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On April 14 2011 02:06 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +Good, stay away from my show if that's seriously what you are thinking.
Meh, if you watched chaos;head, you should know what was coming in the first couple of episodes. I have no idea what you are expecting, but so far we are just following the life of a pretty smart guy who has a rather advanced case of 中二病 (Uta how would we translate this). Random nonsense? The only things beyond basic character development has been the banana, the stabbing and the random disappearance of things in Akiba. The banana was even left till the very end of ep2. So...suck it up and sit through an introduction because that's what it is? There isn't a plot yet -.- Why exactly would they need several episodes to build up their plot? You can start on the plot right off the bat and explain it by...you know...telling the story. Right now we are following the life of a boring down-on-his-luck main char that i can see in a dozen of other shows, all equally boring. Why do i have to follow this guys boring life? Either you start with the plot from episode 1 and tell the story or you slap on a tiny pre-arc on the show like FMA did to go ahead and explain a ton right off the bat. Honestly at this point it's allready showing that the creators have an abyssmall taste in pacing and regardless of all that i doubt something happens prevents me from putting these cliche characters up against a wall and calling the firing squad. Would Cowboy Bebop be better if you started the show with 3 episode's of Spike doing the groceries because they had to start it off? These kind of snooze fest openings are tell tale signs of a poor script drafted by a writer that can't figure out a way to combine character introduction and just fixes it by adding a every-day-life episode to toss in a bunch of characters. I like fast paced and i like slow paced but i loathe poorly paced shows like this that just have me watching a slice of life show about a guy that happens to be able to send bananas back in time. I must apologize for making that sound more intresting then it really is. Like i said, i will be watching it for a few more episodes, perhaps the writer is only incompetent at the start of his story but the only way anyone can like these opening episodes is if they are into boring coma inducing anime wich i suppose some might be. It might get better in the future but the show isn't off to a good start.
your definition of boring, is intriguing to say the least.
anyway, complaining about a lost-esque approach when the series is only 2 episodes in, which where spent introducing the characters does not really seem like valid criticism. you need to give it a few more episodes.
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your definition of boring, is intriguing to say the least.
anyway, complaining about a lost-esque approach when the series is only 2 episodes in, which where spent introducing the characters does not really seem like valid criticism. you need to give it a few more episodes.
I understand they have to introduce the characters, but one of the main problems i had with that is that it doesn't have to be dumped on me like this. Two episodes in wich the plot is kept so sealed off nobody can honestly claim to even have half a clue of where it's going and a handfull of characters that aren't exactly intresting introduced in even less intresting ways.
Think Full Metal Alchemist, when did we learn about most of the military characters? You don't just write a story and then try and jam all the characters in the story in a persons face as fast as you can to get it over with. Introduce them gradually and rather then create 2 boring eps, just weave these characters into the plot and leave some space to move the story forward. It's all character introduction at this point and nearly no story movement.
I don't know how many episodes this show is going to have but if it's 12 then it seems like a real waste if even 2 of those are wasted on stuff like this. You don't need introduction eps. The difference between a good writer and a bad one is partly in how he can introduce elements to the story without going through contrived and almost forcefull introduction eps.
To me it just seems like the writer threw his hands up and said "fuck it just toss all the chars into the first two eps".
And again i want to remind people i haven't stopped watching the show and i will watch more eps, but these first two are just bad and i don't see how anyone would be hooked by them, wich is kind of the whole purpose of the first eps.
Edit: Also read about [C] Money of Soul and Possibility of Control. Yu-gi-oh battle-anime all the way through. The trailer kind of gave me that vibe but i am still dissapointed to see it like that. I was really hoping from something new.
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I just dont get it lol.. too confusing and complex for my simple, moe filled brain
same for oretsuba
ichigo mashimaro fits right in though ^^
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i have 5 VNs installed and I'm wondering what I should start with/what should I skip
Tsukihime, Saya no Uta, A drug that makes you dream, Ef, Shuffle!
i also have the following anime on my hdd: ef, angel beats, shuffle, bakuman, kon!!, spice and wolf + 2 and kimi no todoke.. whats good and whats not?
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First of all I hate the way they introduce chars in series like FMA where they introduce the main character with a bunch of stupid unrelated plots using throwaway characters just to show off a crappy superpower that gets rendered obsolete within 10 chapters by a supervillain who has a superpower that trumps the main character's, followed by emotasticness as the main character(s) are nurtured back into positive thinking followed by the introduction of more epicness as the manga begins to take on popularity followed by ever escalating levels of power as the villain you saw at the start turns out to be just a piece of the puzzle and the main character levels up getting more and more powers like a series like FMA.
Second, we've mentioned several times in the reply posts, as well as leading up to the airing and even during 1 and 2 (when I found out) that S;G is being ~24 episodes, which is far too long given its level of content (I believe in my review I mentioned it was ~15 hours of reading... 24 episodes is like 8 hours of viewing, which means you get a hefty amount of dialog... except dialog doesn't translate to anime well because you get a bunch of people sitting around).
Third, there's a reason for the mass intro at the start, and the plot has already started. You just don't realize it you're completely missing all the clues! LOL ON YOU amirite. And thus the airplane zooms over your head. These two episodes are enough to do some ponderings over what's going on. Obviously Ecael and I can say this with impunity because we've read the thing and know the little details, but I mentioned after ep 1 that I loved how they kept a lot of the little details in. That you've totally missed all the clues makes it pretty obvious that you've locked into one mentality regarding the series and decided not to pay attention. There was a super painfully blatant one already that made me cringe (I don't remember it being in the VN).
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On April 14 2011 04:59 OutlaW- wrote:
i have 5 VNs installed and I'm wondering what I should start with/what should I skip
Tsukihime, Saya no Uta, A drug that makes you dream, Ef, Shuffle!
i also have the following anime on my hdd: ef, angel beats, shuffle, bakume, kon!!, spice and wolf + 2 and kimi no todoke.. whats good and whats not?
Shuffle is bad, never heard of drug, in terms of quality I'd probably go Tsukihime > Ef > Saya.
With regards to the anime I'm not sure what Bakume is but the only one I like from all of those is ef.
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What I don't get is how you can claim that a writer can try to proceed with the plot while introducing characters when you don't know what the plot is about. Your example of FMA had it working because of lulls between separate parts and because of characters making sense introduced while the plot is unfolding. That isn't always the case. There are plenty of cases where you need to introduce a character without moving the plot, simply because the introduction won't make much sense once the plot gets moving. In exchange for this phase of introduction, S;G pretty much keeps moving when the plot gets started and keeps at such a pace that it becomes hard to introduce this main cast of characters.
EDIT - I can't really agree with Uta in saying that the plot has already started. It has in hindsight, but on the first viewing it is just a bunch of random with little things here and there that perks out.
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TL;DR I owned Ecael with my post.
ON YOUR KNEES!
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You've never heard of Yume Miru Kusuri? I remember someone mentioning something good about it in ADT a while back and I assume it was you or Ecael.
EDIT: It was Blasterion.
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On April 14 2011 05:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:
You've never heard of Yume Miru Kusuri? I remember someone mentioning something good about it in ADT a while back and I assume it was you or Ecael.
Wasn't me and Uta doesn't know it, it was discussed before though.
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Outlaw, in terms of Quality I would say Ef -> Tsukihime -> Saya.
But you should play Saya at night before you go to sleep.
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On April 14 2011 05:01 Ecael wrote:
EDIT - I can't really agree with Uta in saying that the plot has already started. It has in hindsight, but on the first viewing it is just a bunch of random with little things here and there that perks out.
Obviously hindsight is 20-20 which is why I mentioned we can say it because we've already read it, but by this point I was already theorizing about ZA ZOMBI, the satellite, and the missing text message. Before BANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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On April 14 2011 05:09 Kaal wrote:
Outlaw, in terms of Quality I would say Ef -> Tsukihime -> Saya.
But you should play Saya at night before you go to sleep.
is it scary/thriller/psychological? o_o, ill play all three it seems
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Southlight 4:15 pm
like you can't tell me the eps weren't packed
well the plot movement is as i said
he went to a press conference
satellite landed
girl gets stabbed
sends message
satellite ewdged into building
goes to press conference, different speaker
girl not stabbed
but that's my point
like you can't seriously point at this and go NOTHING HAPPENED ALL INTRO DERP
Ecael 4:17 pm
I can see his point in that these individual events feel sufficiently disconnected as to give someone the sense of them being random
and just dramatized
like
Southlight 4:17 pm
what does he want
the answer to the mystery in 2 eps?
Ecael 4:18 pm
probably
Southlight 4:18 pm
IN THE REMAINING 22 EPS
WE GO BACK TO SLICE OF LIFE
STELLVIA STYLE
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On April 14 2011 05:00 Southlight wrote:First of all I hate the way they introduce chars in series like FMA where they introduce the main character with a bunch of stupid unrelated plots using throwaway characters just to show off a crappy superpower that gets rendered obsolete within 10 chapters by a supervillain who has a superpower that trumps the main character's, followed by emotasticness as the main character(s) are nurtured back into positive thinking followed by the introduction of more epicness as the manga begins to take on popularity followed by ever escalating levels of power as the villain you saw at the start turns out to be just a piece of the puzzle and the main character levels up getting more and more powers like a series like FMA. Second, we've mentioned several times in the reply posts, as well as leading up to the airing and even during 1 and 2 (when I found out) that S;G is being ~24 episodes, which is far too long given its level of content (I believe in my review I mentioned it was ~15 hours of reading... 24 episodes is like 8 hours of viewing, which means you get a hefty amount of dialog... except dialog doesn't translate to anime well because you get a bunch of people sitting around). Third, there's a reason for the mass intro at the start, and the plot has already started. You just don't realize it you're completely missing all the clues! LOL ON YOU amirite. And thus the airplane zooms over your head. These two episodes are enough to do some ponderings over what's going on. Obviously Ecael and I can say this with impunity because we've read the thing and know the little details, but I mentioned after ep 1 that I loved how they kept a lot of the little details in. That you've totally missed all the clues makes it pretty obvious that you've locked into one mentality regarding the series and decided not to pay attention. There was a super painfully blatant one already that made me cringe (I don't remember it being in the VN). Edit: Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:59 OutlaW- wrote:
i have 5 VNs installed and I'm wondering what I should start with/what should I skip
Tsukihime, Saya no Uta, A drug that makes you dream, Ef, Shuffle!
i also have the following anime on my hdd: ef, angel beats, shuffle, bakume, kon!!, spice and wolf + 2 and kimi no todoke.. whats good and whats not? Shuffle is bad, never heard of drug, in terms of quality I'd probably go Tsukihime > Ef > Saya. With regards to the anime I'm not sure what Bakume is but the only one I like from all of those is ef.
Drug is Yume miru kusuri, it's good, but.... only enjoyable by some people and at certain parts in a way
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I'll be fair and add that all that Uta said doesn't mean a thing when you consider how zalz doesn't like the Lost kind of approach by dumping you in the middle of a situation with a ton of hidden information. The plot has already started moving in hindsight, but on first sight this seems to be a ton of random informations with no explanation attached to them whatsoever.
Now personally I am a big fan of hidden information, when that draws a viewer's attention, the amount of speculating and theorycraft that gets done is amazing and damned fun. When it doesn't though it just feels like hell. To that, all I can say is that this is still an introduction, suck it up and watch it if you want to bother. Things won't be coherent for a while. If the methods used aren't to your liking, well, you might be better off not watching at all.
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On April 14 2011 05:10 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 05:09 Kaal wrote:
Outlaw, in terms of Quality I would say Ef -> Tsukihime -> Saya.
But you should play Saya at night before you go to sleep. is it scary/thriller/psychological? o_o, ill play all three it seems
Saya is about a cute little loli who is apparently not so cute. To other people, anyways~ Is it scary/thriller/psychological? I guess all three would apply. It's rather short, so if I were you, I'd read that one first. IIRC, it took me probably under three hours to complete.
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HorribleSubs seems to be working like shit for me when it comes to stein. I've been using whatever else is available and having much better luck. Also, watched the first EP of Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi just to get my harem fix.
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Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi was pretty boring when you consider that the previous work is Akaneiro ni Somaru Saka. That said, Minato makes an appearance, so we are all happy.
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On April 14 2011 06:21 Ecael wrote:
Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi was pretty boring when you consider that the previous work is Akaneiro ni Somaru Saka. That said, Minato makes an appearance, so we are all happy.
Yeah but Hoshi has the little brother, and the little brother is chou-kawaii/moe.
Edit; Tarlog, I didn't ban you, come back.
<spazer> "sir the federation has a new weapon!"
<spazer> "don't worry, it's just lightning"
<spazer> -_-
<Caller_> i miss actual strategic warfare in anime
<@Kaal> That's not what he says!
<Caller_> not the mindless
<@Kaal> He says don't worry, thats halo
<Caller_> one robot that thwarts all your calculations
<Caller_> or the fake strategy
<@Kaal> Geass had real strategy in like one episode.
<Caller_> that wasnt strategy
<@Kaal> Where he uses the chinese "back against the wall" strategy.
<Caller_> that was called "i have a maphack"
<spazer> geass also had chess
<Caller_> ok thats not a strategy
<Caller_> thats called "burning the boats"
<spazer> and we all know how that turned out
<@Kaal> geass chess made no sense
<@Kaal> if you look at any of the boards they play on
<@Kaal> it's random shit
<Caller_> pretty much
<spazer> geass also used the spartacus strategy
<Caller_> and we all know how that turned out in spartacus
<Caller_> they all were crucified
<spazer> lol
<@Kaal> LMAO
<Caller_> seriously like
<Caller_> the strategies in geass were, in order
<Caller_> map hack
<Caller_> brute force
<Caller_> map hack
<Caller_> brute force
<Caller_> super weapon
<Caller_> brute force
<Caller_> map hack
<Caller_> brute force AND map hack
<@Kaal> nuke.
<Caller_> more or less
<Caller_> like
<Caller_> there was no strategy whatsoever
<spazer> you just can't see the genius
<spazer> of lelouch's plans
<Caller_> ofc
<@Kaal> Actual strategy, LoGH.
<Caller_> true
<@Kaal> I can't really see any other anime that has it.
<Caller_> logh had some of the only actual strategy ever
<Caller_> i mean people argue that death note was strategy
<Caller_> and im like
<Caller_> no
<Caller_> its a bunch of yaoi fanbait
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