Anime Discussion Thread - Page 2046

On April 30 2012 17:28 triangle wrote:

Actually, 5000 is a statistically significant sample size. The only way your argument makes sense is if the population of people on ANN is significantly different from the general population, in which this is a case of sampling error (they very well might be, but you'd need evidence for that).

Using sales figures to determine whether a show is good is actually a worse measure, because that measures what is popular, not what is good. Unless you want to argue that K-On was one of the greatest shows of the decade :p

You're basically arguing that it's terrible because other shows are better, but provide no evidence for that at all, besides assertions that Yoshi Kirishima hasn't seen them. All this means is that he can't assess the truth of your statements, it doesn't mean that your statements are correct.

Given the number of awards Code Geass has won, claiming that it's shit puts you at odds with a bunch of people who do know what they're talking about (at least I assume they do), which only further weakens the credibility of your case.

TLDR: If you think a show is shit, recommend other shows that are better and let the person decide for themselves.

Edit - Of course we have no confidence interval, but 5k people is plenty large for most conventional tests of significance, assuming the sampling method is legitimate (and the population distribution isn't too wonky, blah blah). It almost certainly isn't, but that's not a problem with the number.

And we do have a hypothesis: That Code Geass is shit. Either people like watching shit, or that hypothesis ought to be rejected (Or ANN viewers do not represent the general population, making the study meaningless).

And wtf does "significant" mean in the colloquial sense anyway. If a sample is statistically significant, it is significant. You can't have a statistically significant study and then say "well, I didn't mean that kind of significant, I meant the colloquial significant".

Edit -

Good thing that's not what I said... I said one of the greatest shows of the decade (i.e. one of the best selling) not the greatest show of the decade.

Japanese sales numbers and ratings are the best indicators.

TLDR: If you think a show is shit, recommend other shows that are better and let the person decide for themselves.

On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:



Oh, rofl kk xD

Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime?

Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +

Japanese sales numbers and ratings are the best indicators

You think Code Geass is more popular that Mobile Suit Gundam, an anime franchise that has been going strong for over 30 years, is a cultural icon in Japan? Why don't you check out some of the sales numbers for Gundam Unicorn, or Gundam SEED HD Remaster?

In terms of popularity, Naruto and Bleach shit on like all other anime. Just look at the viewership numbers they get.

In 2004, Bandai announced the SEED DVDs had sold 1 million copies of it in Japan. Volume 1 alone sold over 100,000 copies. This means that, for volume 1 at least, 8 years ago, 100,000 people liked Gundam SEED enough to spend money on it (not to mention that shit is expensive in Japan).

You were using popularity as an argument ("majority of viewers think Geass is better than all those anime!!!"), so I showed you that you were wrong. I'd be happy to not have use such arguments, since popular opinion is meaningless in discussions on how good something is, but if you want to use it, then so be it.

English anime review sites aren't even the best indicators of popularity.

Uhhh, you said it was a masterpiece. I disagree. You provide popularity as a reason. Popularity is pointless. You say it appeals to a ton of audiences, as a reason. So do alot of shows (meaning Geass is hardly unique in that). And here we are. Looking for more reasons as to why its a masterpiece.

I did not note popularity as quality. I never used that, so how about you not put words into my mouth and talking like a (excuse me) smart ass? Now if I were to say, Code Geass has so many ratings compared to other shows, then you could have said that. But that's not what I said.

Now, you are contradicting yourself. You said I said CG was popular, and hence good. But now you are making the same mistake. You are saying that because so many watch Gundam, it is better than Code Geass? Who is the one forgetting now? (Note: Actually maybe it was because I was unclear about "majority of viewers". I mean the majority of CG's viewers, not the majority of mecha viewers, or anime viewers, etc. etc.)

Once again you're not understanding what I'm saying, so let me clarify. I am not saying Code Geass is popular, and hence is good.

Now what does this have to do with anything? I can't understand the point there. Or are you going to claim to me that I'm still saying that popularity = quality? Oh wait, that's something that you claimed, or I guess rather, implied, with the gundam stuff and sales.

I absolutely do not want to use it, and once again you are irritating me by making it sound like I still want to use it.

I like how this went from.. people first getting baited into arguing how bad CG is to trying to prove that Gundam is more popular after explicitly claiming that the popularity measure isnt even competent when it comes to how good a show is.

Something tells me that you didn't read the entire discussion...

Thanks for reading the entire discussion before jumping right in.

I did. Quite alot of them too.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94273&currentpage=2041#40803

On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:
No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them)

On April 30 2012 18:41 essencez wrote:
E-drama is excellent.

+ Show Spoiler [Hyouka 2] +

explicitly claiming that the popularity measure isnt even competent when it comes to how good a show is.

On April 30 2012 19:08 Kupo wrote:
Is now the right time to restart the discussion about how popularity is the only objective measure for determining how good a show is?

Also, I'm sure I'm not the minority here thinking Code Geass is a top tier anime cus if you check its ratings on sites like ANN, it is rated very high. Same with a lot of reviews.

The majority of its viewers thought it was a master piece, or close to it. Just check its ratings on anime sites, it has one of the highest ratings in all 3500+ or so notable anime works out there.

Well I'd have to disagree, and the majority of viewers do as well, according to many anime websites and reviews.

On April 30 2012 17:06 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
@Naphal

Uh, I don't like gore and blood just for the sake of it, but they only censor nudity and intense violence. There is shooting and stabbing that is not censored. Only things like body parts falling off or being cut in half are censored. Even so, you can tell what's going on. Either they pixelize it or put some black circle over it, but you can still see the blood coming out from the edges or such.

However, the BDs do have additional content. Some scenes are better animated, and there might be some new scenes (probably very minor?).

On April 30 2012 19:27 solidbebe wrote:


Justin Bieber is really popular, but can you really say his music is good? Popular does not mean good, simply because there are way too many cases where something really popular isn't good, or something good isn't popular.

On April 30 2012 19:44 Naphal wrote:

also hyouka is... boring... yet... i want to watch xD i think the ending sums up what i think about during watching it, have i said yet that shining hearts should be hentai? well now i did and it really should be...

On April 30 2012 20:20 iky43210 wrote:
my taste > your taste.

I'm glad we settled that

On April 30 2012 20:35 Zergneedsfood wrote:

Oh, and Kallen. And for some reason people like Ledouche too, which I don't get.

On November 25 2011 04:04 Ferrose wrote:
Oh my God you people need to get over yourselves. You "intellectual anime viewers" sicken me. Not being able to enjoy good shows becuase it's "a slap in the face to my intellegence as a learned anime viewer" is the most pretentious and ridiculous thing I've ever read.