, Chandler got 5, and Haywood got 5. That was matched against Wade (5), Lebron (2), Bosh (12), Chalmers (4), Haslem (1), and Juwan Howard (2). Looking at those numbers, Dirk and Bosh got the same number of FTAs, Terry matched Chalmers, and Marion matched Wade. Chandler and Haywood had 5 each, but I think that's because MIA is one of those teams that doesn't like to give up easy buckets around the basket, which is all those guys do. Haywood, in particular, had shot terribly from the FT line up to this point, so sending him there was a good strategy.
Plus, both teams had roughly the same number of fouls (22 and 21), so you could argue that it was bad timing with fouls for MIA as well that resulted in the disparity.
4. Game 2, MIA had more FTAs than DAL, so I don't think there's anything to be said there.
5. Game 3 is the first game where the numbers really show a significant disparity. There was a huge difference in the number of fouls (27 to 14) and FTAs (27 to 15). I wasn't keeping careful track, but I don't remember feeling that the calls were lopsided while watching until the end when Dirk got those 4 FTAs off of questionable fouls while rebounding on the Heat's end of the floor, and Lebron didn't get FTs when he got fouled by Marion on that late perimeter shot. I seem to remember a good number of easy dunks/layups for Wade and Lebron, and that Bosh seemed a lot more tentative after the early eye poke (with good reason).
One thing to note is that DAL didn't get many more FTA than they had in the first two games, it was more that MIA got a lot fewer. Almost all of the Heat's FTAs come from their big 3, and that's been true throughout the playoffs. Thus, the numbers that jump out at me are that none of the MIA big 3 got more than 5 FTAs. In the previous two games, Bosh and Wade got double digit FTAs respectively. Bosh's eyepoke took him out as a high FTA guy since he got hesitant, and Lebron got about the same number of FTAs he's been getting all series. That left only Wade to get to the line, and it seems that the refs weren't putting him there this game. Chalmers' 4 FTAs in Game 2 contributed significantly to their total in that game, but he was on fire from behind the arc and stayed there pretty much all game as a result.
Lastly, Terry got a lot of FTAs this game, but also took only 3 3s. I think the Heat's ability to chase shooters off from the 3 has been affecting the Mavs, particularly guys like Terry who are taking a lot fewer in Games 2 and 3. As a result, he's been venturing closer to the basket, where he's been able to draw fouls while struggling from the field. Otherwise, the FTA numbers for each player don't really stand out anywhere.
Conclusion:
Ultimately Games 1 and 2 do not show a bias for the Mavs from the refs, at least not a noticeable or significant one. It was only in Game 3 where the numbers became significantly lopsided, but there are factors to consider (discussed above). One thing someone else can look at (I'm too lazy) is to look at when the Heat's fouls were occurring, and if the timing of when they were putting the Mavs in the penalty fast.
Also, the Heat were playing some great, aggressive and tough defense, better than that Mavs' in my opinion. That kind of defense, particularly one that involves so much scrambling, is going to result in more fouls, even when it's successful. The Mavs play more position defense because they don't have the speed and athleticism to get steals or blocks, and the Heat are the opposite. They aggressively go for both steals and blocks, and I think that contributes to the FTA totals as well.
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On June 07 2011 09:35 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen.
That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy. Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen. While I do think the numbers are quite telling, at least about Game 3, I don't think they're conclusive. A few thoughts: 2. I've seen on many occasions that DAL is making what appears to be a very large effort to not foul Wade and Lebron when they drive, even after they get by their man. There have been many occasions where Lebron and Wade have had very clear lines to the basket and the Mavs backup defenders simply get out of their way after half-hearted attempts to attack their dribble, and they end up with lightly contested layups/dunks. I heard a comment from one of the commentators that Carlisle discussed the "launching pad" area where, once Lebron and Wade get there and take off, it's basically game over for the defense because they're strong/athletic/skilled enough as finishers that they'll make the shot even if fouled. As a result, the Mavs have been instructed not to foul once Lebron and Wade have beat the defense to that point.
This. Miami isn't getting calls because Dallas is playing bad defense.
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On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 04:08 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm surprised nobody, with all this talk of the refereeing, mentioned the missed backcourt violation on Chalmers's 3 to end the first quarter. I definitely don't hold that one against the refs because it was tough to tell (plus that's a thoroughly unexciting way to end the quarter) but in a game decided by a 2 point margin that decided the game as much as any other call or missed call.
The fact is the complaints about the referees in this game (series?) are getting a little ridiculous. They've been consistently not calling the minor contact that Wade and James tend to get on drives, but the Mavs have also been doing a really, really good job of not taking the bait in those situations. Most of the fouls Miami committed against the Mavs weren't shooting fouls, but they got in the bonus fairly quickly which is how Dallas would up shooting so many FT's even though they weren't attacking the basket as much.
The Heat usually DO abuse the fouling system, it's just the refs this series so far haven't been letting them do it. Props to the refs.
Dirk has been an absolute monster this series but he needs to get some help (or at the very least the Mavs in general need to stop turning the ball over) or that win in game 2 will wind up the exception rather than the rule.
Wade was impressive tonight, it seems like he's over whatever was bothering him at the end of the Chicago series/beginning of this one. I'm pretty disappointed in some of the 3-point looks that Wade and James are getting because honestly those aren't looks you should be getting in the NBA finals (Wade pull up 3, basically a set shot, at the top of the 3 point line? Kidd, you really gave that to him?).
Miami actually didn't do very much "great selling" to the refs--the refs weren't buying it this game, so that's kind of a silly accusation.
@Ace what do you mean "under-the-basket" fouls? Do you just mean fouls in general that occur underneath the basket, like going over the back or something? The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen. That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy.
NEWS FLASH
Foul shots are NOT a function of points in the paint. It is not a bijective map. Everyone in here is acting like it is but seriously it's not. "Attacking the basket" is one factor but there is also the bonus, technical fouls, illegal defense and what-have-you.
A significant number of Dallas's FTAs came as a result of the bonus and not because they were attacking the basket. As Cyric pointed out in his post, there really hasn't been a disparity in FTA in the series until this most recent game, and if you actually paid attention to it there were obvious reasons Dallas shot so many FTs. Oh, and when Wade jumped on top of Kidd, that was a ticky-tack shooting foul, right?
Where are you getting that I care about the backcourt violation...? I said I was surprised that nobody mentioned it when they were talking about the referees, and that I didn't hold it against the refs because it was easy to miss (i.e. I DON'T care about it). Reading comprehension much?
Edit: Mark Jackson hired as new Golden State coach, hopefully for them he's a better coach than he is an analyst.
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On June 07 2011 12:12 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 07 2011 04:08 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm surprised nobody, with all this talk of the refereeing, mentioned the missed backcourt violation on Chalmers's 3 to end the first quarter. I definitely don't hold that one against the refs because it was tough to tell (plus that's a thoroughly unexciting way to end the quarter) but in a game decided by a 2 point margin that decided the game as much as any other call or missed call.
The fact is the complaints about the referees in this game (series?) are getting a little ridiculous. They've been consistently not calling the minor contact that Wade and James tend to get on drives, but the Mavs have also been doing a really, really good job of not taking the bait in those situations. Most of the fouls Miami committed against the Mavs weren't shooting fouls, but they got in the bonus fairly quickly which is how Dallas would up shooting so many FT's even though they weren't attacking the basket as much.
The Heat usually DO abuse the fouling system, it's just the refs this series so far haven't been letting them do it. Props to the refs.
Dirk has been an absolute monster this series but he needs to get some help (or at the very least the Mavs in general need to stop turning the ball over) or that win in game 2 will wind up the exception rather than the rule.
Wade was impressive tonight, it seems like he's over whatever was bothering him at the end of the Chicago series/beginning of this one. I'm pretty disappointed in some of the 3-point looks that Wade and James are getting because honestly those aren't looks you should be getting in the NBA finals (Wade pull up 3, basically a set shot, at the top of the 3 point line? Kidd, you really gave that to him?).
Miami actually didn't do very much "great selling" to the refs--the refs weren't buying it this game, so that's kind of a silly accusation.
@Ace what do you mean "under-the-basket" fouls? Do you just mean fouls in general that occur underneath the basket, like going over the back or something? The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen. That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy. NEWS FLASH Foul shots are NOT a function of points in the paint. It is not a bijective map. Everyone in here is acting like it is but seriously it's not. "Attacking the basket" is one factor but there is also the bonus, technical fouls, illegal defense and what-have-you. A significant number of Dallas's FTAs came as a result of the bonus and not because they were attacking the basket. As Cyric pointed out in his post, there really hasn't been a disparity in FTA in the series until this most recent game, and if you actually paid attention to it there were obvious reasons Dallas shot so many FTs. Oh, and when Wade jumped on top of Kidd, that was a ticky-tack shooting foul, right? Where are you getting that I care about the backcourt violation...? I said I was surprised that nobody mentioned it when they were talking about the referees, and that I didn't hold it against the refs because it was easy to miss (i.e. I DON'T care about it). Reading comprehension much? Edit: Mark Jackson hired as new Golden State coach, hopefully for them he's a better coach than he is an analyst.
WTF is with all the coaching retreads? I still hear people talk about Avery Johnson.
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hmm... Gordon Hayward is the new Sea.
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Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
? What does this have to do with the NBA?
Edit: nvm, saw another thread titled: Gordon Haywood NBA player streaming.
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On June 07 2011 14:11 Seeker wrote:? What does this have to do with the NBA? Edit: nvm, saw another thread titled: Gordon Haywood NBA player streaming.
He is that NBA forward with Jazz who can't rebound.
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On June 07 2011 12:52 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 12:12 ilikejokes wrote:On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 07 2011 04:08 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm surprised nobody, with all this talk of the refereeing, mentioned the missed backcourt violation on Chalmers's 3 to end the first quarter. I definitely don't hold that one against the refs because it was tough to tell (plus that's a thoroughly unexciting way to end the quarter) but in a game decided by a 2 point margin that decided the game as much as any other call or missed call.
The fact is the complaints about the referees in this game (series?) are getting a little ridiculous. They've been consistently not calling the minor contact that Wade and James tend to get on drives, but the Mavs have also been doing a really, really good job of not taking the bait in those situations. Most of the fouls Miami committed against the Mavs weren't shooting fouls, but they got in the bonus fairly quickly which is how Dallas would up shooting so many FT's even though they weren't attacking the basket as much.
The Heat usually DO abuse the fouling system, it's just the refs this series so far haven't been letting them do it. Props to the refs.
Dirk has been an absolute monster this series but he needs to get some help (or at the very least the Mavs in general need to stop turning the ball over) or that win in game 2 will wind up the exception rather than the rule.
Wade was impressive tonight, it seems like he's over whatever was bothering him at the end of the Chicago series/beginning of this one. I'm pretty disappointed in some of the 3-point looks that Wade and James are getting because honestly those aren't looks you should be getting in the NBA finals (Wade pull up 3, basically a set shot, at the top of the 3 point line? Kidd, you really gave that to him?).
Miami actually didn't do very much "great selling" to the refs--the refs weren't buying it this game, so that's kind of a silly accusation.
@Ace what do you mean "under-the-basket" fouls? Do you just mean fouls in general that occur underneath the basket, like going over the back or something? The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen. That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy. NEWS FLASH Foul shots are NOT a function of points in the paint. It is not a bijective map. Everyone in here is acting like it is but seriously it's not. "Attacking the basket" is one factor but there is also the bonus, technical fouls, illegal defense and what-have-you. A significant number of Dallas's FTAs came as a result of the bonus and not because they were attacking the basket. As Cyric pointed out in his post, there really hasn't been a disparity in FTA in the series until this most recent game, and if you actually paid attention to it there were obvious reasons Dallas shot so many FTs. Oh, and when Wade jumped on top of Kidd, that was a ticky-tack shooting foul, right? Where are you getting that I care about the backcourt violation...? I said I was surprised that nobody mentioned it when they were talking about the referees, and that I didn't hold it against the refs because it was easy to miss (i.e. I DON'T care about it). Reading comprehension much? Edit: Mark Jackson hired as new Golden State coach, hopefully for them he's a better coach than he is an analyst. WTF is with all the coaching retreads? I still hear people talk about Avery Johnson.
Pistons are next. :/ Fully expecting disappointment.
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On June 07 2011 14:17 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 12:52 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2011 12:12 ilikejokes wrote:On June 07 2011 08:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 07 2011 04:08 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm surprised nobody, with all this talk of the refereeing, mentioned the missed backcourt violation on Chalmers's 3 to end the first quarter. I definitely don't hold that one against the refs because it was tough to tell (plus that's a thoroughly unexciting way to end the quarter) but in a game decided by a 2 point margin that decided the game as much as any other call or missed call.
The fact is the complaints about the referees in this game (series?) are getting a little ridiculous. They've been consistently not calling the minor contact that Wade and James tend to get on drives, but the Mavs have also been doing a really, really good job of not taking the bait in those situations. Most of the fouls Miami committed against the Mavs weren't shooting fouls, but they got in the bonus fairly quickly which is how Dallas would up shooting so many FT's even though they weren't attacking the basket as much.
The Heat usually DO abuse the fouling system, it's just the refs this series so far haven't been letting them do it. Props to the refs.
Dirk has been an absolute monster this series but he needs to get some help (or at the very least the Mavs in general need to stop turning the ball over) or that win in game 2 will wind up the exception rather than the rule.
Wade was impressive tonight, it seems like he's over whatever was bothering him at the end of the Chicago series/beginning of this one. I'm pretty disappointed in some of the 3-point looks that Wade and James are getting because honestly those aren't looks you should be getting in the NBA finals (Wade pull up 3, basically a set shot, at the top of the 3 point line? Kidd, you really gave that to him?).
Miami actually didn't do very much "great selling" to the refs--the refs weren't buying it this game, so that's kind of a silly accusation.
@Ace what do you mean "under-the-basket" fouls? Do you just mean fouls in general that occur underneath the basket, like going over the back or something? The heat got nearly twice as many in the paint points and nearly half as many fouls. That you somehow, in your wildest dreams, don't think that the foul calls have been unambiguously and almost disgustingly in Dallas' favor this entire series is one of the most deluded opinions I've seen. That entire last game was the refs calling 80% ticky tack rebounding and shooting foul in Dallas favor. This entire series, the fouling margin is hugely in Dallas favor despite the fact that they don't drive the basket even a third as much, nor are they as disciplined a defense at staying out of foul trouble (Dallas defense has been good but they are clearly not of the calibre of Miami). It's a joke that the one thing you care about is the one backcourt violation that the refs and everyone else in the world missed until the replay brought it up 30 minutes later. It's so bafflingly biased that I'm embarassed to read it. Tell me how many times you heard "loose ball foul" last night where it was all incidental contact that happens EVERYTIME someone goes up for a rebound (the mavs were doing everything Miami was without a single call). I want the mavs to win this series because I like Dirk more than anyone else on the court, but your posts throughout this entire thread have been fox newsworthy. NEWS FLASH Foul shots are NOT a function of points in the paint. It is not a bijective map. Everyone in here is acting like it is but seriously it's not. "Attacking the basket" is one factor but there is also the bonus, technical fouls, illegal defense and what-have-you. A significant number of Dallas's FTAs came as a result of the bonus and not because they were attacking the basket. As Cyric pointed out in his post, there really hasn't been a disparity in FTA in the series until this most recent game, and if you actually paid attention to it there were obvious reasons Dallas shot so many FTs. Oh, and when Wade jumped on top of Kidd, that was a ticky-tack shooting foul, right? Where are you getting that I care about the backcourt violation...? I said I was surprised that nobody mentioned it when they were talking about the referees, and that I didn't hold it against the refs because it was easy to miss (i.e. I DON'T care about it). Reading comprehension much? Edit: Mark Jackson hired as new Golden State coach, hopefully for them he's a better coach than he is an analyst. WTF is with all the coaching retreads? I still hear people talk about Avery Johnson. Pistons are next. :/ Fully expecting disappointment.
Dont worry, in 4 years the Magic will hire Vinny Del Negro and the Kings will hire Scott Skiles.
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Miami-Dallas (NBA Finals Game 3): Initial review of ref calls gives Miami a 4-point advantage
That's the headline of refcalls.com on Game 3.
If you guys are just going to spout opinions on the refs, then whatever, but some of you are just making statements about your opinions, while acting like you're more knowledgeable about this stuff, when you're clearly not.
Basically quit talking out your ass. RefCalls.com does the best breakdown of NBA refereeing, a lower priority topic than I'd like to discuss personally, but at least if you're going to discuss it, stop making stuff up.
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On June 07 2011 15:55 Ace wrote:
so whats your point?
Just a guess, but maybe he's saying that the people saying the refereeing was zomg in Dallas's favor can suck it.
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Then I'm getting the impression he himself is talking out of his ass and not reading the thread. People in here were discussing foul calls, where as that site was discussing MISSED calls such as traveling violations. Then there's this:
Excluding missed travels, we counted the refs missing or getting wrong 12 calls that favored Dallas resulting in 5 points being scored directly because of those calls, and 5 calls/no-calls that favored Miami resulting in 4 points. That’s a 1-point advantage for Dallas.
And next they talk about how the NBA rulebook is doesn't do a good job of explaining how to judge the Mario Chalmers play.
So it didn't really have much to do with the discussion going on in the last few pages anyway.
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On June 07 2011 08:43 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Discussion point 4 on this page is pretty interesting to me because it seems the general opinion from most fans is that MIA is dominating the series for the most part, with the Mavs only making desperate comebacks at the very end. "4. In 12 quarters, Mavs have won 5, Heat 4, with 3 ties." http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/story?page=5-on-5-110606If that's accurate, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be, then this series is about as close as you can get and the Mavs are actually doing quite well considering that no one on DAL other than Dirk has stepped up at any point in the series. Credit goes to MIA's defense, but I can't get away from my impression while watching the games that the Mavs are missing a lot of shots they usually make.
I would disagree. It's always Miami with the lead this series, and Dallas catching up. For moments, when the Heat are on a run, they look pretty desperate (I have to mention game 2 when Head were on their roll, but we know how that finished). Game 3 was even more like that. The only thing that kept them in the game are Nowitzki and some loose ball fouls that could have gone either way. I can't help but feel that Dallas is on a verge of breaking down, being on a loosing end of a 10+ Heat streak and never recovering.
But that's just me.
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Marc Jackson is the Golden State coach.
Here's what I expect from him:
"Give it to ____ and get out of the way":
His offense, particularly in the fourth quarter will be extremely efficient Monta Ellis isolations. Never mind ball movement or assists when you're not double teamed.
"Hand down, man down"
If the defender ever has his hand down, jack up a jumpshot. Doesn't matter if it's a long 2 with your foot on the 3 point line.
"Not on my watch!"
Don't bother to catch the blocks, just send them as far out into the stands as you can. Maintaining possession? That's something that chumps like Bill Russell care about
"Momma there goes that man"
If your guy blows past you, you should stop and admire his talent and quickness.
Golden State leads the league in offensive and defensive efficiency and wins the 2011-12 season next year, you heard it here first.
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Good luck to Mark Jackson because he's going to need it. Golden State firing Keith Smart was a very bad PR move for them next season.
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On June 07 2011 16:09 igotmyown wrote:
Marc Jackson is the Golden State coach.
Here's what I expect from him:
"Give it to ____ and get out of the way":
His offense, particularly in the fourth quarter will be extremely efficient Monta Ellis isolations. Never mind ball movement or assists when you're not double teamed.
"Hand down, man down"
If the defender ever has his hand down, jack up a jumpshot. Doesn't matter if it's a long 2 with your foot on the 3 point line.
"Not on my watch!"
Don't bother to catch the blocks, just send them as far out into the stands as you can. Maintaining possession? That's something that chumps like Bill Russell care about
"Momma there goes that man"
If your guy blows past you, you should stop and admire his talent and quickness.
Golden State leads the league in offensive and defensive efficiency and wins the 2011-12 season next year, you heard it here first.
owning
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On June 07 2011 01:51 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 18:33 MilesTeg wrote:
Miami is such a horrible team. Iso after iso, a few lucky shots and some great selling to the refs... It's these kinds of outlandish statements made with no factual support that irk the regulars in this thread. Please try to at least back up your arguments somehow.
Most of their half court offense comes from isolating Wade or Lebron, or a simple pick and roll with the other 3 players standing in the corner picking their noses, which is bad for the evolution of the game IMO. They have one of the ugliest offence I've seen in an NBA finals recently. In fact Cleveland was the only other one as ugly.
In the past we've had teams like San Antonio, Boston, Detroit, Dallas, even Los Angeles dominating the league. All of them have good ball movement and a good offensive flow. As a fan, going back to this kind of basketball seems like a huge step backwards.
I'll add that's it's not an outlandish statement, it's an expression of my opinion on the estethics of Miami's offence.
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