EPTOn February 14 2012 02:21 tonight wrote:
Hey guys, anime is neat
Hey guys, anime is neat
anime is pretty cool.
Anime Discussion Thread - Page 1852
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
anime is pretty cool. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:21 tonight wrote: Hey guys, anime is neat could use some destructible rocks tho. | ||
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Hirosh
Germany267 Posts
since mangastream.com(always among the first to release new chapters/site very clear) is no longer featuring Jump, I wonder what other sites are out there that you can recommend? | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:46 Hirosh wrote: Hey guys, since mangastream.com(always among the first to release new chapters/site well defined) is no longer featuring Jump, I wonder what other sites are out there that you can recommend? batoto.com mangareader.net generally speaking you can find everything on those two sites. If not you can take a look at mangafox.com too | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 13 2012 16:26 Southlight wrote: Licences only work in their individual countries - not sure if the EU works differently but that's why you generally see IPBlocks for MMOs and such. China and Southeast Asia in general have a tendency to not give a shit about copyright/licenses (bootleg heaven, flat-out ripping off of ideas, etc.) Okay, then lets go back to the arguments that Necrophantasia was making. His argument is that he only scanlates unlicensed manga, because he feels doing that is legal. Lets just leave aside whether or not this is true. But he feels that when it is licensed in the west, he must remove his work, because otherwise it is a crime. And Mangafox will not do this, therefore making him an "accomplice". Using this same line of reasoning, Mangafox is located in China. Someone holding a license in America does not mean they have a license for it in China. So, therefore if you believe it is okay to scanlate and release material in countries where the manga is not licensed (America), the how can you believe you are being made an accomplice to crime when its hosted in a country without a license (China)? I don't think this line of reasoning holds water. If its okay to scanlate and release manga while its un-licensed in America, why is it not okay to scanlate and release manga in China? The only other reason he listed that he has against MF is that they make ad revenue off it, and I think thats a pretty bad complaint that doesn't really need to be addressed. Note that I don't actually think its legal to scanlate manga in unlicensed countries. Just making a point here. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13077 Posts
Once again its not about money because a single scanlator site can get just a few $$ per month if you want to profit from ads reading a few series they translate. Its mostly about respect and just some ppl got huge egos and get buthurt because they are not repsected AND someone makes profit from them at the same time. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:14 SkelA wrote: Noone is saying MF cant get ad revenue from all scanlators manga. MF just need to respect for one single rule to delay adding the manga for 24 hours but I guess thats too hard to do nowadays. Once again its not about money because a single scanlator site can get just a few $$ per month if you want to profit from ads reading a few series they translate. Its mostly about respect and just some ppl got huge egos and get buthurt because they are not repsected AND someone makes profit from them at the same time. Whats a point in the 24 hour rule? That sounds completely arbitrary. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
As per international copyright laws that license is theoretically observed by all countries. The publisher, then, may sell the license to other companies on a limited basis - this is why translations of works are rarely done, because the license fee plus the work fee doesn't always match up to the revenue stream. Without purchasing a license from the publisher, you cannot do shit. This is why people scanslating under the pretense they are doing it legally are nutjobs. It's illegal. It has always been illegal. The flipside is that you can circumvent copyright laws by claiming that your work is homage. For instance, parodies (hence why doujinshi are allowed), and at its core, that's what scanslations and fansubs are. People say they "take down" fan-done localizations once something has been officially licensed "out of courtesy" (because you're infringing on market share) but the reality is that this is actually done because if you keep it up you're gonna get sued. It's not more or less legal, it's just that a local company that has paid for licensing fees is more likely to sue the shit out of you because they have financial interests, as opposed to Japanese publishing companies who, currently, don't give a shit about the rest of the world. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:44 Southlight wrote: Sent, the license belongs to the publisher, and depending on the type of contract, the mangaka, although I'd imagine like the states the creator never has much of a license once it has been turned over to the publisher (hence why merchandising is done by the publisher to the publisher's profit, and the creator tends to get 0 or very little of that sum). As per international copyright laws that license is theoretically observed by all countries. The publisher, then, may sell the license to other companies on a limited basis - this is why translations of works are rarely done, because the license fee plus the work fee doesn't always match up to the revenue stream. Without purchasing a license from the publisher, you cannot do shit. This is why people scanslating under the pretense they are doing it legally are nutjobs. It's illegal. It has always been illegal. The flipside is that you can circumvent copyright laws by claiming that your work is homage. For instance, parodies (hence why doujinshi are allowed), and at its core, that's what scanslations and fansubs are. People say they "take down" fan-done localizations once something has been officially licensed "out of courtesy" (because you're infringing on market share) but the reality is that this is actually done because if you keep it up you're gonna get sued. It's not more or less legal, it's just that a local company that has paid for licensing fees is more likely to sue the shit out of you because they have financial interests, as opposed to Japanese publishing companies who, currently, don't give a shit about the rest of the world. Yes, I know that. But Necrophantasia seems to think that its legal when its not licensed. I was just trying to demonstrate why he shouldn't bitch at MF, using his own line of reasoning. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:21 Necrophantasia wrote: What does piss me off is that mangafox has taken the work provided to the community out of goodwill and gone ahead and turned it into an act of piracy. And now I am accessory to their deeds because I translated it. ... Sad thing is, as a scanlator the only thing I ask for in return is perhaps few eyeballs on my twitter feed or blog or group website. Mangafox won't even give me that. Specifically, he should stop dancing around the edges acting like he's on a moral highground and cut to the chase: What he's doing is illegal, but at least if they get a C&D he can take it down. When MF puts it up, if HE gets a C&D, he can't do anything about it, so he'll get boned. However... Realistically if they go after MF he won't really see flak, the same way that people who uploaded stuff to MU and such (they labeled their files, easily traceable) weren't actually affected by the MU takedown. If MF were ever to be taken down, the likelihood of the embers coming back to them isn't very high. And if people actually gave a shit about his group (usually they don't) MF keeps the credit pages and shit. They can see it. But this is no different than IRC channels that have distro bots that accumulate manga/anime releases. Go hunt them down too. Go hunt down fileshare sites that also upload this shit and have search-engine optimization: you know, if I want to get a manga chapter, I can honestly google <title> <chapter> <download> and I can get a fileshare link, completely circumventing your e-peen website? *eyeroll* Edit: the above because someone somewhere will have uploaded it to a fileshare site. for a forum they frequent. Edit2: Blaming MF for this is also retarded. Honestly, if they want to sue you, you're probably not gonna be able to get away from it, because they don't need to rely on MF to get the chapters. They can go to fileshare, they can go to IRC, whatever. At the point you uploaded your shit to the internet you already committed an act of piracy. It's just a matter of how much the companies care, and currently, they don't really. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
Off topic: Why you should watch Hanasaku Iroha. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:25 Emnjay808 wrote: Nice discussion we got going here. I took Business 130 before--dropped it in 2 weeks.. Off topic: Why you should watch Hanasaku Iroha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjqqLZMwkrM Haha, someone would be so disappointed if they expected the show to be like that "trailer" | ||
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AHotDonut
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EDIT: Ok I don't suggestions now, I got my five: The MC from Saya no Uta, Homura from Madoka, Tomoya from Clannad, Yuki from Mirai Nikki, and that girl who forgets the day before from ef-AFToT (which I ironically have forgotten the name of) | ||
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tonight
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AHotDonut
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:53 AHotDonut wrote: Well we are reading Oedipus so it has to be that kind of tragic. The character has to have some terrible situation pushed upon them. you mean like incest with the mother? BEcause I can point you to a site with lots of manga like that. | ||
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solidbebe
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:46 AHotDonut wrote: Ok TLADT, please help me with my english homework. I need to list 5 tragic characters and what happened to them. I decided to use anime and manga characters so I knew this is a good place to ask. What are your favorite tragic characters and why. Btw I'm already doing the main character from Saya no Uta and Homura from Madoka. Am I allowed to spoiler parts of Legend of the Galactic Heroes in doing this? I can think of several out of that series alone that would be extremely good for something like that, but I also know that alot of people haven't watched it, and they are major spoilers. On February 14 2012 07:01 solidbebe wrote: I really get the feeling this thread is like 14 different conversations going off and on... Welcome to General Discussion threads. | ||
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AHotDonut
45 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:59 Skilledblob wrote: you mean like incest with the mother? BEcause I can point you to a site with lots of manga like that. No... I mean like how Homura + Show Spoiler + has to go back in time to try and save Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi and fails each time, so she has to repeat the process which actually makes the problem worse, when all she really wants to do is be happy with her friend. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:07 AHotDonut wrote: No... I mean like how Homura + Show Spoiler + has to go back in time to try and save Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi and fails each time, so she has to repeat the process which actually makes the problem worse, when all she really wants to do is be happy with her friend. If you are reading Greek tragedies and using the classics as the definition for tragedy, then I wouldn't suggest using anime characters for them. Keep in mind that a major part of the classical tragedies lies in the fact that the characters know that it is coming but succumbs anyway because of character flaws and being hated by deities. In the case of Homura, her circumstance is very much so one that she has control over; at the very least the settings for Madoka were not constructed well enough that we can argue that she has in fact done everything that she could because of the amount of potential loopholes that she has. In general, anime tragedies won't fall under the classical definition simply because they are more dramatic tearjerkers. I guess I'll try to think in a bit about some things that I feel like would fit the bill properly, but yeah... Unless this is for HS, then anything goes. EDIT - Amusingly enough LoGH would work pretty well. | ||
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