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On April 11 2011 14:44 FQD1911 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:34 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
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A healthy Shaq will change things you think Lebron will throw the ball to Shaq? Shaq is still very strong inside.
If CHI meets MIA in the ECF I'm calling it here Miami will win. lol ok. what evidence this year even shows this will happen? Miami played with signing Eddy Curry. EDDY F'N CURRY!!!!! c'mon now....
What evidence do you need? Shaq isn't Kristic and J. O'Neal the size of Shaq doesn't let Lebron and D Wade get in the paint thats what I'm talking about thats how you beat Miami you lock down the paint and force D wade and Lebron to beat you with jumpers.
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On April 11 2011 14:49 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:09 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
Like horse said last year the Celtics were a 500 team after the All Star break and the #4 seed and still almost won the finals. Two problems 1) that doesn't mean every .500 team after the All Star break will win the finals. 2) They didn't win the finals. They weren't good enough last year, and they are stagnating since last year.
1)Who said they do? all Horse and I trying to say is Boston is a veteran team Doc Rivers knows he needs to have his old ass vets well rested for the playoffs.
2)They weren't good enough? Did you watch the finals? if Perkins haven't blew out his knee the Celtics would of won. The Lakers won, because the lack of quality size they had once Perkins got hurt Gasol was able to dominate no one had the size to keep a Bynum off the boards. Why do you think the Celtics signed both of the O'Neal's.
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On April 11 2011 08:34 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:25 FQD1911 wrote:
Boston might mess around and get swept (or beat in 5). if Shaq's playing, they can delay it a little, but I don't see them beating Miami.
Miami vs. Chicago for the ECF. then, the Heat's bench will be thoroughly exposed. A healthy Shaq will change things you think Lebron will throw the ball to Shaq? Shaq is still very strong inside. If CHI meets MIA in the ECF I'm calling it here Miami will win.
Lol dude your honestly crazy, Miamis record vs Bulls and Celtics 1-6, Bulls record vs Heat and Celtics 5-2. Which team has the better closer? Derrick Rose by far, I would love to see you argue and tell me its Lebron or should I say Lechoke. IF Miami gets by the 76ers/knicks and IF they get by Boston THEN they WILL lose to Chicago. Chicago is only worried about one team and thats the Lakers. However I think D Rose is ready to snap the Torch out of Kobes hands and win not only the regular season MVP but take home the finals MVP as well "since that's the only one that matters" saying things like that to Rose will seriously only motivate him and make him even more dangerous. I watch the Bulls play everyday and they are by far the most COMPLETE team in the league
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One does not simply lock down d Wade and lebron James in the paint.
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On April 11 2011 15:08 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:49 igotmyown wrote:On April 11 2011 14:09 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
Like horse said last year the Celtics were a 500 team after the All Star break and the #4 seed and still almost won the finals. Two problems 1) that doesn't mean every .500 team after the All Star break will win the finals. 2) They didn't win the finals. They weren't good enough last year, and they are stagnating since last year. 1)Who said they do? all Horse and I trying to say is Boston is a veteran team Doc Rivers knows he needs to have his old ass vets well rested for the playoffs. 2)They weren't good enough? Did you watch the finals? if Perkins haven't blew out his knee the Celtics would of won. The Lakers won, because the lack of quality size they had once Perkins got hurt Gasol was able to dominate no one had the size to keep a Bynum off the boards. Why do you think the Celtics signed both of the O'Neal's.
They have Perkins this year either. Last year they had Rasheed Wallace (see previous post). Rasheed Wallace was better than Shaq is.
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The games they lost vs the Bulls were so close yes they had the better closer at the time, but if they meet in the ECF I'm calling it now the Heat will beat the Bulls.
I'm not going to agrue about Shaq being a better player then Rasheed Wallace.
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he's not saying overall, he's saying 2010 Finals Rasheed Wallace > 2011 Shaquille O'neal (and he's on the money).
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On April 11 2011 14:58 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
What evidence do you need? Shaq isn't Kristic and J. O'Neal the size of Shaq doesn't let Lebron and D Wade get in the paint thats what I'm talking about thats how you beat Miami you lock down the paint and force D wade and Lebron to beat you with jumpers.
ok, so let me get this straight:
1) you're counting on Shaq being healthy through the playoffs w/ no previous evidence suggesting he could muster this
2) you're suggesting Chicago has no size (which they do...in fact, outside of the Lakers, they probably have the best big man depth in the league)
3) you're assuming Chicago has not used the formula you stated to beat Miami (which they have; if you watched all 3 games, you would know this).
I was asking for a lucid argument as to how you expect Miami to beat Chicago in a Bo7 when they haven't beaten them once this season. Miami's bench still sucks...even with D-Wade & LeBron at least being on the court at all times, you still have Bosh out there (and he can still be a liability).
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On April 11 2011 14:58 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:44 FQD1911 wrote:On April 11 2011 08:34 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
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A healthy Shaq will change things you think Lebron will throw the ball to Shaq? Shaq is still very strong inside.
If CHI meets MIA in the ECF I'm calling it here Miami will win. lol ok. what evidence this year even shows this will happen? Miami played with signing Eddy Curry. EDDY F'N CURRY!!!!! c'mon now.... What evidence do you need? Shaq isn't Kristic and J. O'Neal the size of Shaq doesn't let Lebron and D Wade get in the paint thats what I'm talking about thats how you beat Miami you lock down the paint and force D wade and Lebron to beat you with jumpers.
I think the key is more to score in the paint vs Miami as much as possible to prevent long rebounds and run outs, take care of the ball and slow the running game down. They've got a pretty poor half-court offense and no post-up threat. I'll be interested to see how this team adapts in the playoffs when shit slows down to a grind. I think they'll be a bit like the Suns in recent years.
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On April 11 2011 15:15 BalliSLife wrote:
One does not simply lock down d Wade and lebron James in the paint.
i see what you did there
At any rate can we stop with the guarantees that this will happen, this will happen. If you're wrong you stop posting for 2 weeks and everyone forgets that you said anything, if you're right you come back and brag about how smart you are and that's just annoying
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Damn in that case I'll have so many weeks stacked against me I should just move on to the hockey thread.
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On April 11 2011 15:15 BalliSLife wrote:
One does not simply lock down d Wade and lebron James in the paint.
What? Neither has a reliable post game at all. Shutting down the Lakers in the paint does not happen, shutting down the Heat in the paint...that is how you beat them.
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On April 12 2011 02:47 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 15:15 BalliSLife wrote:
One does not simply lock down d Wade and lebron James in the paint. What? Neither has a reliable post game at all. Shutting down the Lakers in the paint does not happen, shutting down the Heat in the paint...that is how you beat them.
i think most people are thinking run n gun layups and dunks rather than true posting
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Throughout the season, wasn't there some sort of "buzz" on lebrons post game and how it improved? Or was I just high that day?
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consider that during the regular season, lebron was prob the only person on that team that could actually post up against the better of the league ... :p
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On April 11 2011 16:55 FQD1911 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:58 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
What evidence do you need? Shaq isn't Kristic and J. O'Neal the size of Shaq doesn't let Lebron and D Wade get in the paint thats what I'm talking about thats how you beat Miami you lock down the paint and force D wade and Lebron to beat you with jumpers. ok, so let me get this straight: 1) you're counting on Shaq being healthy through the playoffs w/ no previous evidence suggesting he could muster this 2) you're suggesting Chicago has no size (which they do...in fact, outside of the Lakers, they probably have the best big man depth in the league) 3) you're assuming Chicago has not used the formula you stated to beat Miami (which they have; if you watched all 3 games, you would know this). I was asking for a lucid argument as to how you expect Miami to beat Chicago in a Bo7 when they haven't beaten them once this season. Miami's bench still sucks...even with D-Wade & LeBron at least being on the court at all times, you still have Bosh out there (and he can still be a liability).
Like I said before for the Celtics to make a serious playoff run deep into the playoffs they need a healthy Shaq.
When did I suggested that Chicago has no size? I said I will bet that if Miami meets the Bulls in ECF. Both of them have to get thru 2 good teams don't think the Magic will just roll on their backs and if Miami can get passed by the Celtics I think Miami will beat the Bulls I never said they lacked size. 3-0 a total of 8 pt difference in two of the games the Heat had a 10+ lead? You think the Bulls dominated them or something? the Bulls execution in the end was better and they didn't have all the shit "who is the closer?" everyone knows D Rose will get the ball and everyone esle spot up or crash after he goes up with it. The Heat bench has struggled can't argue with that. Bosh is liability vs a certain type of players like KG tough players who like to bang down low. But Bosh vs skilled big men like Gasol Bosh is just as good as any skilled big man. Bosh ain't a bad defender but he ain't great either if your talking about pick rolls with Derrick Rose then the whole NBA 4/5 spots are liabitity.
How is a 2010 Wallace better then a 2011 Shaq? Wallace shoot 40% 28% from 3s spreading the floor yeah Wallace has a advantage, but shooting 28%? in the Finals vs the Lakers wasn't much better 36%.
2011 Shaq shooting 67%, but for me the biggest reason why Shaq is so important just because his massive size down low. I'm not talking about his offense the celtics share the ball when they playing good you never know how will score next. His inside presence when Lebron or D Wade or any great scorer who likes to get in the lane is greater than a Wallace how can you argue that? Wallace a good defender, but Shaq is a better fit then Wallace.
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On April 12 2011 01:17 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 15:15 BalliSLife wrote:
One does not simply lock down d Wade and lebron James in the paint. i see what you did there At any rate can we stop with the guarantees that this will happen, this will happen. If you're wrong you stop posting for 2 weeks and everyone forgets that you said anything, if you're right you come back and brag about how smart you are and that's just annoying
If I'm wrong I won't stop posting if thats what you do when your wrong thats cool, but i will just man up and say i was wrong If I was right i don't brag the only thing I care about NBA wise is for the Miami Heat to do as good as they can I could care less if I'm right or wrong
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"Where Amazing happens" = "Where Anything can happen" ?
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Every time Shaq goes on the floor I watched to see if the Celtics/Cavs/Suns made a run. I mean, strong interior presence + 67% fg%, they should be scoring a lot more than opponents.
But when he subs on while the rest of the team stays the same, that just doesn't happen. I'm not entirely sure why. I think it's a combination of him fouling too much - this season his fouls per 36 minutes is 5.7 (which contrary to common belief hurts the team if the opponent is not an atrocious foul shooter), turnovers if you try to get him the ball too far from the basket, lower rebounding, and his defensive mobility being the anti-Duncan.
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