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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 20 2012 01:49 GMT
#12461
No one with that kind of gold has actually farmed it all. They got it from selling stuff on ah.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 20 2012 01:51 GMT
#12462
On June 20 2012 10:46 Yaotzin wrote:
Trivial? Like killing meph in d2?

Strange comparison. D2 was a much easier game.


Seems you don't understand either.

The game is going to be a joke soon as far as difficulty goes. Once the luster of the new game fades and the content is trivialized the only thing that will matter is efficiency in farming and the gratification of seeing items drop. This is what kept d2 alive for 10 years, this is what d3 lacks in a big way. In 6 months when no champion pack is a challenge it's going to be extremely tiresome to search the same maps you've done 900,000 times to find a randomly assigned elite monster to kill. Boss fights may have been old but at least you were fighting a meaningful monster and you were doing it extremely quickly and efficiently. It's incredible how short sighted everyone can be regarding this issue. The itemization is terrible and the loot system in d3 certainly doesn't help. I'm not saying they have to go to the exact method d2 had, but this roam around the same act (in a limited world at least in d2 you could hit multiple zones in the same game) looking for elites to kill will not be nearly as sustainable, especially with the way items are rolled and drop currently.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 01:55:31
June 20 2012 01:54 GMT
#12463
The itemization is a problem, but one they've already said they're working on. We'll just have to agree to disagree on elites vs bosses. Finding and killing varied elites is to me much more interesting than running meph thousands of times - something I did too.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 20 2012 01:55 GMT
#12464
On June 20 2012 10:51 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:46 Yaotzin wrote:
Trivial? Like killing meph in d2?

Strange comparison. D2 was a much easier game.


Seems you don't understand either.

The game is going to be a joke soon as far as difficulty goes. Once the luster of the new game fades and the content is trivialized the only thing that will matter is efficiency in farming and the gratification of seeing items drop. This is what kept d2 alive for 10 years, this is what d3 lacks in a big way. In 6 months when no champion pack is a challenge it's going to be extremely tiresome to search the same maps you've done 900,000 times to find a randomly assigned elite monster to kill. Boss fights may have been old but at least you were fighting a meaningful monster and you were doing it extremely quickly and efficiently. It's incredible how short sighted everyone can be regarding this issue. The itemization is terrible and the loot system in d3 certainly doesn't help. I'm not saying they have to go to the exact method d2 had, but this roam around the same act (in a limited world at least in d2 you could hit multiple zones in the same game) looking for elites to kill will not be nearly as sustainable, especially with the way items are rolled and drop currently.


Hunting elites is a lot more interesting than killing the exact same boss(es) over and over again in my opinion. Your entire paragraph makes no sense. There was no challenge in killing things in Diablo 2 either so it doesn't matter that killing elites isn't hard. You had to search for randomly generated stairs to get to almost every farm location in Diablo 2 as well. I'm not seeing any difference personally.

The advantage to fighting elites is that they have randomly generated affixes so there is some variety in what you're killing.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 02:07:18
June 20 2012 02:02 GMT
#12465
On June 20 2012 10:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:51 crms wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:46 Yaotzin wrote:
Trivial? Like killing meph in d2?

Strange comparison. D2 was a much easier game.


Seems you don't understand either.

The game is going to be a joke soon as far as difficulty goes. Once the luster of the new game fades and the content is trivialized the only thing that will matter is efficiency in farming and the gratification of seeing items drop. This is what kept d2 alive for 10 years, this is what d3 lacks in a big way. In 6 months when no champion pack is a challenge it's going to be extremely tiresome to search the same maps you've done 900,000 times to find a randomly assigned elite monster to kill. Boss fights may have been old but at least you were fighting a meaningful monster and you were doing it extremely quickly and efficiently. It's incredible how short sighted everyone can be regarding this issue. The itemization is terrible and the loot system in d3 certainly doesn't help. I'm not saying they have to go to the exact method d2 had, but this roam around the same act (in a limited world at least in d2 you could hit multiple zones in the same game) looking for elites to kill will not be nearly as sustainable, especially with the way items are rolled and drop currently.


Hunting elites is a lot more interesting than killing the exact same boss(es) over and over again in my opinion. Your entire paragraph makes no sense. There was no challenge in killing things in Diablo 2 either so it doesn't matter that killing elites isn't hard. You had to search for randomly generated stairs to get to almost every farm location in Diablo 2 as well. I'm not seeing any difference personally.

The advantage to fighting elites is that they have randomly generated affixes so there is some variety in what you're killing.



I feel like im taking crazy pills.

Even looking for stairs and doing meph took 5 minutes max. How long is it going to take you to find 5 elites, and then find more to get the bonus? Even if you're slaying at an unprecedented rate it's going to be extremely time consuming per run and with even less of a potential reward based on how itemization works in diablo 3. I get that some people think this elite farming is really fun and new and the variety is awesome, but I swear to christ, I'd love to see these people 6 months from now tell me the same thing. It's like impossible for people to realize the farming is going to be the same mind numbing slot machine it always has been yet the chance for gratification and the time it takes to acheive the results will just be MUCH longer.

can you really not put yourself 6 months into the future and visualize hunting these same elites on these same maps and see that this farm system is fundamentally broken for the super end game? I wonder how much fun you'll think the variety of packs really is when it doesn't matter what the packs or affix are because everything is trivial.

The only difference in the super end game between d2 and d3 will be worse itemization and longer, more painful, less efficient farming runs. The carrot is gone, there is no more 1 more meph run, it will become, 1 more 30 minute act X clear. Farming has resorted to a forced pseudo mmo instance where bosses are no more important than randomly generated elite trash mobs.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 20 2012 02:11 GMT
#12466
It takes like 5 minutes to get valor when you're overgeared (the scenario you're talking about). After that a couple more minutes per elite. 2 elites is roughly equivalent to a boss in d2.

Can't fathom what you're on about.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 20 2012 02:16 GMT
#12467
On June 20 2012 11:11 Yaotzin wrote:
It takes like 5 minutes to get valor when you're overgeared (the scenario you're talking about). After that a couple more minutes per elite. 2 elites is roughly equivalent to a boss in d2.

Can't fathom what you're on about.


Either you're dense, a fanatic fanboy or are trolling me. Either way, I think I'm done with you. How on earth you could justify 2 elite packs (after you already found 5) is equivalent to a d2 boss with how itemization and rolls occur in d3, just proves to me you either a) don't know much about the game, or b) aren't very far and you're still having fun progressing. Doesn't really matter though, I'm out.

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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 20 2012 02:19 GMT
#12468
Played d2 for years, know all the mechanics behind it, don't know what the hell you're talking about. I suspect you don't know anything about one or both of the games.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
June 20 2012 02:22 GMT
#12469
After the bizarre nerfs to quest replays, is there any viable option to stillpowerlevel 58-60 ?
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
June 20 2012 02:24 GMT
#12470
well there goes my monk.

went from 2.3ish aspd. to 1.6.

even with the nerfed mobs, how am i supposed to sustain my spirit pool?
Forever ZeNEX.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 20 2012 02:26 GMT
#12471
On June 20 2012 11:19 Yaotzin wrote:
Played d2 for years, know all the mechanics behind it, don't know what the hell you're talking about. I suspect you don't know anything about one or both of the games.



yep, troll or bad; confirmed.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 20 2012 02:27 GMT
#12472
The biggest problem for D3 is that at this point, the economy is a shithole, and they've dug themselves in a hole where it STAYS a shithole. It's going to become open B.Net very fast.

Personally, I always thought open B.Net D2 was absolutely awful. There were only really 3 draws for the D2 experience for me:
1) Playing at the start of a new ladder season. Fresh economy, fresh start, bots haven't screwed everything up yet. Progression feels meaningful.
2) Solo play. Work with your own drops. Farm what you can get. No nonsense.
3) Hardcore. Speaks for itself, really.

D3 for now has no ladder seasons, and isn't expected to have any. Strictly solo play is exceedingly frustrating due to the fact that drops are scaled with the AH in mind--it takes a lot longer to farm a boss for anything useful. And Hardcore has the problem is that the difficulty scaling across the difficulty levels was scaled with introducing new players to the game, and not for a smooth hardcore experience--Normal and Nightmare present zero threat to any characters, which means you have a huge timesink where you're just clearing Normal and Nightmare with zero chance of dying.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 20 2012 02:28 GMT
#12473
On June 20 2012 11:26 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:19 Yaotzin wrote:
Played d2 for years, know all the mechanics behind it, don't know what the hell you're talking about. I suspect you don't know anything about one or both of the games.



yep, troll or bad; confirmed.

Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll or wrong eh? :lol:
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
June 20 2012 02:35 GMT
#12474
wtf anyone notice auction house filtering is not alphabetical anymore? most of it is ok, but dex is like, after M.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
June 20 2012 02:38 GMT
#12475
On June 20 2012 11:35 King K. Rool wrote:
wtf anyone notice auction house filtering is not alphabetical anymore? most of it is ok, but dex is like, after M.

It's now alphabetical within categories, which is 1000x more confusing and difficult to navigate imo
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 03:20:55
June 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#12476
noob question, how do I access the Pony level? is it better than or equal to act 3 farm?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
June 20 2012 02:48 GMT
#12477
Good luck with Gromm.
twitch.tv/medrea
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
June 20 2012 03:51 GMT
#12478
On June 20 2012 11:38 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:35 King K. Rool wrote:
wtf anyone notice auction house filtering is not alphabetical anymore? most of it is ok, but dex is like, after M.

It's now alphabetical within categories, which is 1000x more confusing and difficult to navigate imo

holy crap how hard is it to put the most important search-fors at the top.

int, dex, str, vit, life on hit, crit, crit, socket, mf.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 03:54:20
June 20 2012 03:53 GMT
#12479
so apparently prior to patch act 3/4 had ~25% drop rate for ilvl63 and now it's down to 8%. I knew 8% was the new value but I though it was supposed to be similar to the current rate. R-O-F-L.

I had 3 friends clear act 3 from start to finish today and they got a combined 5 ilvl63. Good Change.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
June 20 2012 04:22 GMT
#12480
Right. It seems like its harder to get iLvl 63's now which means high end gear is harder to farm. Good thing I stocked up on like 3 bank alts worth of items. With the Demon Hunter high end buff, Gromm buff, and now this I stand to make so much money. Maybe Ill go double or triple 7970's afterall!
twitch.tv/medrea
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