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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
At first I was like "wtf is happening"? Lolis and singing and shit, wtf am I watching? Then I started to notice how nice the artwork was, and how high the production value looked. That was enough to bring me back in. Though it is weird that they released an anime mid-season. Is there any particular reason for this? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:28 triangle wrote: Actually, 5000 is a statistically significant sample size. The only way your argument makes sense is if the population of people on ANN is significantly different from the general population, in which this is a case of sampling error (they very well might be, but you'd need evidence for that). Using sales figures to determine whether a show is good is actually a worse measure, because that measures what is popular, not what is good. Unless you want to argue that K-On was one of the greatest shows of the decade :p You're basically arguing that it's terrible because other shows are better, but provide no evidence for that at all, besides assertions that Yoshi Kirishima hasn't seen them. All this means is that he can't assess the truth of your statements, it doesn't mean that your statements are correct. Given the number of awards Code Geass has won, claiming that it's shit puts you at odds with a bunch of people who do know what they're talking about (at least I assume they do), which only further weakens the credibility of your case. TLDR: If you think a show is shit, recommend other shows that are better and let the person decide for themselves. Edit - Of course we have no confidence interval, but 5k people is plenty large for most conventional tests of significance, assuming the sampling method is legitimate (and the population distribution isn't too wonky, blah blah). It almost certainly isn't, but that's not a problem with the number. And we do have a hypothesis: That Code Geass is shit. Either people like watching shit, or that hypothesis ought to be rejected (Or ANN viewers do not represent the general population, making the study meaningless). And wtf does "significant" mean in the colloquial sense anyway. If a sample is statistically significant, it is significant. You can't have a statistically significant study and then say "well, I didn't mean that kind of significant, I meant the colloquial significant". Edit - Good thing that's not what I said... I said one of the greatest shows of the decade (i.e. one of the best selling) not the greatest show of the decade. "Using sales figures to determine whether a show is good is actually a worse measure, because that measures what is popular, not what is good." No shit, that is what I said. I never said sales was an indicator for quality. I said it was an indicator for popularity, which is the argument the other dude was making over and over. Here is exactly what I said, you can see it just last page: Japanese sales numbers and ratings are the best indicators. Something tells me that you didn't read the entire discussion... And you want me to show evidence that ANN reviewers don't represent the general population...? I can see that you are trying to be all debatefag here, but do you really expect anyone here to actually try and get something to prove something so obvious? TLDR: If you think a show is shit, recommend other shows that are better and let the person decide for themselves. I did. Quite alot of them too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94273¤tpage=2041#40803 Thanks for reading the entire discussion before jumping right in. User was warned for this post | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them)Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler + The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Japanese sales numbers and ratings are the best indicators Uh... best indicators for... popularity then? Then why are you trying to list Gundam sales as a reason why Code Geass is bad. You think Code Geass is more popular that Mobile Suit Gundam, an anime franchise that has been going strong for over 30 years, is a cultural icon in Japan? Why don't you check out some of the sales numbers for Gundam Unicorn, or Gundam SEED HD Remaster? In terms of popularity, Naruto and Bleach shit on like all other anime. Just look at the viewership numbers they get. In 2004, Bandai announced the SEED DVDs had sold 1 million copies of it in Japan. Volume 1 alone sold over 100,000 copies. This means that, for volume 1 at least, 8 years ago, 100,000 people liked Gundam SEED enough to spend money on it (not to mention that shit is expensive in Japan). You were using popularity as an argument ("majority of viewers think Geass is better than all those anime!!!"), so I showed you that you were wrong. I'd be happy to not have use such arguments, since popular opinion is meaningless in discussions on how good something is, but if you want to use it, then so be it. English anime review sites aren't even the best indicators of popularity. Uhhh, you said it was a masterpiece. I disagree. You provide popularity as a reason. Popularity is pointless. You say it appeals to a ton of audiences, as a reason. So do alot of shows (meaning Geass is hardly unique in that). And here we are. Looking for more reasons as to why its a masterpiece. Time to quote myself and all the times I've said that what you are saying is meaningless because it's not what I'm even arguing about! I did not note popularity as quality. I never used that, so how about you not put words into my mouth and talking like a (excuse me) smart ass? Now if I were to say, Code Geass has so many ratings compared to other shows, then you could have said that. But that's not what I said. Now, you are contradicting yourself. You said I said CG was popular, and hence good. But now you are making the same mistake. You are saying that because so many watch Gundam, it is better than Code Geass? Who is the one forgetting now? (Note: Actually maybe it was because I was unclear about "majority of viewers". I mean the majority of CG's viewers, not the majority of mecha viewers, or anime viewers, etc. etc.) Once again you're not understanding what I'm saying, so let me clarify. I am not saying Code Geass is popular, and hence is good. Now what does this have to do with anything? I can't understand the point there. Or are you going to claim to me that I'm still saying that popularity = quality? Oh wait, that's something that you claimed, or I guess rather, implied, with the gundam stuff and sales. I absolutely do not want to use it, and once again you are irritating me by making it sound like I still want to use it. (Use the argument that popularity = quality) A bystander I like how this went from.. people first getting baited into arguing how bad CG is to trying to prove that Gundam is more popular after explicitly claiming that the popularity measure isnt even competent when it comes to how good a show is. Now Sentenal, when you say things like: Something tells me that you didn't read the entire discussion... Thanks for reading the entire discussion before jumping right in. You are really hurting me ;_; Also, I did. Quite alot of them too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94273¤tpage=2041#40803 That is not actually what you did. You recommended shows, but not for that reason. Your reason for listing those Gundam shows were to show that, because I have not watched all/many mecha anime, I cannot say that Code Geass is a masterpiece. What triangle suggests now is actually a new idea that I didn't consider. If you would like, I can check out some of those anime, but probably not all. So if you want to see my opinion, I will gladly try out a couple of those that you recommend. On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote: No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) Ah, ok thanks :D I heard the VN was "better" as well. I loved the anime so I'll probably have fun playing it :D | ||
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essencez
342 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Hyouka 2] + Nice ep, introduces a new character + cliff hanger at the very end. Cheesy stuff but I like it! | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
The bystander doesnt think ANN reviews are any better a measure than sales. On April 30 2012 18:41 essencez wrote: E-drama is excellent. + Show Spoiler [Hyouka 2] + Nice ep, introduces a new character + cliff hanger at the very end. Cheesy stuff but I like it! I shamelessly admit that as annoying as she is I would have a hard time saying no to this .. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzcfkqo9tz1qzvtljo1_500.jpg) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Like you said, I'm (and also Sentenal?) explicitly claiming that the popularity measure isnt even competent when it comes to how good a show is. (That's the point I wanted to be seen from your post) | ||
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Kupo
Sweden151 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
This argument is so retarded I don't know where to begin. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On April 30 2012 19:08 Kupo wrote: Is now the right time to restart the discussion about how popularity is the only objective measure for determining how good a show is? Justin Bieber is really popular, but can you really say his music is good? Popular does not mean good, simply because there are way too many cases where something really popular isn't good, or something good isn't popular. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Also, I'm sure I'm not the minority here thinking Code Geass is a top tier anime cus if you check its ratings on sites like ANN, it is rated very high. Same with a lot of reviews. This is the beginning.Later, you go on to say The majority of its viewers thought it was a master piece, or close to it. Just check its ratings on anime sites, it has one of the highest ratings in all 3500+ or so notable anime works out there. and later again, Well I'd have to disagree, and the majority of viewers do as well, according to many anime websites and reviews. These are clearly an "appeal to the majority", as if that somehow justified your [then] position that Geass is a masterpiece. It is essentially saying, "Well, everyone else believes it, so it must be true". It is a fallacy. Hence my many objections. If you don't believe those statements to be an appeal to the majority, then wtf did you even bring up the "majority" for? In the case of my mention of sales numbers, it was in direct to your statement that "The majority of viewers disagree those shows [gundam, mazinger, etc] are better". That was making the statement, "Code Geass is more popular than those shows" (because if more people like something more than another thing, that necessarily makes it more popular, because that's what popular means). And Geass is not, this is a fact. The flow of discussion is clear, just go back, look at what was quoted, and what was said in response. While popularity is not a measure of quality, does that mean I'm unable to comment entirely on something's popularity vs another's? | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:06 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: @Naphal Uh, I don't like gore and blood just for the sake of it, but they only censor nudity and intense violence. There is shooting and stabbing that is not censored. Only things like body parts falling off or being cut in half are censored. Even so, you can tell what's going on. Either they pixelize it or put some black circle over it, but you can still see the blood coming out from the edges or such. However, the BDs do have additional content. Some scenes are better animated, and there might be some new scenes (probably very minor?). ok tv version is first, and then i will investigate when bluray is fully done <.< also hyouka is... boring... yet... i want to watch xD i think the ending sums up what i think about during watching it, have i said yet that shining hearts should be hentai? well now i did and it really should be... | ||
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Kupo
Sweden151 Posts
On April 30 2012 19:27 solidbebe wrote: Justin Bieber is really popular, but can you really say his music is good? Popular does not mean good, simply because there are way too many cases where something really popular isn't good, or something good isn't popular. The point I'm trying to make is that there are very few things about an anime that you can rate that isn't based on your own biased opinion. Sure you might rate it on the number of plot holes or put a numerical value on the animation properties and so on, but since most (intellectually good) anime are fairly different I doubt that would be viable. Then there is pretty much only popularity left. Oh and I actually have no idea how Justin Bieber sounds, but he's obviously doing something right. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
I'm glad we settled that | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 30 2012 19:44 Naphal wrote: Did it stop being about bread?also hyouka is... boring... yet... i want to watch xD i think the ending sums up what i think about during watching it, have i said yet that shining hearts should be hentai? well now i did and it really should be... On April 30 2012 20:20 iky43210 wrote: Only if xi > 0my taste > your taste. I'm glad we settled that | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
No one is going to deny that it's popular, but I doubt anyone really thinks too hard about Code Geass and it's just the wave of excitement and entertainment that you get from the show that gives the show it's high ratings. Oh, and Kallen. And for some reason people like Ledouche too, which I don't get. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 30 2012 20:35 Zergneedsfood wrote: 'Cause his name is classy as fuck. Oh, and Kallen. And for some reason people like Ledouche too, which I don't get. I dropped CG so hard but I still like Lelouch simply because of his ridiculously classy name. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
So, ABK0048: + Show Spoiler + For some reason I was entertained by this. Fuck logic, I'll watch it. I wonder what happened to the fourth girl that was in the beginning though. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Ill go first. On November 25 2011 04:04 Ferrose wrote: Oh my God you people need to get over yourselves. You "intellectual anime viewers" sicken me. Not being able to enjoy good shows becuase it's "a slap in the face to my intellegence as a learned anime viewer" is the most pretentious and ridiculous thing I've ever read. | ||
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