I posted this in the PL Roster thread, but I'll make a new thread anyways. Basically it's just bits of information on each team as well as the explanation as why KTF's lineup is showing some drastic changes.
WeMade FOX: Casy
Due to his absence from progaming over the months of his battle with OGN, Casy was given time to recover to his old form by starting off with the B team. Once he's back to his old skill then he will be included in the A team and the Proleague roster.
KTF: ChoJJa, GooDFriend, Ever)Z(aQua, Sync
This situation here is much worse. All four players were given a paid leave, and are no longer at the Magic Camp (KTF HQ)... The only difference is that ChoJJa and GF are allowed back depending on the situation.
There's no specific details, but basically there's some inner-team problems between the players. In a recent interview with the KTF Coach, Ra, Reach and Garimto about the new season of proleague, they all mention that their weakest attribute is their inability to work as a team. Now, THIS IS ONLY SPECULATION, but I think this is a hint that recently the team has been divided amongst the players. And seeing how ChoJJa, GF, aQua and Sync are all kicked out of the Camp (apparently GF and Chojja are currently paid on-line practice members... lower than B team), these 4 must have been the main problem. Whether the problem is amongst themselves or against others, we don't know.
In the case of ChoJJa and GF, as mentioned earlier they are allowed back once the problems or fixed. FiFo mentions that KTF tried to trade ChoJJa and GF off since they are strong players, but their name values were too high for other teams to take them.
SKT1
It was announced in FiFo a few weeks ago that both Rainbow and Kingdom were "technically B Team". I don't think it was official, but both players were training with the B Team and were following their schedule. The reasons stated were obviously due to the lack of results these two have been showing. The roster shows Kingdom but now Rainbow, which leads me to believe that Rainbow is still struggling with playing up to his skill.
Meanwhile the captain has been changed from Kingdom to Oov. However, the jobs to the team captain has been reduced significantly as to not overwork the captain, and giving him sufficient time to train himself and practice.
CJ Entus
This news was a few weeks back, but it FiFo wrote on August 14th that both XellOs and Much REQUESTED themselves to be demoted to the B Team. It is said that they follows the B team schedule (which is usually much more intense than the A team), trained with them and even did the chores given to the B team like laundry and dishwashing (which is extremely rare since both of them are much older than the others... a real humble thing to do especially in Korean culture).
But only a week later both XellOs and Much were able to pass their offline prelims at the OGN Starchallange, showing great effect. It isn't stated however if both players were brought back to A team or not. I'm assuming they are by now.
the most interesting news here is definitely what\'s going on in the KTF house...
chojja/goodfriend/sync/aqua (why the fuck is aqua grouped with those three lol) have been having problems with other team members/each other?? damn... chojja/goodfriend are still pretty damn skilled and sync wasn\'t doing so bad in one of those prelims
it's pretty clear why xellos and much were moved down if you read a little into the story... they probably were unsatisfied with their performances and wanted to motivate themselves to train harder so they dropped off the A team for more intensive practice sessions and to make them hungrier
I just want RainBOw and Casy back in the proleague. After that Rekrul gossip, I never really cared about BadFriend. Too bad for Cowboy Zerg and Sync though. Also great to see Xellos and Much really showing dedication and determination.
I sure hope KTF work out their problems and Rainbow + Kingdom come back. Much and Xellos's determination is extremely impressive however, that's true dedication.
First of all thanks live2win! That's why i come here, to read insider stuff like that. Makes the scene and the teams way more interesting.
Casy. We've seen it on the fotos allready and it's totaly understandabel. I think it's not only important for his redevelopement of his skills, but for his integration in the teams atmosphere too.
KTF. The part where fifo mentioned that ktf tried to trade them off is really interesting. We all knew that something doesn't quite work in KTF. It came up here several times and it's an indicator that ktf know that they have to change things. Sometimes i get the feeling that some players kinda forget their responsebility as progamers. I don't know them of course. But i believe that when good players fall behind it's because a) they have personal problems (family, team atmosphere, etc) or b) they simply let it slide and totaly forget that they are indeed replaceable (over time). If you worked all your life as a progamer, and you saw how everything blew up around you, it's no wonder when you forget that behind all the nice things like fame and the playerhouse is acctualy tuff ass business with a crapload of money involved.
SKT1. Same here. You just can't have a player around just for the heck of it. Just because you had success back in the day, doesn't mean you can let it slide. I really do hope kingdom finds the strife to renew himself. And not just kingdom. SKT1 struggles, oov showed real power recently but you just have to have more than two (and a half) players who basicaly keep the rest on a moderate level. I believe oov still has the flame. Last season i read a interview where he said he practiced so hard until his hands hurt. I believe there's much more going on in this guys head than just the "i have to win just because i'm a progamer". He's now the captain and i have the feeling he knows what that means. It's good that they reduced his work as a captain but there's still the captain boxer skt1 thing if you know what i mean. He's the big terran now for the team.
CJ Entus. That's fantastic news in my eyes. Not only because it shows that they acknowledge their current form, but also that there is still fire in their eyes. I'm especialy happy for xellos. You allways get the feeling that he's kinda lost now. My respect for both of them. Work hard boys!
On September 14 2007 18:43 HonestTea wrote: I really want Chojja to return to form, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) even more so for GoodFriend.
I never liked either, but they added a lot of color to the progaming scene.
GoodFriend added colour to the pro scene? WTF are you smoking. GF never did anything except lose in one final and lose to one hatch slow hydras. He never made a pimp play, he won the odd TvP with nice two fac play, but other than that, he has ZERO personality and ZERO accomplishments. He is a salary sink and should stop playing.
ChoJJa, he is a champion and manages to be a contender now and then. He also has personality (unlike bad friend). I could manage to see him come back. If not, between the two of them, ChoJJa will be the one to get to a new team, unless GF runs to wemade.
Mani you could argue that GF is so lacking in personality that it's become distinctive and thus he has a personality... one of "boringness."
Nobody is as boring and mediocre as GF. You can even call him the "champion" of mediocrity or the "most boring player in the history of starcraft." Unfortunately that very statement disqualifies him as being boring because he is in fact SO boring that he's not boring anymore.
Our planned LiquiScoop playing card for GF read "If GoodFriend is in play, you must play with your hand face up."
poor poor goodfriend.. if it's not hallucinated arbiter recall, having all his scv's disappear, losing to godlike july in the final, it's eternal hatred by fans for being boring. i mostly blame it on his retarded initial justin timberlake haircut
There's B teams now? O_o What exactly does that mean? Btw, I'll always kinda like goodfriend, cause I thought he played good when I first saw him in the WCG 2003 Korean prelims vs ogogo
On September 14 2007 23:18 SoMuchBetter wrote: iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005
Haha, agreed, I thought I was the only one who thought that.
A standard Terran with no real flair or inspiration, just solid mechanics. I'm siding with Mani here, I've NEVER hid my hatred for GF over the years and don't intend to now. He simply doesn't deserve to be playing in the upper echelon of progaming and he never has. GoodRiddence to GoodFriend.
Mean, yes, but in the business of entertainment and sport there is no room for someone with zero personality, and completely mediocre skills.
It's sad for chojja who was n°1 Kespa 2 years ago ... I agree his results has not been very good lately but he's still an impressive gamer so i really hope he could come back quickly. I just love his style.
On September 14 2007 23:18 SoMuchBetter wrote: iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005
Haha, agreed, I thought I was the only one who thought that.
A standard Terran with no real flair or inspiration, just solid mechanics. I'm siding with Mani here, I've NEVER hid my hatred for GF over the years and don't intend to now. He simply doesn't deserve to be playing in the upper echelon of progaming and he never has. GoodRiddence to GoodFriend.
Mean, yes, but in the business of entertainment and sport there is no room for someone with zero personality, and completely mediocre skills.
Ok, first of all, I didn't make myself clear enough.
GoodFriend added color to the pro scene precisely because he was one of the best jobbers in the history of Starcraft. I mean... look at his list of memorable losses. You mentioned the Hallucination Recall on Parallel lines, the 1-hatch hydra/ling against Shark on New Cultivation, the schintillating fast tank push loss to July in the OSL finals... not to mention Death by Harassment to Rainbow, the Unusually Potent Mutalistsks of Yellow in OSL, and all the good stuff.
By being a low personality, high efficiency gamer, GoodFriend became a memorable villian (in a different way than Savior is a villian) in the pro scene.
Plus, I think it's unfair to call GoodFriend colorless. He was surely the master of the 2-fac (hmm... Iris?). He was the best at setting up contains since Gundam himself. Steve once said that GoodFriend was the player that terrified you when he was against your favorite player, and I totally agree with that.
I guess I want him back so I can see him spectacularly lose again. Plus his career is slightly underrated.
He is NOT one of the 1-fac/1-rax CC Terrans that have recently sprung up like weeds. (= GOODFRIEND IS NOT BIFROST) GoodFriend is actually an old school Terran who remembers the days before FD, before bunker rushes, before FE. So in a way, he has his own style. Consider him the Silver of Terran.
And Iris has nothing to do with anything. Iris is actually more of an aggressive Xellos in my mind.
On September 15 2007 03:39 HonestTea wrote: Ok, first of all, I didn't make myself clear enough.
GoodFriend added color to the pro scene precisely because he was one of the best jobbers in the history of Starcraft. I mean... look at his list of memorable losses. You mentioned the Hallucination Recall on Parallel lines, the 1-hatch hydra/ling against Shark on New Cultivation, the schintillating fast tank push loss to July in the OSL finals... not to mention Death by Harassment to Rainbow, the Unusually Potent Mutalistsks of Yellow in OSL, and all the good stuff.
By being a low personality, high efficiency gamer, GoodFriend became a memorable villian (in a different way than Savior is a villian) in the pro scene.
Plus, I think it's unfair to call GoodFriend colorless. He was surely the master of the 2-fac (hmm... Iris?). He was the best at setting up contains since Gundam himself. Steve once said that GoodFriend was the player that terrified you when he was against your favorite player, and I totally agree with that.
I guess I want him back so I can see him spectacularly lose again. Plus his career is slightly underrated.
He is NOT one of the 1-fac/1-rax CC Terrans that have recently sprung up like weeds. (= GOODFRIEND IS NOT BIFROST) GoodFriend is actually an old school Terran who remembers the days before FD, before bunker rushes, before FE. So in a way, he has his own style. Consider him the Silver of Terran.
And Iris has nothing to do with anything. Iris is actually more of an aggressive Xellos in my mind.
Is fun to Watch GoodFriend lose. He got pimped lots of times by lots of players. I mean his face after the Arbiter Reloaded pimp play by rA is awesome.
GoodFriend should spend the time off in an improv class. That'd address many of the concerns (lack of personality, lack of innovative play) that some of you seem to have.
Agreed with Wasabi on GF. His OSL consistency rivalled July's. Not only his 2-fac play TvP - his TvT was considered best in the world for some time, and his TvZ was always solid and all-around powerful.
On September 15 2007 03:39 HonestTea wrote: Ok, first of all, I didn't make myself clear enough.
GoodFriend added color to the pro scene precisely because he was one of the best jobbers in the history of Starcraft. I mean... look at his list of memorable losses. You mentioned the Hallucination Recall on Parallel lines, the 1-hatch hydra/ling against Shark on New Cultivation, the schintillating fast tank push loss to July in the OSL finals... not to mention Death by Harassment to Rainbow, the Unusually Potent Mutalistsks of Yellow in OSL, and all the good stuff.
By being a low personality, high efficiency gamer, GoodFriend became a memorable villian (in a different way than Savior is a villian) in the pro scene.
Plus, I think it's unfair to call GoodFriend colorless. He was surely the master of the 2-fac (hmm... Iris?). He was the best at setting up contains since Gundam himself. Steve once said that GoodFriend was the player that terrified you when he was against your favorite player, and I totally agree with that.
I guess I want him back so I can see him spectacularly lose again. Plus his career is slightly underrated.
He is NOT one of the 1-fac/1-rax CC Terrans that have recently sprung up like weeds. (= GOODFRIEND IS NOT BIFROST) GoodFriend is actually an old school Terran who remembers the days before FD, before bunker rushes, before FE. So in a way, he has his own style. Consider him the Silver of Terran.
And Iris has nothing to do with anything. Iris is actually more of an aggressive Xellos in my mind.
toootally agree about GoodFriend!
Im so tired of all newcomers T___T
Agree with this!
Ive always kinda liked GF if nothing else for his spectacular standardness.. Its like Midas a bit. He is just(at one time) so consistent and its scary to watch your favs go against him, but it also makes me root for him when he is up vs someone I dont like!
no more gf hate!!!! TheMarine was also boring but nice!!!!!
i really hope true veterans will start performing well, progaming isn't the same without Reach, XellOs, IntoTheRainBOw, Kingdom, Sync, Zeus, Junwi, etc. its sure that bw is in a skill level higher than before and newcomers have been pushing some oldies out of the big leagues but hey, BoxeR-YellOw-Garimto rivalries and such were just too good
On September 14 2007 23:18 SoMuchBetter wrote: iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005
Haha, agreed, I thought I was the only one who thought that.
A standard Terran with no real flair or inspiration, just solid mechanics. I'm siding with Mani here, I've NEVER hid my hatred for GF over the years and don't intend to now. He simply doesn't deserve to be playing in the upper echelon of progaming and he never has. GoodRiddence to GoodFriend.
Mean, yes, but in the business of entertainment and sport there is no room for someone with zero personality, and completely mediocre skills.
iris is standard and has no flair???
=(
Alright, alright, he's gotten much better. I suppose I should have said my early opinion of Iris was a copy of GF.
I share HB's sentiments, especially after BlizzCon. IriS is definitely showing more potential that we've seen from GF, not to mention he doesn't seem as mundane. He definitely has the (-_-) face but at least he has something "exciting" to say during his interviews than GF too.
I'm worried about Kingdom and Rainbow, they better pull their act together, because without them there just won't be any amusing tossplayers except reach.
I love how XellOs took a step down, swallowing his pride like that. I think being one of the hyeongs on the team and stepping down like that sets a good example and atmosphere for the CJ Entus team. s2s2s2 XellOs
i remember watching the previous proleague and i have to admit i saw chojja win more games than he lost. i remember i saw about 5 or 4 of his previous proleague matches and i recall seeing him lose 1 or 2. I also recall seeing him win 2 ace matches. so why is he considered a "bad" player if no one has even seen him play recently? well at least the ktf team should broadcast some of chojja's games before demoting him
EPT
![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/staff/KizZBG/proleaguebanner2.jpg)
