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Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
January 20 2013 15:37 GMT
#5441
Would a cheap b/w exalted deck work? It only needs a few rares before it becomes a real powerhouse, sublime archangel is quite high cost but silent arbiters work wonders and can make it into a viable deck.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 20 2013 15:38 GMT
#5442
On January 21 2013 00:37 Leonite7 wrote:
Would a cheap b/w exalted deck work? It only needs a few rares before it becomes a real powerhouse, sublime archangel is quite high cost but silent arbiters work wonders and can make it into a viable deck.


Pauper is commons only.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
January 20 2013 16:05 GMT
#5443
On January 21 2013 00:38 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 00:37 Leonite7 wrote:
Would a cheap b/w exalted deck work? It only needs a few rares before it becomes a real powerhouse, sublime archangel is quite high cost but silent arbiters work wonders and can make it into a viable deck.


Pauper is commons only.

Woops! Well an exalted deck still might work, the base of unblockables and exalted with some defenders works quite well even if you dont have the rares.
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
January 20 2013 16:24 GMT
#5444
On January 20 2013 04:21 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 13:29 Louuster wrote:
So mad right now, I just drafted probably my best deck so far in RtR and I get 0-2 round 1 in about 10 min total by a dude going pack rat turn 2 in both games zzz.

Same thing happened to me last night.

I drafted one of the best selesnya decks ever, Pegasi and Centaurs out the wazoo, G1 is over T5 vs a Rakdos player who obviously had no idea what he was doing, and then G2 I don't draw a single forest in the 10 turns it takes him to kill me, and then G3 the exact same thing happens.


pegasi are terrible. U can't have the best selesnya deck with them, srry.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 20 2013 17:22 GMT
#5445
On January 21 2013 01:24 whatwhatanut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:21 iGrok wrote:
On January 19 2013 13:29 Louuster wrote:
So mad right now, I just drafted probably my best deck so far in RtR and I get 0-2 round 1 in about 10 min total by a dude going pack rat turn 2 in both games zzz.

Same thing happened to me last night.

I drafted one of the best selesnya decks ever, Pegasi and Centaurs out the wazoo, G1 is over T5 vs a Rakdos player who obviously had no idea what he was doing, and then G2 I don't draw a single forest in the 10 turns it takes him to kill me, and then G3 the exact same thing happens.


pegasi are terrible. U can't have the best selesnya deck with them, srry.

It's actually a surprisingly good card in the format. Not best deck material, but far from terrible.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 20 2013 17:27 GMT
#5446
On January 21 2013 02:22 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 01:24 whatwhatanut wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:21 iGrok wrote:
On January 19 2013 13:29 Louuster wrote:
So mad right now, I just drafted probably my best deck so far in RtR and I get 0-2 round 1 in about 10 min total by a dude going pack rat turn 2 in both games zzz.

Same thing happened to me last night.

I drafted one of the best selesnya decks ever, Pegasi and Centaurs out the wazoo, G1 is over T5 vs a Rakdos player who obviously had no idea what he was doing, and then G2 I don't draw a single forest in the 10 turns it takes him to kill me, and then G3 the exact same thing happens.


pegasi are terrible. U can't have the best selesnya deck with them, srry.

It's actually a surprisingly good card in the format. Not best deck material, but far from terrible.

Yeah, in constructed they are terrible, but in draft they do pretty well. Not as good as Runewing though... someone managed to draft a playset of them - he won the FNM haha
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 20 2013 22:30 GMT
#5447
For those people going to gatecrash pre-release sealed events which guild are you going with and which do you think will do best.

Personally going for Simic cause I expect a lot of people to attempt aggro gruul/boros but aggro limited is rough to get the right curve so I plan on countering with a control deck.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 20 2013 22:33 GMT
#5448
i agree on the aggro part. Personally i don't like the green side of the cards, and since its sealed i'm leaning orzhov, where i can splash to the red or blue side.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 20 2013 23:04 GMT
#5449
2HG dimir or orzhov will wreck. Orzhov getting 2 life and dealing 2 damage for every extort is disgusting, but mill is always super viable in 2HG.

Regular it looks like boros or gruul will be best, so why not go one of them and build naya? I, personally, am choosing orzhov for every event so I can have max attempts at pulling ghost dad v2 :D And if I open sick boros I can go RBW ezpz.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 23:31:42
January 20 2013 23:28 GMT
#5450
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/25462_Delving-Deeper-Into-Pauper.html

used this' aggro' v deck list in pauper today. went 2-1 then lost and dropped to 2-2.

guess what my losses were? mirror match! opponent goes first both times = gg. such a dumb match up, i swear to god.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 20 2013 23:53 GMT
#5451
On January 21 2013 08:28 EMIYA wrote:
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/25462_Delving-Deeper-Into-Pauper.html

used this' aggro' v deck list in pauper today. went 2-1 then lost and dropped to 2-2.

guess what my losses were? mirror match! opponent goes first both times = gg. such a dumb match up, i swear to god.


Just got to look for ways to steal the play. Something you will need to learn to do if you want keep piloting that deck and other decks like that.
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 06:10 GMT
#5452
Spoilers look pretty horrible for constructed play.

However...... limited is going to fucking rock.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
January 21 2013 07:06 GMT
#5453
Looking at the set with regard to limited, I feel like there's tons and tons of combat tricks, but not a lot of creatures I'm excited to play. Anyone else feel that way? I already preregistered to play Gruul at the prerelease, but I'm a little nervous about that now that the entire set has been spoiled.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 21 2013 07:42 GMT
#5454
Nah, Gruul should be fine. There aren't as many constructed playable cards as there were in RTR, probably only a dozen rares, a few of the mythics, and maybe 10-20 commons/uncommons that could see play.

The art for most of the cards though is *** gorgeous. For example, I want this art on a playmat: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'll just name some of the cards that catch my eye for possible constructed playability that haven't been spoiled until now and let you guys look it up:

Holy Mantle (because Bant Auras is a thing now)
Spell Rupture (Delver is probably a thing again now)
Act of Treason (reprint, still good)
Verdant Haven (unlikely, but it does ramp, and should be a Limited all-star)
Frenzied Tilling (unlikely, but it's land destruction plus ramping, so maybe)
Ground Assault (should be a Limited all-star, and might see play in some sort of ramp deck)
Martial Glory (a reverse Agony Warp in every form, so not as good, but it's common, so Limited all-star)
Beckon Apparition (because Midnight Haunting sees play, and it's prohibitive cost isn't as bad as it could have been)
Boros Reckoner (a 3/3 dude that can stick around for a while, and when it dies can help take out the thing that killed it, or go to the face)
Deathcult Rogue (unlikely, but you never know)
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 08:17:54
January 21 2013 08:15 GMT
#5455
On January 21 2013 08:53 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 08:28 EMIYA wrote:
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/25462_Delving-Deeper-Into-Pauper.html

used this' aggro' v deck list in pauper today. went 2-1 then lost and dropped to 2-2.

guess what my losses were? mirror match! opponent goes first both times = gg. such a dumb match up, i swear to god.


Just got to look for ways to steal the play. Something you will need to learn to do if you want keep piloting that deck and other decks like that.

Yeah, Delver style decks are typically much harder to play than they look, definitely gotta practice a lot. There's definitely a lot more to it than "he was on the play, gg," the mirror typically comes down to who maximizes each card better than the other guy.
One thing I notice a lot of players doing is just casting their cantrips for no reason other than having open mana and nothing else to do on their turn- wasting Brainstorms and Ponders is like the easiest way to throw away the mirror or many other tight matchups (not specific to pauper delver or whatever, I win plenty of French EDH games due to my opponents wasting their Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain on turn 1, and of course many Legacy games are won or lost on the back of (im)proper Brainstorming)
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 21 2013 17:11 GMT
#5456
On January 21 2013 16:42 Kinie wrote:
Nah, Gruul should be fine. There aren't as many constructed playable cards as there were in RTR, probably only a dozen rares, a few of the mythics, and maybe 10-20 commons/uncommons that could see play.

The art for most of the cards though is *** gorgeous. For example, I want this art on a playmat: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'll just name some of the cards that catch my eye for possible constructed playability that haven't been spoiled until now and let you guys look it up:

Holy Mantle (because Bant Auras is a thing now)
Spell Rupture (Delver is probably a thing again now)
Act of Treason (reprint, still good)
Verdant Haven (unlikely, but it does ramp, and should be a Limited all-star)
Frenzied Tilling (unlikely, but it's land destruction plus ramping, so maybe)
Ground Assault (should be a Limited all-star, and might see play in some sort of ramp deck)
Martial Glory (a reverse Agony Warp in every form, so not as good, but it's common, so Limited all-star)
Beckon Apparition (because Midnight Haunting sees play, and it's prohibitive cost isn't as bad as it could have been)
Boros Reckoner (a 3/3 dude that can stick around for a while, and when it dies can help take out the thing that killed it, or go to the face)
Deathcult Rogue (unlikely, but you never know)


Bant Auras is dead if you looked through the entire spoilers. There's a 2 mana Edict at instant.

Spell Rupture is interesting, but it lacks the consistency of Mana Leak, also the colors for Delver has yet to be hammered out so we shall see. Spell Rupture seems more like a RUG card than a Delver card to be perfectly honest.

The decks that unsurprisingly benefited the most are the control builds, I don't see how the bane of control builds like Delver can beat them post board now.
Get it by your hands...
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 18:00:41
January 21 2013 17:58 GMT
#5457
I don't think one card means the archetype is completely dead. Many cards hose artifacts and affinity still sees play.
But I agree on the new edict being strong (will be in many MD or SB of decks with access to black mana).

Many in MTGS people called Delver dead based on the meta these past weeks. I don't follow the scene that much to talk about that really.

GTC seems a blast for limited tbh :D Picture me happy. Orzhov and Boros or a combination of both, most likely.
Revolutionist fan
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 21 2013 18:24 GMT
#5458
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 21 2013 18:32 GMT
#5459
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 18:33:48
January 21 2013 18:32 GMT
#5460
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

Man, I saw that and was just like "Damn, spirits are shit now..."

On January 22 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:24 slyboogie wrote:
There's that single B enchantment that hilariously hoses tokens. Poor Esper :/

What agro deck in standard is going to run that card? In control mirrors souls aren't your win con anyways. That card isn't going to see play in constructed.

Its a great fit for Jund sideboard, Idk what you dont like about it...
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