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On March 16 2011 06:37 MooMOo wrote:John wall just shows how amazing Derrick Rose really is. Everyone thought Wall would be better then Rose (Better shooter/Better defender/ same athletism) Now admitidly Rose had a better supporting cast when he first got to Chicago (they went 33-49 the year before rose got there) Washinton went 26-56 last year, and are currently 16-49, which is on track to do worse, great players dont make there team worse  All in all Wall seems really solid, just another number in the Golden Age of point guards. In any other era he might of been the next super PG. But in this era with all the super PG's (Rose/Dwill/CP3/Westbrook/Rondo) Then Really solid PGs like Steph Curry and Jennings. Then the oldies Nash/JK, he will be just another PG.
what a world to live in where you can consider john wall "just another PG". in what rulebook does it say only 1 superstar is allowed ... all players of great skill should be acknowledged as such
but to me though ... john wall reminds me of a certain derrick rose a little while back. unrefined, but clearly having the physical potential to be something great.
rose vs wall will be a great matchup in the years to come.
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On March 16 2011 06:37 MooMOo wrote:John wall just shows how amazing Derrick Rose really is. Everyone thought Wall would be better then Rose (Better shooter/Better defender/ same athletism) Now admitidly Rose had a better supporting cast when he first got to Chicago (they went 33-49 the year before rose got there) Washinton went 26-56 last year, and are currently 16-49, which is on track to do worse, great players dont make there team worse All in all Wall seems really solid, just another number in the Golden Age of point guards. In any other era he might of been the next super PG. But in this era with all the super PG's (Rose/Dwill/CP3/Westbrook/Rondo) Then Really solid PGs like Steph Curry and Jennings. Then the oldies Nash/JK, he will be just another PG.
whoa...I dont think anyone thought Wall would be better than Rose in his first year.
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On March 16 2011 08:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:37 MooMOo wrote:John wall just shows how amazing Derrick Rose really is. Everyone thought Wall would be better then Rose (Better shooter/Better defender/ same athletism) Now admitidly Rose had a better supporting cast when he first got to Chicago (they went 33-49 the year before rose got there) Washinton went 26-56 last year, and are currently 16-49, which is on track to do worse, great players dont make there team worse All in all Wall seems really solid, just another number in the Golden Age of point guards. In any other era he might of been the next super PG. But in this era with all the super PG's (Rose/Dwill/CP3/Westbrook/Rondo) Then Really solid PGs like Steph Curry and Jennings. Then the oldies Nash/JK, he will be just another PG. whoa...I dont think anyone thought Wall would be better than Rose in his first year.
I do think some people were thinking that he might be better than Reke in his first year though, even though Reke is/was godly his first year.
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Big fan of Wall, I think, long term, he will be better than Westbrook and Rondo. He doesn't have Westbrook's "jumpability" or Rondo's freakydeaky wingspan, but Wall is like right in between those two. Stats definitely don't back this up, just gut feeling.
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So uh, I just did ESPN's playoffs simulation thing and when I did it based on Hollinger's predictions I got a MEMPHIS vs Chicago finals.
Lol?
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On March 16 2011 08:29 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:26 Ace wrote:On March 16 2011 06:37 MooMOo wrote:John wall just shows how amazing Derrick Rose really is. Everyone thought Wall would be better then Rose (Better shooter/Better defender/ same athletism) Now admitidly Rose had a better supporting cast when he first got to Chicago (they went 33-49 the year before rose got there) Washinton went 26-56 last year, and are currently 16-49, which is on track to do worse, great players dont make there team worse All in all Wall seems really solid, just another number in the Golden Age of point guards. In any other era he might of been the next super PG. But in this era with all the super PG's (Rose/Dwill/CP3/Westbrook/Rondo) Then Really solid PGs like Steph Curry and Jennings. Then the oldies Nash/JK, he will be just another PG. whoa...I dont think anyone thought Wall would be better than Rose in his first year. I do think some people were thinking that he might be better than Reke in his first year though, even though Reke is/was godly his first year.
Then those people really didn't know anything to begin with. Tyreke Evans rookie year was so ridiculous for John Wall to top that he'd be in the "better than Blake Griffin" zone.
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On March 15 2011 11:24 JiYan wrote:
love gsw basketball <3. offense vs orlando then defense versus the wolves. but seriously if you havent seen the orlando game you guys have to catch it
I love when the Warriors get railed on by Sac...
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I really don't get a lot of the rookie hype. Some players (Lebron, Durant, Carmelo, Griffin, Duncan, Shaq) are obvious. Back when he was a rookie, if I said, you know I think this Lebron is going to turn out to be pretty good, look at his upside, people would treat me as if I said the world is round.
Tyreke Evans and John Wall and Rose don't/didn't make me feel that way. They have a lot of potential/are surprisingly good for a rookie. They make me feel like everyone wants them to become really good players for the aforementioned reasons.
Not saying they won't be allstars, but why do people seem to treat them like Durant, but nobody talks/ed that way about Cousins or, (erm, 2009 wasn't great), Westbrook or Love?
Because the last two years were pretty weak drafts, I think people are just fauning over any player with high potential. It doesn't mean much if you say the #1 pick is special unless they're tearing it up like Blake/Amare. Now if you say a #10 pick is special, that means something.
That ends my somewhat incoherent rant.
Edit: I would compare Evans to Steve Francis, who also won rookie of the year, was a franchise player, and may or may not have won all star selections. Or Elton Brand or Mike Miller.
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The last 2 years were really good drafts imo. In fact from 2006 - 2009 you got a number of great players.
Lebron as a rookie was a sure thing. I don't know who would look at you funny for making that prediction 
Evans actually had a better rookie year than Rose but since he played in Sacramento he wasn't getting the kind of push Rose was. Westbrook didn't really "break out" until his second year iirc and Love was on the bench. With Love what happened is that people suspected he would be a great rebounder but no one knew he could score and shoot at such a high level. With Westbrook he was SG being turned into a PG that wasn't a great shooter but awesome defender. Out of no where he blows up into a monster.
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The last 2 years were really good drafts imo. In fact from 2006 - 2009 you got a number of great players.
Last year's draft was very strong, continuing the trend that the NBA is heading towards a more PG driven league. After Blake, the draft's most successful players to date were pretty much all guards. Evans, Curry, B. jennings, Ty Lawson, collison, and even Beaubois late in the draft. Some might say this year's draft was weak, but it's certainly a little too early to tell.
Because the last two years were pretty weak drafts, I think people are just fauning over any player with high potential. It doesn't mean much if you say the #1 pick is special unless they're tearing it up like Blake/Amare. Now if you say a #10 pick is special, that means something..
First of all, Blake was from last year's draft. And from a media standpoint, John Wall has gotten pretty much as much hype as Blake and Rose (and Beasley) did. If you're talking about the absolutes like Lebron and such, I don't think even Blake got that hype. The last player to get that kind of hype was probably Lebron himself. Even Durant was sharing the limelight/overshadowed by Greg Oden.
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On March 16 2011 08:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:29 Judicator wrote:On March 16 2011 08:26 Ace wrote:On March 16 2011 06:37 MooMOo wrote:John wall just shows how amazing Derrick Rose really is. Everyone thought Wall would be better then Rose (Better shooter/Better defender/ same athletism) Now admitidly Rose had a better supporting cast when he first got to Chicago (they went 33-49 the year before rose got there) Washinton went 26-56 last year, and are currently 16-49, which is on track to do worse, great players dont make there team worse All in all Wall seems really solid, just another number in the Golden Age of point guards. In any other era he might of been the next super PG. But in this era with all the super PG's (Rose/Dwill/CP3/Westbrook/Rondo) Then Really solid PGs like Steph Curry and Jennings. Then the oldies Nash/JK, he will be just another PG. whoa...I dont think anyone thought Wall would be better than Rose in his first year. I do think some people were thinking that he might be better than Reke in his first year though, even though Reke is/was godly his first year. Then those people really didn't know anything to begin with. Tyreke Evans rookie year was so ridiculous for John Wall to top that he'd be in the "better than Blake Griffin" zone.
The thought was that Wall would be better overall as a PG because a lot of people thought Tyreke was playing out of position. Of course Tyreke is amazing but top tier PGs generally affect the team more than SGs, with a couple of obvious historical exceptions.
Strictly speaking as a 1, who can really question Wall's greatness? Take it for what you will because Assist numbers are convoluted, but he's average 1APG higher than Chris Paul and Jason Kidd did as rookies. Tyreke is definitely a better scorer though.
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I think Wall is really good. Definitely going to have an amazing career. But as a player to player comparison I think Evans had such a good rookie year anyone saying Wall would surpass that was setting themselves up to be disappointed.
With John Wall carving out assist numbers that high on such a shitty team he does deserve some more recognition of his talent though.
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On March 16 2011 09:51 igotmyown wrote:
I really don't get a lot of the rookie hype. Some players (Lebron, Durant, Carmelo, Griffin, Duncan, Shaq) are obvious. Back when he was a rookie, if I said, you know I think this Lebron is going to turn out to be pretty good, look at his upside, people would treat me as if I said the world is round.
Tyreke Evans and John Wall and Rose don't/didn't make me feel that way. They have a lot of potential/are surprisingly good for a rookie. They make me feel like everyone wants them to become really good players for the aforementioned reasons.
Not saying they won't be allstars, but why do people seem to treat them like Durant, but nobody talks/ed that way about Cousins or, (erm, 2009 wasn't great), Westbrook or Love?
Because the last two years were pretty weak drafts, I think people are just fauning over any player with high potential. It doesn't mean much if you say the #1 pick is special unless they're tearing it up like Blake/Amare. Now if you say a #10 pick is special, that means something.
That ends my somewhat incoherent rant.
Edit: I would compare Evans to Steve Francis, who also won rookie of the year, was a franchise player, and may or may not have won all star selections. Or Elton Brand or Mike Miller.
i dont get what youre saying with those other players ... westbrook, love, etc, sure got my attention and alot of other ppl as well. ive drafted westbrook into my fantasy team 2 years straight now.
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Evan Turner who?
Looking back at the 2010 draft, it does look incredibly weak after Wall. Cousins and Monroe have turned out to be decent top 10 picks, but everyone else seems to have a lot more development ahead of them. I guess Favors and wesley Johnson have performed alright as well.
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On March 16 2011 11:11 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:51 igotmyown wrote:
I really don't get a lot of the rookie hype. Some players (Lebron, Durant, Carmelo, Griffin, Duncan, Shaq) are obvious. Back when he was a rookie, if I said, you know I think this Lebron is going to turn out to be pretty good, look at his upside, people would treat me as if I said the world is round.
Tyreke Evans and John Wall and Rose don't/didn't make me feel that way. They have a lot of potential/are surprisingly good for a rookie. They make me feel like everyone wants them to become really good players for the aforementioned reasons.
Not saying they won't be allstars, but why do people seem to treat them like Durant, but nobody talks/ed that way about Cousins or, (erm, 2009 wasn't great), Westbrook or Love?
Because the last two years were pretty weak drafts, I think people are just fauning over any player with high potential. It doesn't mean much if you say the #1 pick is special unless they're tearing it up like Blake/Amare. Now if you say a #10 pick is special, that means something.
That ends my somewhat incoherent rant.
Edit: I would compare Evans to Steve Francis, who also won rookie of the year, was a franchise player, and may or may not have won all star selections. Or Elton Brand or Mike Miller.
i dont get what youre saying with those other players ... westbrook, love, etc, sure got my attention and alot of other ppl as well. ive drafted westbrook into my fantasy team 2 years straight now.
But Westbrook didn't have that much attention on draft day compared to Lebron, Duncan, Griffin, Wall. He seems like an obvious star now, but Rose and Beasley had way more attention in 2008. Even Mayo had more attention from the media (some for being a good athlete, some for personality issues...)
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On March 16 2011 10:55 Jibba wrote:
The thought was that Wall would be better overall as a PG because a lot of people thought Tyreke was playing out of position. Of course Tyreke is amazing but top tier PGs generally affect the team more than SGs, with a couple of obvious historical exceptions.
Strictly speaking as a 1, who can really question Wall's greatness? Take it for what you will because Assist numbers are convoluted, but he's average 1APG higher than Chris Paul and Jason Kidd did as rookies. Tyreke is definitely a better scorer though.
I still want to see Tyreke develop as a point guard, though at this point, I'm basically hoping against hope. Still, he's so tall and so buff that he could guard some threes in the league. As for his scoring, I've seen the guy drive into the paint against the Lakers' bigs and turn the game into a lay-up line. I see that D-Rose/Dwyane Wade quality, when he wants to get to the rack, he's getting to the rack. Absolute baller.
As for Wall, as Ace mentioned, his team is shit. I'm even gonna suggest that that team has the LOWEST collective basketball IQ in the history of low collective basketball IQs. Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Javale Mcgee, Al Thornton, Jordan Crawford and Josh Howard. My god...it's a black hole of poor shot selections, poor defensive rotations and turnovers. AUGH!!!
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Wizard's McGee got a triple double tonight with rebounds, points, and... blocks? o_O
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On March 16 2011 11:39 BachHo wrote:
Wizard's McGee got a triple double tonight with rebounds, points, and... blocks? o_O
lol and I hurried over to see the score thinking OMG WE WON? but nope. lol. Sigh.
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Had a triple double against a Boozerless/Noahless bulls and still couldnt win! RAWR Bulls :D
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We can't beat anybody, not even the Harlem Globetrotters, so...
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