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Cham
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
797 Posts
October 03 2011 15:01 GMT
#1481
If I wanted to learn how to play Magic, would the game on Xbox Live be a good starting point? I don't know anyone around me that plays, so I don't really want to invest in cards just yet.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 03 2011 15:19 GMT
#1482
On October 03 2011 13:49 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 08:15 Judicator wrote:
On October 02 2011 08:00 slyboogie wrote:
On October 02 2011 07:56 Judicator wrote:
On October 02 2011 07:54 slyboogie wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:51 Judicator wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:32 slyboogie wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:23 Judicator wrote:
Puresteel.


That's weird. Puresteel Paladin is awesome but you don't just throw him into any deck with a sword :/


Relying on Geist and Stalker is a great way to lose to Liliana.


I don't think that means Paladin is the answer. Invisible Stalker is bad anyways or, at least, he's no Squadron Hawk.


Playing control against those colors without Hawks is also a good way to lose.


Okay thanks. Constructive conversation.


You're going to try to run the old UW control shell that just blows? UW control is like dead dead right now. ISD gave it nothing unique and it lost Colonnade. There's nothing to discuss. That's why you see Heroes in all the UW decks or they just go straight aggro. Trying to compete against UB or against some UBW builds in a control setting is pointless. They have better everything across the board.


I can't agree with this. Although I think Unburial Rites is probably the strongest way to build control right now, straight U/W is a fair amount stronger than straight U/B. If you're playing U/B you're either playing Tezzeret, which is inconsistent, or just straight control which trades Day/Gideon/ORing for BSZ/Lilliana/Doom Blade. It does gain Forbidden Alchemy, but overall those white cards are better, and white has access to MUCH better hate cards including Revoke and Timely Reinforcements, and the new graveyard removal spell. White is just in a much better place right now.


UW is not UBW, Unburial Rites in a control shell with the White hate cards like you mentioned is just better than any other control deck right now, the match up is like 8-2 in your favor.

As for UB vs. UW, from what I have seen, they both seem pretty bad regardless, but then again I am running UBW.

As for this Geth's Verdict business, no thanks. I rather have smoother mana at 3 with Tribute to Hunger and net some life out of it.

After looking through the Indy lists more closely, people are still stuck on the I am too good to play more than 3 Days mentality. People also forgot that Spellskite just straights up hoses a lot of decks.
Get it by your hands...
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 03 2011 15:21 GMT
#1483
People also seem to completely forget about whipflare, which would destroy RDW.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
October 03 2011 15:23 GMT
#1484
On October 04 2011 00:01 Cham wrote:
If I wanted to learn how to play Magic, would the game on Xbox Live be a good starting point? I don't know anyone around me that plays, so I don't really want to invest in cards just yet.

Duels of the Planeswalkers is a fine way to start Magic. My only gripes with the game is that there are very few ways to customize your deck.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 03 2011 15:28 GMT
#1485
On October 04 2011 00:01 Cham wrote:
If I wanted to learn how to play Magic, would the game on Xbox Live be a good starting point? I don't know anyone around me that plays, so I don't really want to invest in cards just yet.


It got me back to playing, lol. Actually, I can see it being a little fast for new players - like when a spell in resolving and the magical spiral thingy is like spiraling and the meter is running down. Makes me nervous man.

That being said, it isn't really the whole Magic experience. You pick up the rules of the game a bit faster but if you can find a store with some nice dudes to help, that'll be good too.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 03 2011 15:31 GMT
#1486
On October 04 2011 00:21 dignity wrote:
People also seem to completely forget about whipflare, which would destroy RDW.


I don't know of any good decks that would fit in right now...We don't have that Valakut-type deck where Whipflare would matter.
Get it by your hands...
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 03 2011 16:30 GMT
#1487
On October 04 2011 00:31 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 00:21 dignity wrote:
People also seem to completely forget about whipflare, which would destroy RDW.


I don't know of any good decks that would fit in right now...We don't have that Valakut-type deck where Whipflare would matter.


Even if it did, Whipflare seems pretty bad. It doesn't kill Berserker or a Noble with 2+ counters. Those are the deck's two most relevant creatures, and Whipflare is just dead vs everything else besides tokens, so I don't see the point of it.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
October 03 2011 18:41 GMT
#1488
On October 03 2011 23:12 dignity wrote:
Using edict more than once over 3 turns. Right after you edict for the first time she will be at 1 loyalty which would be easily snipe-able. You will only be able to edict again WITH Liliana dying on the third turn she was out. You have to wait 4 turns if you want her to live. If they have even one evasive creature (inkmoth) she will not do anything more than edict. Geths verdict costs 2 instead of 3 which makes it faster. One is definitely not strictly better than the other



First of all, you wouldn't tap you to play liliana just to edict if they had a inkmoth most of the time. If they play T3 geist then sure, play liliana and edict. And then even if they do kill it off with inkmoth you traded 1 for 1 but they spent their turn killing it and you are now up tempo. Secondly, the discard ability is not weak, especially when your deck is built to abuse it with things like snapcaster, thinktwice, sun titan, unburial rites, forbidden alchemy etc. Saying things like "At maximum you will get 2 edicts out of her, over 3 turns" is just ridiculous. I'd say that's more on average, which is very good.

Also, please stop comparing a planeswalker to a spell. Sure, liliana isn't "strictly better" than geth's verdict. Off course she isnt, they are different types of cards. Jace, the Mind Sculptor also isn't "strictly better" than unsummon. That doesn't mean one of them isn't MUCH better.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 21:05:22
October 03 2011 21:01 GMT
#1489
nvm.
Brood War forever!
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
October 05 2011 21:08 GMT
#1490
Anyone else here streaming magic besides celerity or knows about another stream?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#1491
On October 06 2011 06:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
Anyone else here streaming magic besides celerity or knows about another stream?


Hm I'm assuming you want a link to a TL-ish site that displays streams? I'd like to know about such a thing as well. It's not really a stream but channel fireball has great draft videos and general high level stuff.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
October 05 2011 21:25 GMT
#1492
When I get my stream set up to look nice (hopefully soon). I will probably stream my Innistrad drafts, but I am no where near top level, I understand the game just not as in depth and usually make picks based on ticket value if I don't see anything else as good. Going to probably stream MTGO, SC2 and BW Proleague.
Brood War forever!
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 05 2011 22:00 GMT
#1493
Drafted last night, took 3rd after losing my second match to a shockingly good Burning Vengeance Deck. Some guy passed a Skaab Ruinator for a Foil Grim-grin, and while he's a better man than me, I would have taken the money and ran.

Also LSV's review of Olivia Voldaren in Limited, whom I still think is the best card in Limited.

Limited: 5.0
Is this really necessary? Only being multicolor keeps her from supplanting Devil’s Play as the best card in the set, and even then she just might take the cake. I’ve played both with and against Olivia, and if she survives, she’s actually just straight up unbeatable. If you are either color, even if it’s pack 3, slam her, and if you aren’t either, consider switching.



"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 05 2011 22:03 GMT
#1494
On October 06 2011 07:00 slyboogie wrote:
Drafted last night, took 3rd after losing my second match to a shockingly good Burning Vengeance Deck. Some guy passed a Skaab Ruinator for a Foil Grim-grin, and while he's a better man than me, I would have taken the money and ran.

Also LSV's review of Olivia Voldaren in Limited, whom I still think is the best card in Limited.

Show nested quote +
Limited: 5.0
Is this really necessary? Only being multicolor keeps her from supplanting Devil’s Play as the best card in the set, and even then she just might take the cake. I’ve played both with and against Olivia, and if she survives, she’s actually just straight up unbeatable. If you are either color, even if it’s pack 3, slam her, and if you aren’t either, consider switching.





Hopefully the pick will never come up, but I would take Olivia every time because she's way more fun. I'm pretty sure Devil's Play is better p1p1 though since it doesn't put you into two colors.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 05 2011 23:35 GMT
#1495
Is being in 2 colors that early that bad though? Like it seems as though she just ends games very quickly, not to mention her colors give you alot of removal and beats.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 05 2011 23:45 GMT
#1496
I think, philosophically, it's just better to not be pigeonholed by your first pick. In the worst case scenario, you might be passed very few B/R playables and your 2nd and 3rd pack might just not have the supporting bombs.

That being said, you'll probably end up with a few of Geistflames, Harvest Pyres, Brimstone Volleys, Dead Weights, Victim of the Nights. Realistically, it's probably fine. I'd first pack first pick her every day all day.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 06 2011 00:42 GMT
#1497
On October 04 2011 00:01 Cham wrote:
If I wanted to learn how to play Magic, would the game on Xbox Live be a good starting point? I don't know anyone around me that plays, so I don't really want to invest in cards just yet.


Start with reading Daily MTG, GatheringMagic, and ChannelFireball, and get Magic Workstation, play around with it in Standard Constructed games for a little while. That will give you a comprehensive knowledge of the metagame, a window into how top players think, and a great point to start investing.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 01:42:04
October 06 2011 01:41 GMT
#1498
Just popping in to say: I don't mind 3 colors at all in Innistrad. Traveler's Amulet and Shimmering Grotto give you excellent fixing that routinely wheels or at least goes late, and there's plenty of great cards to splash (Slayer of the Wicked, Festerhide Boar, and one of Olivia/Evil Twin/Grimgrin's second colors comes to mind).

The format is slow enough that it's not going to be as major an issue as it was in something like M12 where you had to rely on Rampant Growth/Manalith which sucked up T2/3 which were extremely important facing down a lightning fast aggro deck.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 06 2011 01:58 GMT
#1499
On October 06 2011 08:45 slyboogie wrote:
I think, philosophically, it's just better to not be pigeonholed by your first pick. In the worst case scenario, you might be passed very few B/R playables and your 2nd and 3rd pack might just not have the supporting bombs.

That being said, you'll probably end up with a few of Geistflames, Harvest Pyres, Brimstone Volleys, Dead Weights, Victim of the Nights. Realistically, it's probably fine. I'd first pack first pick her every day all day.


Opened her in sealed, have the experience to say she is the best card in limited in this set. They don't have an answer for her? you win....they have an answer? dig for Unburial rights and still win.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 06 2011 05:47 GMT
#1500
I should say that limited Innistrad is making me incredibly paranoid of dropping any fatties. Rebuke and Smite are just monster removal. I've been purposefully avoiding White since most players seem to like forcing the "Humans" archetype, but this always leaves me staring at a clear board for my fattie and my opponent with 3 open Plains.

I guess it's not all that different from Dispense Justice in SOM.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
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