Anime Discussion Thread - Page 6456

On January 29 2023 08:02 Miragee wrote:


Yeah, it wasn't too bad in season 1, which I really liked. Or more like the focus was on other topics so that loli stuff lingering didn't bother me as much. But s2 cranked that up to 11 and put it front and center. Unfortunately, that wasn't even the only thing that went utterly wrong with s2. It felt like they threw everything good from s1 out of the window and just made a season full of melo dramatic horseshit, edginess and fetishes. Easily one of the most disappointing second season ever.

On January 29 2023 00:36 TropicalHaze wrote:
Finally watched Made in Abyss! I can't believe this show is not talked about as much as AoT and such

On January 29 2023 13:42 Manit0u wrote:


Focus on other things or not I find it hard to believe you can have a compelling story when most if not all of your characters are children. Sure, you could go for some sort of fairy tale but purposefully exploring hazardous dungeons? I get it if it was a story about the kids who despite the warnings wandered in there (on a dare or something) and then had to go through some scary ordeal but them just going in and out of the dungeon like some kind of work isn't very plausible. And you can't really have very meaningful character development or complex relations between children so you don't really have much to work with.

Also, the premise seems a bit too similar to Sakugan.

On January 29 2023 13:42 Manit0u wrote:


Focus on other things or not I find it hard to believe you can have a compelling story when most if not all of your characters are children. Sure, you could go for some sort of fairy tale but purposefully exploring hazardous dungeons? I get it if it was a story about the kids who despite the warnings wandered in there (on a dare or something) and then had to go through some scary ordeal but them just going in and out of the dungeon like some kind of work isn't very plausible. And you can't really have very meaningful character development or complex relations between children so you don't really have much to work with.

Also, the premise seems a bit too similar to Sakugan.

On January 29 2023 18:43 Miragee wrote:


I agree with Spazer that this probably is too broad of a generalisation. Some of my favourite shows have a children-only main cast. Hourou Musuko for example or a variety of Ghibli works. Furthermore, while battle shounen usual suffer heavily from certain tropes, HxH is great example of how to it right imho.
That being said, since s1 I wished they had chosen adults for this story. The brutal exploration setting makes little sense with children without super powers (Rin). One of the reasons they chose children is just to get more into the feels of the viewer, which is just cheap imho.
I still think this type of show can work without being carried by strong characters and their development if you focus on the exploration and wonder aspect. Season 1 did a very good job at this with some minor exceptions.

On January 29 2023 22:04 Manit0u wrote:


With Ghibli stuff you have to keep in mind those are one-shot movies, not an entire series. And most of Ghibli's works have the hallmark characteristics of classic fairy tales. In most literary and cinematic works stories with children as main characters are either one-shots or in case of longer series you have them actually growing up so you can have some more development.

The problem with long-running series involving children is that, like I mentioned, it's hard to build complex and meaningful relationships between the characters. You can have them be friends, not be friends, be bullies etc. but the general range of emotional spectrum will be limited. Characters are too young to have too much baggage and not old enough for more serious stuff. Unless you go super grimdark with it like some characters in Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka, but that's hard to push onto the mainstream and impossible to keep PG.

On January 29 2023 23:37 Miragee wrote:


I think you underestimate children. They can have a lot of baggage already and surely they develop all the time. It's not like children suddenly become grown-up once they reach 18... I think the problem is rather that adult writers often have a hard time writing character development of children because they are somewhat removed from their reality. It takes quite a lot of experience with children and empathy to write good character development of children imho.
Your point regarding the Ghibli movies is somewhat valid although I would argue the characters typically have more development and learning experiences in on of those movies compared to entire TV shows with children. You also ignored my other positive examples. Dennou Coil is another good one with a children-only cast. Kaze no Shoujo Emily is also a great coming of age story. Both got 26 episodes.
All in all, I think there are 3 main problems with having children as the main cast in MiA: 1. It doesn't fit the setting and aim. 2. The character is not good and the drama writing is especially bad. 3. Fetishes. However, children as main characters in shows in general are not necessarily a problem; it can be done right.

On January 30 2023 01:22 Manit0u wrote:


I didn't say anything about the other shows you mentioned as I haven't seen them so can't opine on them. I'm not saying you can't have good stories involving children, I do agree though it's very hard to accomplish. Especially for a long series. Like you mentioned there is character growth and a lot is happening in Ghibli movies, but you have to keep in mind that it's all done over the course of a single movie, with TV series you'd have to spend more time focusing on minor details which can quickly fall apart in case of young characters for the reasons I've outlined above. You don't have as high of a range of emotion, potential experiences and relationships that could provide space for those details to fill in the cracks.

On February 01 2023 01:07 ThePhan2m wrote:
I would like to reccommend Overlord series for anyone who hasn't seen it. I can't emphizie enough how enjoyable it is in different ways. I usually don't rewatch shows at all, in fact I despise it. Currently watching Overlord for the 3rd time and so good, with details I have not noticed before. Truly good world and character building

On February 01 2023 03:54 TropicalHaze wrote:
But MiA was published before Sakugan? Also, the premise of Sakugan makes me think of Gurren Lagann.

On February 03 2023 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
whats good this season? broad question I know but taking a shot.

On February 03 2023 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
whats good this season? broad question I know but taking a shot.

On February 03 2023 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
whats good this season? broad question I know but taking a shot.