EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 1851
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Sentenal
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 13 2012 16:26 Southlight wrote: Licences only work in their individual countries - not sure if the EU works differently but that's why you generally see IPBlocks for MMOs and such. China and Southeast Asia in general have a tendency to not give a shit about copyright/licenses (bootleg heaven, flat-out ripping off of ideas, etc.) Its the same in the rest of Asia, intellectual property unless its something really really big is rare to keep out of being stolen. Youll notice alot of music and such will quite literally have the entire beat copied of and then repeated to the lyrics of another language and no will really care. Heck they do that with western cinema and music to. Take the entire plot of a Hollywood movie and then make a local albiet terrible version of it. But this is really really small time cash for the people who are having their stuff stolen and not worth anyones effort to go after them for it. Thing is they eventually get more and more brazen with what they get away with over the years and again Govts have so much other shit to worry about entertainment and laws related to it are the last thing they want to deal with. Point being even if you did have a license that did cover places like these it wouldnt be worth your effort as a distributor given the logistics so you just ignore it. Worlds a big place. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
And I have seen plenty of credits pages on MF and if the scanlators then still whine about MF then it has to be about money after all. But ofcourse everybody is trying to deny that. The only reason I ever heard why I should use batoto was because they support he scanlators. That batoto also has better quality for the pages never got mentioned. So really I dont blame people for sticking with MF when the only reason to use batoto they'll hear is that the scanlators want more $$. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
But Hypothetically lets say the scanlator asks MF to remove it, maybe they would like to make some money since it takes time out of stuff they have to do otherwise and its a pretty good motivator, credit is nice and all but if your grinding out stuff all the time it can be wearisome. Not everyone is so altruistic, and its impractical to assume they can be. Thats something the staff can do right, take it off? The legality aside some of them may just say whatever fuck it and then you might lose some stuff here or there. Again its clearly not a big enough problem for it to bother anyone, but it doesnt change the fact that its still a problem. Heck some of them might even speed up releases which wouldnt hurt anyone.either. | ||
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Skilledblob
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SkelA
Macedonia13063 Posts
Even if you dont care about supporting scanlators still Batoto is a better choice than Mangafox. Everything is better at Batoto. They support scanlators, Batoto got HQ pages and Mangafox got small LQ pages, if you got an account you can follow your favorite manga for easier viewing. The only downside is that Batoto got smaller database because its new and doesnt upload Mangastream (again following mangastream rules) content which i was getting at Mangastream anyway and doesnt permit borderline hentai series like Nozoki ana, Nana to Karou and similar to those which is not hard to find them elsewhere. My mangalist is close to 200 and there is less than 5 manga that i cant find on Batoto. | ||
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Ryndika
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On February 13 2012 18:54 SkelA wrote: I dont give a damn about money because they are not getting money from me either way. I'm using addblock and probably 90% of the internet and never get any advertisments when i read manga. Don't you have to click the commercial on website so the commercial company pays? It's pay per click. I have no idea about streams tho. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
What it boils down to though is that these groups are wanting ad and donation revenue illegally, and bitching about a file hosting company that's generating ad revenue by disseminating their work. But really that's a dumb thing to complain about because they shouldn't be generating ad revenue to begin with as a translation group. So as Sent said, they're crying about thieves stealing their stolen shit. It's beyond retarded. If their goal was genuinely to get their manga read more (ie. what I mentioned in my rant a page ago) then they would embrace MF, as a central portal from which lazier readers are more likely to read the shit they produced, and maybe even find out about their group. Clearly that's not the case though. As I've mentioned time and again, most people that do these things do it purely out of ego; they just try to make it out sound like they're some philanthropic peoples, which is a laughable hypocrisy. | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
It doesnt matter if Scanlator A is happy with just credit and glad that MF is spreading there work, kudos to them. But if Scanlator B is the only one that does a manga I want to read and they stop doing it because MF (or anything else really, its just an example) redistributes their stuff without consent then I dont really care wether they are within their rights to complain or not, legally, morally whateverly. The only reason they need to be hypocritical anyway is because theres such a stigma over intellectual property. But again like Necro said that falls in the debate over wether its actually even illegal or not, and Ive already taken the line that it doesnt really matter even if it is. So thats pretty irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, if they stop in that scenario Im the one that gets fucked. Scanlator never gave much of a shit to begin with now his motivations gone, the hoster didnt really have anything to begin with. Now Im sitting here with the option of a pocket dictionary and raws or to just drop it. Its trivial but Im sure alot of people have been annoyed when its happened. Its easy for people who can read japanese to say "k thnx bye" but its incredibly frustrating for someone who cant or has to use a dictionary every other kanji and really would like to follow a series(and please no griping about learning the language, thats a lazy arguement and really not everyone can go around learning jap) So they could be evilest bastards for all I care, if something isnt availabe and they are providing it then I dont even mind paying if its a reasonable (I donate 5-10 every month and write it of as a pack of ciggs) or have me click a few adds here or there Im fine with it, rather Im grateful. But maybe thats just a difference born of me not having grown up paying 60 dollars a game and just the culture of redistributed stuff being the only way to get things. Either way thats how most of the world sees it Im sure theres a different set of sensibilities that exist outside the US and Northern Europe. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Specifically, you didn't need to write a long rant that can be summed up as "I don't like MF discouraging scanslators because then I can't pirate it anymore." Good for you. Suffice it to say, no one cares because that opinion is rather worthless. Pirates don't have a voice, because what they do is illegal. I pirate. I don't bitch about my pirating being taken away. The point you missed is at MF is basically a fileshare site. What if a scanslator group said they were going to stop scanslating because people were uploading their shit to MegaUpload? You'd laugh at them, because it's a pathetic, whiny excuse for attention-whoring, and a display of complete and utter delusion over their own self worth. Now, does it suck if a relatively obscure/unpopular manga stops getting translated because some people are incredibly insecure and feel anguished over their personal glory (being their generally terrible stock WordPress site) being ignored? Yeah, sure. But it doesn't suddenly make the bitching less pathetic. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:29 Southlight wrote: ^ you completely missed the point. edit: No I pretty much got that. I already agreed that they may be pathetic, terrible and whatever derogatory superlatives you can add. It doesnt matter because otherwise no one outside the Japanese speaking community gets it. As for the obscurity of it, it was already established that its a very trivial thing. Unlikely as it is should it become a bigger deal who do you think people are going to hop to ? Not the filesharing site. Not when the alternative is free. Fair enough its worthless to you, its not worthless to me. Its being pirated because there is no alternative. If there is one then yea sure its unreasonable to complain. Sum it up as you will. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:34 Rebs wrote: edit: No I pretty much got that. Fair enough its worthless to you, its not worthless to me. Its being pirated because there is no alternative. If there is one then yea sure its unreasonable to complain. No, you're missing the point because you're attempting to argue about the "right"-ness of pirating. That's what I'm saying is worthless. If scanslators are legitimately bringing up pirating as their main issue with MF, yeah, they can all go suck a monkey. My (our) point is that scanslators are being whiny retards because they're essentially crying over a more user-friendly MegaUpload, except unlike MegaUpload MF gives due credit. The irony? Many of these scanslators USED such services as MegaUpload in the first place! And you know you can search on MegaUpload for these files, circumventing the site entirely? Where were the outcries then? There were none, because they had the control (to a very limited extent), and are delusional over how much they actually matter. Like I said, if they weren't just being egotistical wankers they'd embrace MF because it gives their stuff more exposure. But they're crying. WHY? Think about that for a second. Considering that THAT is what we were discussing, your opinion on pirating is completely and utterly irrelevant, almost to the tune of how much MF should really give a shit about scanslators' opinions. If anything MF should be afraid of being sued for copyright infringement, because anyone generating revenue off of these things isn't liable to just a C&D, they're actually setting themselves up for a lawsuit they will absolutely lose. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 14 2012 01:44 Southlight wrote: Considering that THAT is what we were discussing, your opinion on pirating is completely and utterly irrelevant, almost to the tune of how much MF should really give a shit about scanslators' opinions. What ? Did you miss this? On February 13 2012 18:02 Rebs wrote: Well yeah, that doesnt make MF the gulity party for hosting it without consent. But Hypothetically lets say the scanlator asks MF to remove it or this On February 14 2012 01:26 Rebs wrote: Theres no point in going over what you are allowed or not allowed to do as far as the law is concerned as I said already. Lets just resolve that everyone is already in the realm of illegality, piracy whatever. I already changed where it was going provided you were responding to what me and skilled were talking about. I also already agree with what you are saying. I just pushed something else to think about. That discussion was as far as Im concerned over. I dont see why you need to repeat everything over and over, I get it. Im talking about something else and you shouldve just ignored it if you didnt like it. Since I did repeatedly disclaimer that it was completely trivial and very unlikely. And your missing the point, Im not arguing the rightness of pirating. Im arguing that within the realm of piracy there are different scenarios you can get stuck with. You can ignore wether its right or wrong or did I not already say that ? Just treat it as a reality atleast for what I was talking about. Hence the you know, hypothetical. Granted I mixed in some things that do happen but the overall scenario was still just something that "might happen" and thats how Id deal with it and quite frankly so would most people. And the reason I raise this is because in alot of cases 'piracy' is quite literally the only access to the product. edit : Seems like we are talking about different things. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
AKB49 -35 + Show Spoiler + hehehe Minoru is pretty cool guy making that kind of entrance =P | ||
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tonight
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:21 tonight wrote: Hey guys, anime is neat I agree with this sentiment. | ||
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