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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:30 Whole wrote: ummm. could you guys stop shitting on the idra fanclub thread with a balance argument? go make a skype group and talk it over there or something. agreed, this is the IdrA fanclub not the balance debate club. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:08 derive wrote: He lost quite a bit recently. Actually his last accomplishment is this MLG. You could see that on something like his GG profile. White-Ra, Naniwa, HasuObs. They loose sometime, but it's honestly quite rare. Also stats are kinda volatile and all we all agree on that. The reason why Zerg whine about it is because a lot of pro Zerg have been pointing it out, and it definitely feel quite hard probably whatever the level your playing at. The relative "easy race" feeling you get when you play against a Zerg probably has a role (whether it's actually true or not). Also Zerg seems to have an hard time winning a big tour right now (and no IPL doesn't count). EDIT: P 5 - 2 Z in current GSL tourney. I know it's not significant with so few matches, but 5-2 is not "quite well". See, this is what I mean. You're so blatantly biased in choosing which statistics to cite and which to ignore, and in deducing results. I was refering to GSL season 6 (the one Nestea won...that was 6 right?), and you ignore that and cite a 7 game sample in a tournament that hasn't even gotten past it's first round yet. Anything that small shouldn't even be mentioned in any balance discussion. Then you say "Zerg seems to have a hard time winning a big tour right now". Again, ignoring the fact that Nestea just won the most prestigous tournament in the world. Also, why should the IPL be discounted? It had several strong players, including Axslav, Sheth, Machine, Incontrol, and Fenix, Select, and Kiwikaki. Idra beat Select and Kiwikaki in best of series, those are two extremely strong players. There's no reason the IPL should be discounted unless it's because it falls under the "doesn't prove my point" category. And then you say White-Ra, Naniwa, HasuObs. They loose sometime, but it's honestly quite rare. which is a completely baseless statement. White-ra is 5-2 in the NASL (granted he didn't play one of his games), Naniwa is 4-3, and HasuObs is 4-3. MC is also 4-3, while Ace is 5-2. Meanwhile, Morrow, July, Ret, and Sen are all 6-1, and Moon, Zenio, Idra are 5-2. To say Zergs are having a harder time than Protoss winning important games in general is just wrong and blatantly ignores evidence. Of course the rebuttal is "well Nestea and Idra won because they're so much better, it doesn't prove anything.". Why is that always the case with Zerg though, and never the case with any other race? Maybe MC won because he was so good. Maybe Naniwa went 26-2 in MLG because he played well. SO much bias X_X On June 01 2011 04:30 Whole wrote: ummm. could you guys stop shitting on the idra fanclub thread with a balance argument? go make a skype group and talk it over there or something. You except an Idra fanclub not to have any balance talk? O_O : P | ||
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phfantunes
Brazil170 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:43 TheSubtleArt wrote: You except an Idra fanclub not to have any balance talk? O_O : P Yes. At best we can whine about imbalance because this is a god damn fan club. What's up with Protoss players coming here all the time? Do Zerg players buzz at the MC or whatever-protoss-player-you-guys-love-thread? You know what, scratch that. The solid arguments and walls of text generously given by Protoss players have enlightened me and opened my eyes. I'll never complain again after I lose a match against P and, since I now believe Zerg is OP, I'll give my opponents a 5 minute head start into the match to make it fair. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:55 phfantunes wrote: Yes. At best we can whine about imbalance because this is a god damn fan club. What's up with Protoss players coming here all the time? Do Zerg players buzz at the MC or whatever-protoss-player-you-guys-love-thread? You know what, scratch that. The solid arguments and walls of text generously given by Protoss players have enlightened me and opened my eyes. I'll never complain again after I lose a match against P and, since I now believe Zerg is OP, I'll give my opponents a 5 minute head start into the match to make it fair. Wait, I'm a little confused... So you want us to just peace out and let you guys bounce fallacies and biases off each other? The reason Zerg players don't buzz at the -Insert Protoss/Terran Here- thread as much is because they aren't beacons for balance whining, and if they are, I would have no issue with you guys dropping by and correcting obvious errors in logic and pointing out biases. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
Neither does many other fans. Commenting is something, getting some pages of discussion is another... Please, just go discuss somewhere else | ||
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darlhet
Italy548 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:55 phfantunes wrote: You know what, scratch that. The solid arguments and walls of text generously given by Protoss players have enlightened me and opened my eyes. I'll never complain again after I lose a match against P and, since I now believe Zerg is OP, I'll give my opponents a 5 minute head start into the match to make it fair. /facepalm | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:43 TheSubtleArt wrote: Of course the rebuttal is "well Nestea and Idra won because they're so much better, it doesn't prove anything.". Why is that always the case with Zerg though, and never the case with any other race? Because it is simply fact that NesTea had an easy path to the finals. He almost got knocked out on the gorup stages, but got lucky and was able to get in after losing to Clide because he got to smash Jinro twice. Then he was losing game 5 against sC, who made a huge mistake and let 2 of his bases die to mutalisks for free when he was in a game-winning position. Other than that, he had FD anypro and IncA, where he didn't even have to try. Yet people will use NesTea as an example of how easy PvZ is for him. It's mind boggling. | ||
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Blackcidy
Denmark31 Posts
I think it's really cool and you should all go check it out and support this project  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1011310132/star-nation-a-look-at-the-players-behind-starcraft | ||
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
On June 01 2011 05:09 Blackcidy wrote: Here is a documentry from MLG about starcraft, IdrA appears somewhere in the middle of it, where he's interviewed, and you also see his reaction after beating HuK. I think it's really cool and you should all go check it out and support this project http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1011310132/star-nation-a-look-at-the-players-behind-starcraft Looks pretty cool! IdrA comes off like a jerk, but a professional one at that. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jmrRB.jpg) If we can get 20k people watching SotG, we can get at least half of them to donate one dollar...right? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1011310132/star-nation-a-look-at-the-players-behind-starcraft | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:55 phfantunes wrote: Yes. At best we can whine about imbalance because this is a god damn fan club. What's up with Protoss players coming here all the time? Do Zerg players buzz at the MC or whatever-protoss-player-you-guys-love-thread? You know what, scratch that. The solid arguments and walls of text generously given by Protoss players have enlightened me and opened my eyes. I'll never complain again after I lose a match against P and, since I now believe Zerg is OP, I'll give my opponents a 5 minute head start into the match to make it fair. I actually play Zerg, but ok | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Okay cool, I play random, but can someone enlighten me why you are arguing about imbalance in fan club? If Idra loses to a perceived imbalance, let his fans complain about it, don't come in and say no it's not imbalance idra just got outplayed derrr, because thats not what you do it fan clubs ffs. They are meant to praise/support/talk about the player, not this crap | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
Imbalance talk out Immediately | ||
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JuuMeijin
Sweden164 Posts
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:41 Chill wrote: Idra fans in Imbalance talk out Immediately Thanks Chill. So my plans for today are to download every IdrA replay from sc2rep and watch them all in an effort not to suck as Zerg. This should be fun. If anyone's embarked on this sort of thing before, got any tips? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:34 1Eris1 wrote: Okay cool, I play random, but can someone enlighten me why you are arguing about imbalance in fan club? If Idra loses to a perceived imbalance, let his fans complain about it, don't come in and say no it's not imbalance idra just got outplayed derrr, because thats not what you do it fan clubs ffs. They are meant to praise/support/talk about the player, not this crap I agree, but I think it's important to keep the focus of the fan club to praise the player as opposed to denigrate another, this sort of sprung from people talking ill of Minigun etc. which lead into a discussion on balance, with silly points being brought up. Get back to praising IdrA and finding neat mentions of him and what not, and avoid putting down other players in this thread because you may find that people can be fans of more than one player and don't really want to see a thread with unfair shit talking about them. Long story short, keep this an IdrA fan club, not a hate-group or some shit for other players, "X player sucks shit only does well because of race"... | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Then watch his replays and try to find out how he does whatever you have trouble with. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:41 Chill wrote: Idra fans in Imbalance talk out Immediately Thank you! | ||
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Davidmu
28 Posts
If someone does the chill get out joke now im gonna punch them in the face. | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
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