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On May 24 2014 14:43 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Im wondering though since you guys are discussing it, wouldn't Kyros (Mr. Soldier) be a more likely temporary member than Rebecca?
The way I see it, he could want to join the crew to help them rid the world of the evils that haunt WG and the Shibukai they create. And maybe he would be a convenient temp before Jimbei actually joins. I wouldn't say he is equal in terms of fighting ability but he is a good fighter nonetheless.
He has fighting ability, he doesn't currently have a DF which he could gain later on if you want to look at it like the numbers theory for members of the SH crew and he technically has motivation and can fight (unlike Rebecca who cowers in the corner eventhough she has the training).
King Riku is still alive to replace DD if he is overthrown, and Rebecca serves as the heir apparent so it would be unwise to put her in harms way just for the sake of adding a member.
Kyros on the other hand is a battle hardened fighter who has no place in the castle/politics.
That's for me. Unless Jimbei shows up before they leave the island, I am expecting Kyros to want to join SH crew to help in their travels, as long as Luffy accepts him, which I think he could do.
impossible hes too fiercly loyal to Riku and Dressrossa hed never leave
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On May 24 2014 14:43 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Im wondering though since you guys are discussing it, wouldn't Kyros (Mr. Soldier) be a more likely temporary member than Rebecca?
The way I see it, he could want to join the crew to help them rid the world of the evils that haunt WG and the Shibukai they create. And maybe he would be a convenient temp before Jimbei actually joins. I wouldn't say he is equal in terms of fighting ability but he is a good fighter nonetheless.
He has fighting ability, he doesn't currently have a DF which he could gain later on if you want to look at it like the numbers theory for members of the SH crew and he technically has motivation and can fight (unlike Rebecca who cowers in the corner eventhough she has the training).
King Riku is still alive to replace DD if he is overthrown, and Rebecca serves as the heir apparent so it would be unwise to put her in harms way just for the sake of adding a member.
Kyros on the other hand is a battle hardened fighter who has no place in the castle/politics.
That's for me. Unless Jimbei shows up before they leave the island, I am expecting Kyros to want to join SH crew to help in their travels, as long as Luffy accepts him, which I think he could do.
Except that she is rebecca's father and they didn't spend quality time together if we don't count his days as mister toy.
But yeah surprisingly this hasn't been discussed much but even if i want rebecca on the SH crew Kyros is a better fit than rebecca but he would overlap with zoro's role.
And he has a quirk. He has one foot.
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On May 24 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 13:45 Slaughter wrote:
You can't be serious, as Goody just pointed out yet again she has been fighting for years. She has more combat experience then most people and the will do go out there and face something she doesn't want to do (fight). She has a backbone, maybe she isn't S teir like the monster trio but she isn't fodder and she has been doing this for years. YEARS. To say she is a terrible fighter who has no backbone is highly disingenuous to her character. Apparently you can't have an emotional breakdown? All these things have been coming to a head and it finally all hit her at once. All her years of suffering that was the point of that scene. im not saying shes a bad fighter, thats obviously not true shes a very skilled fighter but her soul is not a fighter and thats the point, Robin saw her mother killed in front of her eyes and didnt give up, Robin saw her whole island BURNED TO THE GROUND and didnt give up both of them fought on alone with no support but Rebecca needed support, she needed the tought love from her dad in order to become strong, strong enough to survive the colloseum, and from what weve seen shes also received support from the other imprisoned gladiators in order to survive she herself, under her own initiative has never created an opportunity she just went along with the flow and not often willingly
No one does everything alone. Luffy wouldn't be half of what he is if he didn't grow up with Ace and Garp force training him. She also entered that tournament against Kyros wishes so you can't say she was only a passive actor that only lived because she was protected and forced around. You are projecting too much passivity onto her character imo.
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On May 24 2014 15:15 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:On May 24 2014 13:45 Slaughter wrote:
You can't be serious, as Goody just pointed out yet again she has been fighting for years. She has more combat experience then most people and the will do go out there and face something she doesn't want to do (fight). She has a backbone, maybe she isn't S teir like the monster trio but she isn't fodder and she has been doing this for years. YEARS. To say she is a terrible fighter who has no backbone is highly disingenuous to her character. Apparently you can't have an emotional breakdown? All these things have been coming to a head and it finally all hit her at once. All her years of suffering that was the point of that scene. im not saying shes a bad fighter, thats obviously not true shes a very skilled fighter but her soul is not a fighter and thats the point, Robin saw her mother killed in front of her eyes and didnt give up, Robin saw her whole island BURNED TO THE GROUND and didnt give up both of them fought on alone with no support but Rebecca needed support, she needed the tought love from her dad in order to become strong, strong enough to survive the colloseum, and from what weve seen shes also received support from the other imprisoned gladiators in order to survive she herself, under her own initiative has never created an opportunity she just went along with the flow and not often willingly No one does everything alone. Luffy wouldn't be half of what he is if he didn't grow up with Ace and Garp force training him. She also entered that tournament against Kyros wishes so you can't say she was only a passive actor that only lived because she was protected and forced around. You are projecting too much passivity onto her character imo.
neither Ace nor Garp "force trained him" he could ahve avoided shanks, he could ahve just stayed in dadans house but he didnt
Toy literally forced Rebecca to get stronger, Luffy got stronger on his own for his own sake
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You clearly aren't remembering some of those flashbacks with Garp where he was literally training him (by throwing him in places like the jungle or a deep hole) and Luffy complaining about "why are you doing this to me" kind of thing.
Ace also drove him to be better. Luffy wouldn't have been motivated as much to get better if Ace wasn't there. Its all about the right conditions. You are also putting too much emphasis on Kyros and his training of Rebecca. She was a kid who lost both her parents and was still in danger so of course it was showed she was reluctant to train, she was a princess before suddenly being forced into the situation. Robin situation is similar but she was alone and also had DF powers. Rebecca and Robin are two different responses to similar problems. Robin became harsh and uncaring about others while Rebecca clearly has a sense of duty and wanting to make things right. She DID enter that tournament and she intended to try for DF life.
You say she doesn't have backbone and she hates fighting but yet she was willing to do what she hates (fight) while being constantly hated on by everyone in order to accomplish her goal. She failed yes which is part of the reason why she had a little breakdown. She was putting everything on the line. The girl has backbone. Her fighting style isn't geared towards directly damaging people and has been compared to Akido. Her fighting style is likely a red flag that she won't be a SH because Oda would have to add in some stuff to it likely. That and her ties to her father and the country are why I don't think she will be a SH.
She is also known as the undefeated woman so yea she has skills, her speed is really good and Luffy thinks she has observation haki.
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You clearly aren't remembering some of those flashbacks with Garp where he was literally training him (by throwing him in places like the jungle or a deep hole) and Luffy complaining about "why are you doing this to me" kind of thing.
but Luffy has still been chasing Shanks before any of that
She was a kid who lost both her parents and was still in danger so of course it was showed she was reluctant to train, she was a princess before suddenly being forced into the situation. Robin situation is similar but she was alone and also had DF powers. Rebecca and Robin are two different responses to similar problems. Robin became harsh and uncaring about others while Rebecca clearly has a sense of duty and wanting to make things right. She DID enter that tournament and she intended to try for DF life.
Robin lost far more then rebecca did, and rebecca only joined the tournament because she was already trapped in the Colloseum and already had skills and probably didnt even really have a choice
the point im trying to make is Rebecca has absolutel;y no sense of adventure shes just an ordinary girl who was forced into the situation she finds herself in
Nami before Arlong was still making maps and reading about the world, Robin was still working on being an archaelogist, Luffy was still chasing Shanks, Usopp was dreaming about going to see, Sanji dreamed of all-blue
each of the members had some life changing event that triggered them going out to see, but all of them would have eventually done it on there own all of them wanted to see the world and were willing to fight for there dreams
but as far as weve seen Rebecca wants nothing more then a peaceful life and is forcing herself to do things in order to try and get there, which is why she breaks down after every failure (like attacking Luffy) because she hates every second of it and has to mentally force herself every second to move forward and as soon as she comes to a stop she cant handle it anymore
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I would say you are changing your argument somewhat there (or at least according to how I am understanding your argument). She also did have a choice as she defied Mr. Solider in signing up for the tournament.
Not being the adventurous type and wanting a quiet life is different from what you were implying in your earlier posts. What you are saying now I do actually agree with (though debatable on Chopper as I don't think he had thought about leaving until the SH arrived). However, they never really focused on what she wanted in life, really just on the tragedy and how that shaped her. I would argue that she hasn't had the chance to express such a luxury feeling as wanting to go off and have adventures from the time we have seen her. I would agree with you however on her likely wanting to just live a quiet life with her family is a very real possibility as she potentially has had enough of the world and its cruelty. Who knows though, she was really warming up to Luffy and his antics.
I would say her breakdown with Luffy was just a way to show that she is a good person (wasn't really a breakdown imo she was accepting of punishment for trying to kill him) Plus it showed her will to make things right as those gladiators were putting trust in her (also notice how they all were scarred and injured while she has no major injuries on her). Her breakdown recently is really just the culmination of years of frustration and helplessness that manifested all at once when that guy was mocking her and bragging about killing her mother.
Edit: was just rereading some of the chapters and it really didn't seem like she was "forced" trained. She made 1 objection to not hurting people because he mother said so but then trained willingly once Mr. Solider said he can show her how to fight without trying to hurt people (to protect herself). Then 1 small scene showing her in the middle of training where she made a comment about not having to learn because he would be there to protect her. This is a sentiment that is reversed in the present as she wants to be the one to protect him.
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On May 23 2014 14:55 Vortok wrote:
There is the whole 'what role would she fill?' question when it comes to another member, but the same could be said about Jimbei.
He's one of the fishmen, i.e. a water specialist (also diversity!). A role severely lacking in the crew. Sanji did some high speed swimming, but he can't breathe that shit. With the amount of DF users on the crew, and their talents for ending up in water rendered useless, having a Jinbei onboard would be very valuable. As a bonus he's really strong and got connections to the royal family of fishman island (which is under Luffy's protection as soon as Big Mom's gotten her ass kicked, which would be around the time Jinbei joins up for real).
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On May 24 2014 15:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 15:15 Slaughter wrote:On May 24 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:On May 24 2014 13:45 Slaughter wrote:
You can't be serious, as Goody just pointed out yet again she has been fighting for years. She has more combat experience then most people and the will do go out there and face something she doesn't want to do (fight). She has a backbone, maybe she isn't S teir like the monster trio but she isn't fodder and she has been doing this for years. YEARS. To say she is a terrible fighter who has no backbone is highly disingenuous to her character. Apparently you can't have an emotional breakdown? All these things have been coming to a head and it finally all hit her at once. All her years of suffering that was the point of that scene. im not saying shes a bad fighter, thats obviously not true shes a very skilled fighter but her soul is not a fighter and thats the point, Robin saw her mother killed in front of her eyes and didnt give up, Robin saw her whole island BURNED TO THE GROUND and didnt give up both of them fought on alone with no support but Rebecca needed support, she needed the tought love from her dad in order to become strong, strong enough to survive the colloseum, and from what weve seen shes also received support from the other imprisoned gladiators in order to survive she herself, under her own initiative has never created an opportunity she just went along with the flow and not often willingly No one does everything alone. Luffy wouldn't be half of what he is if he didn't grow up with Ace and Garp force training him. She also entered that tournament against Kyros wishes so you can't say she was only a passive actor that only lived because she was protected and forced around. You are projecting too much passivity onto her character imo. neither Ace nor Garp "force trained him" he could ahve avoided shanks, he could ahve just stayed in dadans house but he didnt Toy literally forced Rebecca to get stronger, Luffy got stronger on his own for his own sake
Yes they forced him, especially Garp that sent a baby luffy to a jungle fool of dangerous animals without food etc..
But that's not even a point. Rebecca just wants to be with her father, it's possible she would join but highly improbable!
Rebecca was trained by her father, but she is a great fight with observation haki and was capable of surviving so much in such a hard reality.. she is strong fighter for her age!
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her father will die and rebecca won't stick around in a country that has treated her like shit for the past 10 years, also there' s the fact that her mother faked her own death so people will be even more pissed at her if they figure out who she is
either way, we'll all eventually end up being wrong and oda will be right, as usual.
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On May 24 2014 13:24 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 13:11 Slaughter wrote:
And Nami wanted to be in that situation? Thats a silly comparison considering she was actively trying to kill DF by herself???? Do you forget how she wanted the devil fruit so she could kill him? She wasn't some panzy, it takes a lot of fortitude to endure what she did. How is everybody not considering the fact that she is still raised and was fighting her entire inside a arena full of brutes. Well the reason why i wanted her to be part of the crew is not because of "bewbs" but rather she is a person of determination that is similar to zoro well not exactly similar. She was raised in a place full of brutes and people who are geared to fight and hungry for revenge. Sure she hasn't shown any comedic value that all SH crew has shown but that can change later since all of her scene's has pretty serious.
Whhhhatttt? Okay, look, I don't agree with the people who call Rebecca a coward and a weakling, but now you are comparing her disposition to fucking Zoro? Has Zoro EVER been confronted with an emotional issue with breaking down and crying? Or lacked the resolve to actually attack his opponents in a fight (seeing as Rebecca just dodged and tried to make people fall out of the ring, rather than actually fight)? Now, I'll cut Rebeca some slack here, since shes a girl, is being confronted by her mother's murderer, who was just laughing at her. I don't blame her at all for breaking down into tears like she did. However, that also completely disqualifies her for being compared to Zoro, who would never react that way, not even as a kid.
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Yes imagine if Zoro broke into tears when he was faced with Kuina's killer. The evil stairs.
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her father will die and rebecca won't stick around in a country that has treated her like shit for the past 10 years, also there' s the fact that her mother faked her own death so people will be even more pissed at her if they figure out who she is
either way, we'll all eventually end up being wrong and oda will be right, as usual.
come on really? first of all Kyros is not going to die and even if he did you think people are going to hate Rebecca? the drandaughter of the most beloved king, whos parents are there favourite guard captain and princess? if anything theyd be overjoyed
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On May 24 2014 22:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 13:24 goody153 wrote:On May 24 2014 13:11 Slaughter wrote:
And Nami wanted to be in that situation? Thats a silly comparison considering she was actively trying to kill DF by herself???? Do you forget how she wanted the devil fruit so she could kill him? She wasn't some panzy, it takes a lot of fortitude to endure what she did. How is everybody not considering the fact that she is still raised and was fighting her entire inside a arena full of brutes. Well the reason why i wanted her to be part of the crew is not because of "bewbs" but rather she is a person of determination that is similar to zoro well not exactly similar. She was raised in a place full of brutes and people who are geared to fight and hungry for revenge. Sure she hasn't shown any comedic value that all SH crew has shown but that can change later since all of her scene's has pretty serious. Whhhhatttt? Okay, look, I don't agree with the people who call Rebecca a coward and a weakling, but now you are comparing her disposition to fucking Zoro? Has Zoro EVER been confronted with an emotional issue with breaking down and crying? Or lacked the resolve to actually attack his opponents in a fight (seeing as Rebecca just dodged and tried to make people fall out of the ring, rather than actually fight)? Now, I'll cut Rebeca some slack here, since shes a girl, is being confronted by her mother's murderer, who was just laughing at her. I don't blame her at all for breaking down into tears like she did. However, that also completely disqualifies her for being compared to Zoro, who would never react that way, not even as a kid.
Well he did cry when his rival/friend died when he made his oath. Same when he made his oath to Luffy after getting cut down by Mihawk. He doesn't show a lot of those types of emotions a lot but he does express them from time to time. I agree that comparing her to Zoro is a stretch at best and laughable at worst though, even if they were the same age.
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after looking at that king burst scene i think i know why so many people shat themselves when someone has kings haki. I think Kings haki make your other hakis go beyond their capacity depending on your WILL
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On May 25 2014 12:41 Shinokuki wrote:after looking at that king burst scene i think i know why so many people shat themselves when someone has kings haki. I think Kings haki make your other hakis go beyond their capacity depending on your WILL
Seems like it. Isn't that also what happened when Luffy was having his final fight with Ceaser? He just started Conq Haki blasting him at the end.
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On May 25 2014 13:04 Elerris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 12:41 Shinokuki wrote:after looking at that king burst scene i think i know why so many people shat themselves when someone has kings haki. I think Kings haki make your other hakis go beyond their capacity depending on your WILL Seems like it. Isn't that also what happened when Luffy was having his final fight with Ceaser? He just started Conq Haki blasting him at the end.
I didn't like what they did with the Caesar fight in the anime. They made it seem like Luffy actually struggled when in the manga he effortlessly beat the shit out of him (imo which is what it should have been, another showcase of luffy's wtfpowerup).
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i voted for the stuttering fangirl just because
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On May 25 2014 14:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 13:04 Elerris wrote:On May 25 2014 12:41 Shinokuki wrote:after looking at that king burst scene i think i know why so many people shat themselves when someone has kings haki. I think Kings haki make your other hakis go beyond their capacity depending on your WILL Seems like it. Isn't that also what happened when Luffy was having his final fight with Ceaser? He just started Conq Haki blasting him at the end. I didn't like what they did with the Caesar fight in the anime. They made it seem like Luffy actually struggled when in the manga he effortlessly beat the shit out of him (imo which is what it should have been, another showcase of luffy's wtfpowerup).
They did that with Zoro and Hody's fight as well, so it's not a new thing. Guess they just care less about the anime now that so many people follow it.
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