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On February 13 2012 08:07 MichaelEU wrote:That's a shit post. They give the right answers to their own imagined problems.
Maybe so, but their stance of not expecting anything for what they do and not caring what people do with their work is far better than whining about their pirated works being pirated. I'll admit I don't know what the *real* problems are, but it seems ridiculous to me to be so upset about sites like MF that you have to put obnoxious watermarks that prevent anyone from reading it unless they go to your site.
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On February 13 2012 08:18 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:07 MichaelEU wrote:That's a shit post. They give the right answers to their own imagined problems. Maybe so, but their stance of not expecting anything for what they do and not caring what people do with their work is far better than whining about their pirated works being pirated. I'll admit I don't know what the *real* problems are, but it seems ridiculous to me to be so upset about sites like MF that you have to put obnoxious watermarks that prevent anyone from reading it unless they go to your site.
I agree, you can absolutely not put rules on your releases. Which is why the extent of my labour goes to spreading knowledge of sites I disagree with.
But it gets pretty tiring after a while.
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On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating them. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience?
Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Its all fun, new and exciting before that.Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already.
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On February 13 2012 08:37 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating them. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience? Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already.
I can go on Mangafox, and find scanlations for almost any manga I want, on the same site. How is that not convenience? Its the exact same shit as anime-streaming sites.
It is absolutely retarded to steal someone's work, and then get mad that someone else is stealing your stolen work. I've scanlated before, and it doesn't bother me. If you want to trivialize the small amount I've done, feel free, but I still don't care if someone makes a profit off that. Generating a profit was never even a thought when we were doing it, since scanlating should be a charity job. If scanlator groups want to make money off what they do, then maybe they should try and get a job at VIZ. As long as they are providing an illegal product, they are just going to get laughed at when they feel they are getting "shafted". Again, Fansubbers get by just fine with donations, why can't scanlators? Its stupid to see them steal from the mangaka, and then demand money for it.
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znf is totally Takemoto
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On February 13 2012 10:32 Southlight wrote:znf is totally Takemoto
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On February 13 2012 08:47 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:37 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating thel. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience? Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already. I can go on Mangafox, and find scanlations for almost any manga I want, on the same site. How is that not convenience? Its the exact same shit as anime-streaming sites. It is absolutely retarded to steal someone's work, and then get mad that someone else is stealing your stolen work. I've scanlated before, and it doesn't bother me. If you want to trivialize the small amount I've done, feel free, but I still don't care if someone makes a profit off that. Generating a profit was never even a thought when we were doing it, since scanlating should be a charity job. If scanlator groups want to make money off what they do, then maybe they should try and get a job at VIZ. As long as they are providing an illegal product, they are just going to get laughed at when they feel they are getting "shafted". Again, Fansubbers get by just fine with donations, why can't scanlators? Its stupid to see them steal from the mangaka, and then demand money for it.
I'm a scanlator and mangafox enrages me to no end.
I don't care about profit or ¥¥. Hell I don't own the manga to begin with and I run on a legal grey area to begin with.
What does piss me off is that mangafox has taken the work provided to the community out of goodwill and gone ahead and turned it into an act of piracy. And now I am accessory to their deeds because I translated it.
Mangafox doesn't even listen to scanlator requests at this point to remove their manga.
Sad thing is, as a scanlator the only thing I ask for in return is perhaps few eyeballs on my twitter feed or blog or group website. Mangafox won't even give me that.
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Since you guys are so adamant about not using mangafox and that I'm starting to see your anger, I will no longer be using mangafox. Is mangareader better? It'll take me a long time to move my inspirational bookmarks folder though. Maybe I should just transfer them...
Ugh, can't get Katawa Shoujo off of my mind. I guess I'll do homework instead to focus my mind.
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On February 13 2012 11:54 Blasterion wrote:
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What series are these from if you don't mind me asking?
On February 13 2012 12:31 NationInArms wrote:
Since you guys are so adamant about not using mangafox and that I'm starting to see your anger, I will no longer be using mangafox. Is mangareader better? It'll take me a long time to move my inspirational bookmarks folder though. Maybe I should just transfer them...
Ugh, can't get Katawa Shoujo off of my mind. I guess I'll do homework instead to focus my mind.
From what I can tell (and I'm not an expert on the matter, be aware) MR is much better than MF about properly crediting the scanlators/translators, keeping a good record, and the site is just easier to maneuver around for the most part. I like Mangareader better, but I go to Mangafox from time to time if I can't find a series on the former.
Also, I finally got 2 of my friends to play KS, they seem to be enjoying it. I still need to finish Rin's route.... and the bad endings, but that part I'm not looking forward to 
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On February 13 2012 12:31 NationInArms wrote:
Since you guys are so adamant about not using mangafox and that I'm starting to see your anger, I will no longer be using mangafox. Is mangareader better? It'll take me a long time to move my inspirational bookmarks folder though. Maybe I should just transfer them...
Ugh, can't get Katawa Shoujo off of my mind. I guess I'll do homework instead to focus my mind.
I never knew Mangafox was like this. I guess I will try to not use it if possible now that I have learned about this. I never knew something like this was such a big issue. So Batoto it is then?
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On February 13 2012 12:21 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:47 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 08:37 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating thel. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience? Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already. I can go on Mangafox, and find scanlations for almost any manga I want, on the same site. How is that not convenience? Its the exact same shit as anime-streaming sites. It is absolutely retarded to steal someone's work, and then get mad that someone else is stealing your stolen work. I've scanlated before, and it doesn't bother me. If you want to trivialize the small amount I've done, feel free, but I still don't care if someone makes a profit off that. Generating a profit was never even a thought when we were doing it, since scanlating should be a charity job. If scanlator groups want to make money off what they do, then maybe they should try and get a job at VIZ. As long as they are providing an illegal product, they are just going to get laughed at when they feel they are getting "shafted". Again, Fansubbers get by just fine with donations, why can't scanlators? Its stupid to see them steal from the mangaka, and then demand money for it. I'm a scanlator and mangafox enrages me to no end. I don't care about profit or ¥¥. Hell I don't own the manga to begin with and I run on a legal grey area to begin with. What does piss me off is that mangafox has taken the work provided to the community out of goodwill and gone ahead and turned it into an act of piracy. And now I am accessory to their deeds because I translated it. Mangafox doesn't even listen to scanlator requests at this point to remove their manga. Sad thing is, as a scanlator the only thing I ask for in return is perhaps few eyeballs on my twitter feed or blog or group website. Mangafox won't even give me that.
Taken a work provided to the community out of goodwill, and turned it into an act of piracy...? What do you mean? The only difference between a manga being hosted on Mangafox or a group's website is where its hosted at (and I guess who makes $$$ of it, due to where its being hosted). How is it only piracy when Mangafox does it? When you do your scanlations, do you not release them to the public? Also, isn't it common practice for scanlation groups to add in a credits page somewhere? I know I've seen those on Mangafox, so why isn't that good enough?
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On February 13 2012 13:09 Requizen wrote:What series are these from if you don't mind me asking? Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:31 NationInArms wrote:
Since you guys are so adamant about not using mangafox and that I'm starting to see your anger, I will no longer be using mangafox. Is mangareader better? It'll take me a long time to move my inspirational bookmarks folder though. Maybe I should just transfer them...
Ugh, can't get Katawa Shoujo off of my mind. I guess I'll do homework instead to focus my mind. From what I can tell (and I'm not an expert on the matter, be aware) MR is much better than MF about properly crediting the scanlators/translators, keeping a good record, and the site is just easier to maneuver around for the most part. I like Mangareader better, but I go to Mangafox from time to time if I can't find a series on the former. Also, I finally got 2 of my friends to play KS, they seem to be enjoying it. I still need to finish Rin's route.... and the bad endings, but that part I'm not looking forward to
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/maoyuu_maou_yuusha_kono_watashi_no_mono_tonare_yuusha_yo_kotowaru/
Best Economy Series since Spice and Wolf.
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On February 13 2012 08:47 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:37 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating them. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience? Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already. I can go on Mangafox, and find scanlations for almost any manga I want, on the same site. How is that not convenience? Its the exact same shit as anime-streaming sites. It is absolutely retarded to steal someone's work, and then get mad that someone else is stealing your stolen work. I've scanlated before, and it doesn't bother me. If you want to trivialize the small amount I've done, feel free, but I still don't care if someone makes a profit off that. Generating a profit was never even a thought when we were doing it, since scanlating should be a charity job. If scanlator groups want to make money off what they do, then maybe they should try and get a job at VIZ. As long as they are providing an illegal product, they are just going to get laughed at when they feel they are getting "shafted". Again, Fansubbers get by just fine with donations, why can't scanlators? Its stupid to see them steal from the mangaka, and then demand money for it.
Alright lets suppose it is a charity effort. You dont want money, is it ok that someone else takes the charity work that you do and starts making money with it ?
Yea exactly.
Again lets be clear, I use mangafox myself and I dont really care, nor am I really going to stop unless all of a sudden scans just stop coming out or something. Its not my problem really till then. But I wont sit on a highhorse and tell you its ok.
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On February 13 2012 13:40 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 08:47 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 08:37 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:49 SkelA wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. I dont think they are mad because they are not compesating them. Most scanlator sites use a 24 hour delay period for sites like Mangafox for their releases but they never respect that and thats why everyone shits on Mangafox and Mangahere ( both owned by some chinese company i think ) In a way its about money but mostly they wanna popularize Batoto and their own sites for ppl to read manga instead of Mangafox who are making huge profits from everyone for no work and cant even respect a single rule to delay uploading manga for 24 hours. So I don't get it, whats the point in having a 24 hour delay? Wanting to popularize Batoto is about money, right? Wanting people to read it in their own site is also about money. Sounds to me like the pirates are mad that they are getting pirated. Although, granted, I know next to nothing about this issue. Seems like it would be the same deal as anime-streaming sites and Fansubbers, and who cares about that? On February 13 2012 07:52 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 07:45 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 07:25 Rebs wrote:On February 13 2012 06:59 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2012 06:26 MichaelEU wrote:
I'm still a bit leery of Batoto. Yes, it means money flows to the scanlator instead of the aggregator, but even the scanlator isn't holy. In general, I would like some transparency from scanlators. The donation button set a clear goal per month and clearly showed when that goal was achieved.
Please avoid using Mangafox, if you can. Why avoid Mangafox? Because they take shit of the scanlators without compensating them, Red Hawk for example pretty much puts a warning notice at the start of every scan because they have their own hosting and with mangafox just brazenly taking whatever they find and putting it on the site it sucks for the guy who actually did the work and wants to put it on his. Without compensating them? So basically, don't use Mangafox because they steal an already stolen work from scanlators? How does that make sense? Isn't it the same thing with anime-streaming websites? Should people never use them as well? Im not saying dont use it, I use mangafox I honestly dont care. Thats the logic they present anyway, they want to promote themselves, maybe what Skeia is saying is more accurate Im not privy to that rule, its just of the warning messages they publish on their scans (that ironically appear on mangafox). As for the compensations thats really what I mean, if you want to host it asap then you pay up otherwise delay the release so the host site gets the hits first. Also anime streaming website's offer a convenience, thats an additional service, they are doing "something" to make anime more accessible. For people who cant use torrents or are for whatever reason unable to DDL stuff streaming is actually useful. Thats not quite the same thing. They are actively saying we do more than them to bring you this and we offer the same service come to us. Its not to much to ask in retrospect. How are sites like Mangafox not offering a convenience? Because the same service is already being provided by the guy who did the work. Look use it as much as you want Im just saying if I worked on something and got shafted Id be upset so I can understand how they feel. Doesnt mean Im going to do it. And theres a difference between randomly cleaning a series or 2 and doing a job consistently over a long period of time. Long term volunteering is hard work. Try it and then use the "I did it so it dont work arguement" when you actually start getting tired of it. Cleaning is hard work but you probably know that already. I can go on Mangafox, and find scanlations for almost any manga I want, on the same site. How is that not convenience? Its the exact same shit as anime-streaming sites. It is absolutely retarded to steal someone's work, and then get mad that someone else is stealing your stolen work. I've scanlated before, and it doesn't bother me. If you want to trivialize the small amount I've done, feel free, but I still don't care if someone makes a profit off that. Generating a profit was never even a thought when we were doing it, since scanlating should be a charity job. If scanlator groups want to make money off what they do, then maybe they should try and get a job at VIZ. As long as they are providing an illegal product, they are just going to get laughed at when they feel they are getting "shafted". Again, Fansubbers get by just fine with donations, why can't scanlators? Its stupid to see them steal from the mangaka, and then demand money for it. Alright lets suppose it is a charity effort. You dont want money, is it ok that someone else takes the charity work that you do and starts making money with it ? Yea exactly. Again lets be clear, I use mangafox myself and I dont really care, nor am I really going to stop unless all of a sudden scans just stop coming out or something. Its not my problem really till then. But I wont sit on a highhorse and tell you its ok.
You are missing a very basic point that I'm making. Scanlators themselves are putting out an illegal product. Scanlators are getting mad at someone for stealing their illegal product. Is it okay for Mangafox to make money off it? No. Is it okay for Scanlators to make money off it, or even do what they do in the first place? Again, no. Scanlations like that are illegal regardless of who makes money off it. The entire point I'm making is neither side in this "drama" has a moral high-ground, and its just two sets of thieves getting mad at each other, which is ridiculous.
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I don't scanslate anymore but if I did, I'd be quite appreciative of M-F for making the manga more widespread while lessening server load. It's not like they're stealing credit.
I don't even give a shit if someone takes my novel translations and hosts them elsewhere as long as I get due credit. Honestly, more people reading it simply gives me more motivation - one of the problems I have with novel translations is that aside from B-T (where the bureaucracy ended up being too much of a hassle), the only method of getting my stuff out there is through Mazui-Subs. If someone else that's big wants to re-host it, by all means, as long as I still retain credit!
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On February 13 2012 14:48 Southlight wrote:
I don't scanslate anymore but if I did, I'd be quite appreciative of M-F for making the manga more widespread while lessening server load. It's not like they're stealing credit.
I don't even give a shit if someone takes my novel translations and hosts them elsewhere as long as I get due credit. Honestly, more people reading it simply gives me more motivation - one of the problems I have with novel translations is that aside from B-T (where the bureaucracy ended up being too much of a hassle), the only method of getting my stuff out there is through Mazui-Subs. If someone else that's big wants to re-host it, by all means, as long as I still retain credit!
Then we remember the two of us laughing at Kaal's offer for you to translate some LN series...hantsuki I think, and offered like $50. We were just like yeah fuck no, not worth the effort.
I guess if scanlators expect some return in $ then that's that, people don't give as much of a fuck when it is purely hobby w/ no time constraints or deadlines.
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I would debate whether scanlations themselves are illegal.
But either way, as a scanlator I don't seek any monetary gain for my work. And although you could argue my work was stolen to begin with, I brought spice and wolf, Kannagi, k-on, Hayate no gotoku, nozoki ana, sora no otoshimono, necrophilia, kikai shoujo, and a bunch of other series to people who would otherwise have no chance to read them.
I havent gotten much in the way of credit nor do I really want any. I was really surprised when someone here recognized my name.
But I certainly believe its within my rights to complain about what mangafox is doing. I provide manga to people who can't read it. I don't distribute manga that has a license holder in the west. Ive never made a cent doing what I do. I do it because I want to let others read it. Mangafox takes my work and makes $$ off of it. On top of that, they dont remove licensed stuff Now all of a sudden I am an accomplice to this wholesale theft. YES. that makes me mad.
Go ahead. Call us scanlators thieves. I suppose it's better if we all quit. Everyone would be happier that way.
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On February 13 2012 15:06 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:48 Southlight wrote:
I don't scanslate anymore but if I did, I'd be quite appreciative of M-F for making the manga more widespread while lessening server load. It's not like they're stealing credit.
I don't even give a shit if someone takes my novel translations and hosts them elsewhere as long as I get due credit. Honestly, more people reading it simply gives me more motivation - one of the problems I have with novel translations is that aside from B-T (where the bureaucracy ended up being too much of a hassle), the only method of getting my stuff out there is through Mazui-Subs. If someone else that's big wants to re-host it, by all means, as long as I still retain credit! Then we remember the two of us laughing at Kaal's offer for you to translate some LN series...hantsuki I think, and offered like $50. We were just like yeah fuck no, not worth the effort. I guess if scanlators expect some return in $ then that's that, people don't give as much of a fuck when it is purely hobby w/ no time constraints or deadlines.
I turned it down not because of the money but because I'm just simply not interested in the series, heh. I actually regret starting Rikka because so much of it is written in a very amateur-ish way, but I've gone too far in (1/3 done) to just quit on it, I think. We'll see, I quit on Mimizuku halfway through even though it's one of my favorite LNs. I shouldn't whimsically pick up a novel to translate over a novel I know is good (Kimi no Tame no Monogatari)...
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