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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 06 2010 22:53 GMT
#81
On June 07 2010 06:45 radmax86 wrote:

And I chase down lots of heroes (including some ghosters) with lizard buff + phange/mallet every day.

You could just say Lizard OR phage/mallet, since slows dont stack and it just uses whichever is the greater slow
You can't milk those!
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
June 06 2010 22:58 GMT
#82
On June 07 2010 07:22 Southlight wrote:
Sheen = support what? Sheen basically doubles her damage.


Well, yeah. But wouldn't you agree that a Guinsoo's Rageblade would all-around be better for her?

You'll only get one hit off with +80% on a Sheen in a battle. And with her first cougar ability, if they are low on health anyways, you won't even need it. For general skirmishes and ganks, Rageblade will give you the damage you need to rip people apart. If you can dish out frequent high-end damage you'll be able to kill people or make them run off.

Also, AP Kat doesn't make sense to me. Kat's ult only becomes useful later on if you use AP.
I mean the Rylai's slow is awesome and you do get additional HP along with the build...

But for brute damage, I think AD would be better, yeah? I like to vaporize people in three hits.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
matthewfoulkes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom246 Posts
June 06 2010 23:09 GMT
#83
as a new player i wana stomp people in pubs who do i play?
Lies? I Dont Tell lies! Thats no lie!
Lanyth
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada62 Posts
June 06 2010 23:09 GMT
#84
This game is really starting to piss me off. The one time I get matched up against a team that isn't consisting of Ezreal/Soraka/Janna my teammate leaves 20 minutes in and fuck us over completely. When can I play a fucking real game for once.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 06 2010 23:12 GMT
#85
Honestly i may be weird, but i go AD kat, with magic pen and rylai's for the slow :p
my ult damage is just fine with 2 bloodthirsters, and since i have a little AP from rylai's my shunpo isnt ignorable either, and i have enough damage to throw in some decent auto attacks between spells
You can't milk those!
TopGear
Profile Joined November 2005
United Kingdom796 Posts
June 06 2010 23:15 GMT
#86
Sorry but what is AP / AD?

Armour Penetration?
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 06 2010 23:17 GMT
#87
On June 07 2010 08:15 TopGear wrote:
Sorry but what is AP / AD?

Armour Penetration?

Ability Power
Attack Damage
You can't milk those!
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
June 06 2010 23:28 GMT
#88
On June 07 2010 07:58 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 07:22 Southlight wrote:
Sheen = support what? Sheen basically doubles her damage.


Well, yeah. But wouldn't you agree that a Guinsoo's Rageblade would all-around be better for her?

You'll only get one hit off with +80% on a Sheen in a battle. And with her first cougar ability, if they are low on health anyways, you won't even need it. For general skirmishes and ganks, Rageblade will give you the damage you need to rip people apart. If you can dish out frequent high-end damage you'll be able to kill people or make them run off.


Sheen is cheap, gives her mana (for laning), gives a bit of oomph to her heal, and later turns into Lichbane, which is filthy.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
June 06 2010 23:47 GMT
#89
On June 07 2010 07:53 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 06:45 radmax86 wrote:

And I chase down lots of heroes (including some ghosters) with lizard buff + phange/mallet every day.

You could just say Lizard OR phage/mallet, since slows dont stack and it just uses whichever is the greater slow


That's not true. Item slows (phange/triforce/mallet/rylais) do not stack with each other, but they do stack with abilities and buffs. There is a soft cap at 210ms, with 50% diminishing returns below that.

Also, supposedly you can stack warden's/randuin's with another item slow, but I haven't tried it yet.



StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 07 2010 00:07 GMT
#90
On June 07 2010 08:47 radmax86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 07:53 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On June 07 2010 06:45 radmax86 wrote:

And I chase down lots of heroes (including some ghosters) with lizard buff + phange/mallet every day.

You could just say Lizard OR phage/mallet, since slows dont stack and it just uses whichever is the greater slow


That's not true. Item slows (phange/triforce/mallet/rylais) do not stack with each other, but they do stack with abilities and buffs. There is a soft cap at 210ms, with 50% diminishing returns below that.

Also, supposedly you can stack warden's/randuin's with another item slow, but I haven't tried it yet.




I'll have to retest that then, they didnt used to when i tested for myself, they may have changed it though.
You can't milk those!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
June 07 2010 00:17 GMT
#91
On June 07 2010 07:03 SCC-Faust wrote:
Katarina question: AP or AD? Why?

And how do people build Nidalee?

I go:

Doran's Ring
Merc Treads
Guinsoo's Rageblade
Yoisomething Ghostblade
The Brutalizer

I find this build fits her and is just way better than starting off with a Sheen. She is a ganker. Unless you want to play her for support, then I guess the Sheen would be a better choice so you can put down more traps and heal more, but that isn't how I think you should play her imo. She has too much potential to take down weak enemies with her cougar skills. And running away from her is almost impossible.
asdgyuhwqkjnebdoiuhbjnlaser.

first off, both AP and AD kats are viable. for some reason, AP takes more flak but ryzer said it's bad so it must be good. kobe24, probably the best kat on the server, was known for going AP kat. he started doing a weird dorans sword + mallet thingy but i don't know about that. solanir, one of the other top kats, goes a weird AD + sunfire build. i don't really understand it but he pulls it off consistently.

i personally build AP and i'll give you a brief explanation. if you want more detailed arguments refer to my older posts in the other thread. AP and AD scale almost identically for lotus in terms of gold per damage. the problem is that AD-providing items aren't nearly as useful as AP providing items (rylais, haunting, zhonyas, void staff). building AD usually means you have to rely on bloodthirsters which is bad since kat dies a lot. also, lotus isn't the focus of a good kat player since 90% of the time you're going to pull off unsatisfactory lotuses. thus you have to rely on voracity chaining your other 3 skills. shunpo is a faster skill to chain then BB and has a longer range. it also allows you to focus on using the damage reduction proc of KI instead of trying to maximize bouncing damage on BB, allowing it to become more efficient. rylais is also one of the single best procs in the game for kat since it turns lotus into a nunu ult, shunpo into a great chasing skill, and BB into a team snare.

i build AP nidalee as i find that it provides more late game utility then straight AD and also makes her become the ideal heal team characer. i go dorans, merc, GRB, lichbane, zhonyas as a core. hotshotgg, the best nidalee on the server, goes something similar but adds a brutalizer/youmuus into it.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 00:22:38
June 07 2010 00:21 GMT
#92
I linked this post, this time, so now you can go point people toward the first post >_>

Edit:
Also Hotshot does some weeeeeeeeeeeeeird shit.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 00:55:25
June 07 2010 00:54 GMT
#93
On June 07 2010 09:21 Southlight wrote:
I linked this post, this time, so now you can go point people toward the first post >_>

Edit:
Also Hotshot does some weeeeeeeeeeeeeird shit.
not on nidalee....
actually yeah i've seen him go brutalizer AND youmuus.
did we ever establish whether they stacked or not?

also that post above is probably the worst one to link lol.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 07 2010 01:02 GMT
#94
Been getting this all day today and yesterday. I know the server is buggy but does any one have any fixes?
[image loading]

I wanna play :[
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 01:03:22
June 07 2010 01:02 GMT
#95
I don't feel like browsing through 50 pages to find a better one, blarharhar.

I don't think we ever got a 100% but based on MM + SS + Locket I'd go ahead and assume Hotshot isn't dumb enough to try things that don't work. He thinks outside the box and does crazy shit but they're usually relatively intelligent things.

@Haz
I've not been having any problems at all, except for when Verizon went down for a bit. Honestly I'd say it's on your end, either your network setup or your ISP.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 07 2010 01:08 GMT
#96
That's weird because once I get into game I don't disconnect at all. It's just on random days where this happens. I don't think it's my isp since other games play fine, maybe something with my network setup but I dunno why anything would be different.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 07 2010 01:29 GMT
#97
On June 07 2010 10:08 HazMat wrote:
That's weird because once I get into game I don't disconnect at all. It's just on random days where this happens. I don't think it's my isp since other games play fine, maybe something with my network setup but I dunno why anything would be different.


Send in your logs to Riot. Then email support[at]riotgames.com and hope Jesse Perring answers you on a Sunday night.
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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
June 07 2010 04:16 GMT
#98
Where my dogs at? (Nasus players :p)

Since the nerf to Aegis, Messiah's high-ELO team build has been far less effective. At first I tried replacing it with Heart of Gold, a less team oriented but more selfish item than Aegis. The extra gold is nice especially since tanks already have a hard time farming, but I figure there has to be a more worthwhile investment.

Lately I've been trying out something a bit different with fairly good results:
Doran's Shield
Boots 1
Belt of Giant Strength
Mercury Treads
Sheen
Sunfire Cape
Last Whisper or additional sunfire cape/Banshees Veil if I'm still not tanky enough.

What do you guys think of that? I also tried brees' build which is like HoG,Mercs,Sunfire X5. It's the only other viable modern Nasus build I've seen, but it's just not as fun
MIK Terran
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
June 07 2010 05:03 GMT
#99
On June 07 2010 08:09 matthewfoulkes wrote:
as a new player i wana stomp people in pubs who do i play?


I'd recommend Shaco, Nidalee, or Twitch. New players just can't seem to deal with roaming ganks or invisibility very well. Also you can backdoor pretty well with all three and if you're fed enough will take down towers.
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 05:23:45
June 07 2010 05:11 GMT
#100
On June 07 2010 08:17 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 08:15 TopGear wrote:
Sorry but what is AP / AD?

Armour Penetration?

Ability Power
Attack Damage


Hrmm, I feel like we should have something in the FAQ for newer players explaining the abbreviations or terms that we commonly use here like:

AP - ability power
AD - attack damage
MP, MPen, Magic Pen - magic penetration (tbh i get confused sometimes when ppl use MP to talk about Magic Penetration instead of Magic Points, but like 90% of the time they are talking about Magic Penetration - see its context)
AP, APen, Armor Pen - armor penetration
Flat MP(HP) - usually comes about in the context of discussing runes that give a constant boost to your Mana Points (Hit Points)
MP(HP) per level, MP/level - when discussing runes that give a boost to your MP (HP) equal to the amount * your champion's level
MP(HP)p5, MP/5 - MP (HP) regenerated every five seconds
BD - backdooring, or running around the other team's heroes and/or creeps to attack their buildings/towers
CD - cooldown or cooldown reduction, depending on context
AS - attack speed
MR - magic resist
SR - Summoner's Rift, the 5v5 map
TT - Twisted Treeline, the 3v3 map
MM - Matchmaking
etc etc.

That's all I can think of now just to get you started for updating the OP, but there are probably a lot more.
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