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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 21 2013 18:49 GMT
#5461
On January 22 2013 02:11 Judicator wrote:

Bant Auras is dead if you looked through the entire spoilers. There's a 2 mana Edict at instant.

Spell Rupture is interesting, but it lacks the consistency of Mana Leak, also the colors for Delver has yet to be hammered out so we shall see. Spell Rupture seems more like a RUG card than a Delver card to be perfectly honest.

The decks that unsurprisingly benefited the most are the control builds, I don't see how the bane of control builds like Delver can beat them post board now.


You'll need to name the 2 mana Edict card for me, as I didn't see in on my first couple passes through the spoilers.

I agree in that Delver needs to hammer out its colors again, but the shell of 4 Delver, 4 Snapcaster, 4 Resto Angel, and 24 cheap spells is still there. Taking a rough stab at it, I'd probably say 4 Unsummon, 4 Azorious Charm, 4 Spell Rupture, 2 Dissipate, 4 Beckon Apparition, 2 Runechanter's Pike, and 4 Thought Scour. The remaining 24 cards are lands, but I'm sure that Delver decks can shave a land or two for another couple spells.

Also, really sad that BoP isn't in Gatecrash, now I gotta use the crappy mana dorks to make my Naya Ramp deck work. This is what I'm looking to run for Standard once Gatecrash hits: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/naya-ramp-vgatecrash/
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 21 2013 19:03 GMT
#5462
On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.


I've only ever won games with Drownyard and Tokens. It's good enough against Lingering Souls and Sorin that, depending on how powerful Esper Control remains, that midrange would play it. Are there still Aggro decks ?_?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 21 2013 19:07 GMT
#5463
Gatecrash overall is a bit meh for me since I don't play Standard. But some super nice art oh my goodness. I think I am going to go out of my way to get certain cards purely because I like the art so much.

Wondering what Guild to pick for Pre-Release. Hm. Hard choice.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 21 2013 19:11 GMT
#5464
On January 22 2013 04:03 slyboogie wrote:

I've only ever won games with Drownyard and Tokens. It's good enough against Lingering Souls and Sorin that, depending on how powerful Esper Control remains, that midrange would play it. Are there still Aggro decks ?_?


Yes, Aggro decks still exist. Right now the big three are Mono-Red, BR Zombies, and RB Aggro. You still have GW Aggro and UW Aggro, but the metagame has sort of forced them to the wayside. And technically Bant Hexproof is an Aggro deck, due to how it can get a turn 3 or turn 4 dude swinging for 18+ damage.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 21 2013 19:16 GMT
#5465
On January 22 2013 04:11 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:03 slyboogie wrote:

I've only ever won games with Drownyard and Tokens. It's good enough against Lingering Souls and Sorin that, depending on how powerful Esper Control remains, that midrange would play it. Are there still Aggro decks ?_?


Yes, Aggro decks still exist. Right now the big three are Mono-Red, BR Zombies, and RB Aggro. You still have GW Aggro and UW Aggro, but the metagame has sort of forced them to the wayside. And technically Bant Hexproof is an Aggro deck, due to how it can get a turn 3 or turn 4 dude swinging for 18+ damage.


That was tongue in cheek. Mono-red and Bant-Enchant are the only Aggro deck that count and Mono-red is not an issue for a tuned Esper Control deck.

Zombies and Rakdos are midrange decks. GW is sweet but not all that relevant. What is UW Aggro?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 21 2013 19:22 GMT
#5466
On January 22 2013 04:16 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:11 Kinie wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:03 slyboogie wrote:

I've only ever won games with Drownyard and Tokens. It's good enough against Lingering Souls and Sorin that, depending on how powerful Esper Control remains, that midrange would play it. Are there still Aggro decks ?_?


Yes, Aggro decks still exist. Right now the big three are Mono-Red, BR Zombies, and RB Aggro. You still have GW Aggro and UW Aggro, but the metagame has sort of forced them to the wayside. And technically Bant Hexproof is an Aggro deck, due to how it can get a turn 3 or turn 4 dude swinging for 18+ damage.


That was tongue in cheek. Mono-red and Bant-Enchant are the only Aggro deck that count and Mono-red is not an issue for a tuned Esper Control deck.

Zombies and Rakdos are midrange decks. GW is sweet but not all that relevant. What is UW Aggro?


He's talking about the Humans + Geist of St. Traft deck with Skyknight and Spectral Flight IIRC.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 21 2013 19:36 GMT
#5467
Really liking Boros and Naya humans post Gatecrash, several lines to net turn 4 kills and even a few turn 3 possibles and being able to name human on a cavern and being covered nearly all game is an underrated value. I see many of the more midrange decks getting pushed out of the format due to the addition of more aggro decks and current aggro decks getting faster/stronger and having more outs to go over or under turn 4/5 stability plays.

Don't see Mono-Red, BR Zombie, RB Aggro going away anytime soon and have some high hopes for BRW Zombies. Sadly bant hexproof isn't going anywhere, it got some new toys, but also sb hate to attempt to balance it but the hate isn't good enough to make it unplayable by any stretch of the imagination. Still not sold on this return of Esper people keep talking up but I could see Delver coming back and u/w/r control will be better than ever.

Overall I don't see Gatecrash as that impressive of a set for constructed compared to any of the others in the current RtR block but gives some much needed mana fixing and shakes up an already wipe open standard. I'm rather excited for sealed and drafting with Gatecrash in the mix just because the guilds look so flexible yet distinctive from each other.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 19:38 GMT
#5468
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 21 2013 19:40 GMT
#5469
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 19:42:31
January 21 2013 19:42 GMT
#5470
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 21 2013 19:45 GMT
#5471
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/


Err, isn't the broad version of that card 5 mana and broadly played?

Esper control doesn't actually have man cards that "do things." Esper really is a "token" type of deck, your threats are Lingering Souls and Sorin, a lot of Esper decks board into a Geist of Saint Traft package, so this is at least a little superior to like sticking a Nevermore and shouting "SPHINX'S REVELATION!!!"
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 21 2013 19:48 GMT
#5472
On January 22 2013 04:42 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.

Do you mean the Boros or Orzhov Promo?

Since it's Sealed a lot of it will still come down to a bit of luck and what you crack in the packs. I don't think you can count on getting the exact charm/rare you need. In the RTR Pre-release I was really short on Selenya stuff so I just went 4-colour and luckily things worked out. Then again, I'm not very good at Sealed haha. Also, since it's a fun event I think it's good to play what your favourite is ^^
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 19:56:48
January 21 2013 19:50 GMT
#5473
On January 22 2013 04:45 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/


Err, isn't the broad version of that card 5 mana and broadly played?

Esper control doesn't actually have man cards that "do things." Esper really is a "token" type of deck, your threats are Lingering Souls and Sorin, a lot of Esper decks board into a Geist of Saint Traft package, so this is at least a little superior to like sticking a Nevermore and shouting "SPHINX'S REVELATION!!!"


Death's Hold hits everything. Relevant against any deck using creatures to deal damage, snapcasters, etc.

Edit: Right now Esper is limited by mana like Bant isn't because bant has green mana fixing. Post-GTC Esper won't have to worry about mana so much and will have access to strategies other than token based builds. Right now that card might see play, post-GTC (and since the card is in GTC that's the only relevant time) the card just doesn't do enough to take up a sb slot.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 19:55 GMT
#5474
On January 22 2013 04:48 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:42 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.

Do you mean the Boros or Orzhov Promo?

Since it's Sealed a lot of it will still come down to a bit of luck and what you crack in the packs. I don't think you can count on getting the exact charm/rare you need. In the RTR Pre-release I was really short on Selenya stuff so I just went 4-colour and luckily things worked out. Then again, I'm not very good at Sealed haha. Also, since it's a fun event I think it's good to play what your favourite is ^^


Sorry I meant the boros promo. Orz promo is solid too, but doesn't do anything when it lands on the battlefield. So if you're behind the boros promo helps you get back into it immediately. If you're ahead it still lands and does something. Orz promo lands and does nothing, but does have extort and grabs cards from your gyard to interact with its extort. Feels much more limited than the boros promo, imo. To start with, it has to swing into the enemy to activate. What if your enemy has something to trade with it? What if they have removal? What if they are already in dominating position? Just seems like a card that will help you win if you're already winning, or get you there where another card would get you there just as well.

Ranking guild promos for me goes Dimir > Gruul >= Boros > Simic > Orzhov
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 21 2013 19:57 GMT
#5475
On January 22 2013 04:50 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:45 slyboogie wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/


Err, isn't the broad version of that card 5 mana and broadly played?

Esper control doesn't actually have man cards that "do things." Esper really is a "token" type of deck, your threats are Lingering Souls and Sorin, a lot of Esper decks board into a Geist of Saint Traft package, so this is at least a little superior to like sticking a Nevermore and shouting "SPHINX'S REVELATION!!!"


Death's Hold hits everything. Relevant against any deck using creatures to deal damage, snapcasters, etc.


Which is why, I imagine, it costs 3BB instead of B.

The card is so clearly a side board card, I never meant to imply otherwise. But it can be, and I think it wi be, effective.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 21 2013 20:00 GMT
#5476
The new Black Enchantment might do something about the mass Lingering Souls in Modern perhaps. Nearly every deck is trying to jam in 4 copies of that haha.

On January 22 2013 04:55 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:48 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:42 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.

Do you mean the Boros or Orzhov Promo?

Since it's Sealed a lot of it will still come down to a bit of luck and what you crack in the packs. I don't think you can count on getting the exact charm/rare you need. In the RTR Pre-release I was really short on Selenya stuff so I just went 4-colour and luckily things worked out. Then again, I'm not very good at Sealed haha. Also, since it's a fun event I think it's good to play what your favourite is ^^


Sorry I meant the boros promo. Orz promo is solid too, but doesn't do anything when it lands on the battlefield. So if you're behind the boros promo helps you get back into it immediately. If you're ahead it still lands and does something. Orz promo lands and does nothing, but does have extort and grabs cards from your gyard to interact with its extort. Feels much more limited than the boros promo, imo. To start with, it has to swing into the enemy to activate. What if your enemy has something to trade with it? What if they have removal? What if they are already in dominating position? Just seems like a card that will help you win if you're already winning, or get you there where another card would get you there just as well.

Ranking guild promos for me goes Dimir > Gruul >= Boros > Simic > Orzhov

Agree with promo ranking and your reasoning behind choosing Boros. Hm... Maybe I'll just go to several pre-releases haha.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 20:05 GMT
#5477
On January 22 2013 05:00 MoonBear wrote:
The new Black Enchantment might do something about the mass Lingering Souls in Modern perhaps. Nearly every deck is trying to jam in 4 copies of that haha.

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On January 22 2013 04:55 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:48 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:42 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.

Do you mean the Boros or Orzhov Promo?

Since it's Sealed a lot of it will still come down to a bit of luck and what you crack in the packs. I don't think you can count on getting the exact charm/rare you need. In the RTR Pre-release I was really short on Selenya stuff so I just went 4-colour and luckily things worked out. Then again, I'm not very good at Sealed haha. Also, since it's a fun event I think it's good to play what your favourite is ^^


Sorry I meant the boros promo. Orz promo is solid too, but doesn't do anything when it lands on the battlefield. So if you're behind the boros promo helps you get back into it immediately. If you're ahead it still lands and does something. Orz promo lands and does nothing, but does have extort and grabs cards from your gyard to interact with its extort. Feels much more limited than the boros promo, imo. To start with, it has to swing into the enemy to activate. What if your enemy has something to trade with it? What if they have removal? What if they are already in dominating position? Just seems like a card that will help you win if you're already winning, or get you there where another card would get you there just as well.

Ranking guild promos for me goes Dimir > Gruul >= Boros > Simic > Orzhov

Agree with promo ranking and your reasoning behind choosing Boros. Hm... Maybe I'll just go to several pre-releases haha.


My LGS was doing all 4 prerelease for 75$... how does anyone pass that up T_T I'm going to be exhausted.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 21 2013 20:11 GMT
#5478
On January 22 2013 05:05 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 05:00 MoonBear wrote:
The new Black Enchantment might do something about the mass Lingering Souls in Modern perhaps. Nearly every deck is trying to jam in 4 copies of that haha.

On January 22 2013 04:55 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:48 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:42 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:40 MoonBear wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:38 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:32 iGrok wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...


It doesn't counteract a strategy, it hits a single card. If it was more broad, then I could see it being deserving of a sideboard slot.

Having a tough time deciding between boros and orzhov for my prerelease guild. Go boros and get the creature base then pray for removal/good extort from my packs, or go orzhov and get removal/extort base then hope for creature base from boros :/

Could always go Dimir and splash some of the Blue cards from Simic too.


I feel like dimir and simic will both be too slow. Boros seems like it could run out of gas, but with cards like five alarm fire, boros charm, massive raid, and the promo giving reach I don't think it will be that much of a problem getting the last 5 or so life.

Edit: Throw in extort from orzhov splash and you have even more reach.

Do you mean the Boros or Orzhov Promo?

Since it's Sealed a lot of it will still come down to a bit of luck and what you crack in the packs. I don't think you can count on getting the exact charm/rare you need. In the RTR Pre-release I was really short on Selenya stuff so I just went 4-colour and luckily things worked out. Then again, I'm not very good at Sealed haha. Also, since it's a fun event I think it's good to play what your favourite is ^^


Sorry I meant the boros promo. Orz promo is solid too, but doesn't do anything when it lands on the battlefield. So if you're behind the boros promo helps you get back into it immediately. If you're ahead it still lands and does something. Orz promo lands and does nothing, but does have extort and grabs cards from your gyard to interact with its extort. Feels much more limited than the boros promo, imo. To start with, it has to swing into the enemy to activate. What if your enemy has something to trade with it? What if they have removal? What if they are already in dominating position? Just seems like a card that will help you win if you're already winning, or get you there where another card would get you there just as well.

Ranking guild promos for me goes Dimir > Gruul >= Boros > Simic > Orzhov

Agree with promo ranking and your reasoning behind choosing Boros. Hm... Maybe I'll just go to several pre-releases haha.


My LGS was doing all 4 prerelease for 75$... how does anyone pass that up T_T I'm going to be exhausted.

Are they like one after the other or do they run simultaneously?

Also, Guid Pack Viewer is up!
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 21 2013 20:21 GMT
#5479
That enchantment is meant to be played against Bitterblossom. You heard it here first.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 20:23 GMT
#5480
On January 22 2013 05:21 spinesheath wrote:
That enchantment is meant to be played against Bitterblossom. You heard it here first.


You know what... I hadn't thought of that. Bitterblossom seems prime for unbanning, too.
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