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On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard  Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki
I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use.
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On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki
Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed?
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On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use.
I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless.
While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18
top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it?
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On January 13 2012 04:54 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use. I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless. While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it?
Yeah, looks like he has some big stick, anyway.
As for the Whitebeard/Haki/Logia stuff, lots of potential reasons why it worked out like it did. Dematerializing is possible too, Haki defense is possible, but I highly doubt Haki on Haki is just some simple powerlevel measurement. That would be very un-One Piece like.
Edit: Another thing I noticed, the Sun Pirates are still around. I always thought that when Jinbe became Shichibukai, that all of the remaining Sun Pirates became the Arlong Pirates. Guess only half the crew went with Arlong, and the rest stayed with Jinbe, and are now under Big Mom.
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On January 12 2012 14:29 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:33 RusHXceL wrote:On January 12 2012 10:39 KazeHydra wrote:On January 12 2012 10:31 RusHXceL wrote:On January 12 2012 10:17 aTnClouD wrote:
Why do they say that Caribou's bounty is 2 billions in the last chapter? Translation error? no it says million sir  The mangareader version says billion. Other versions say 200million, so yes, it's an error. who reads mangareader lol? that site cut like half part of the pictures < mangastream That's completely irrelevant to the fact that you implied Cloud misread the chapter. Didn't Garp turn down a promotion to Admiral? I can't remember for sure but he's definitely Admiral level regardless.
Yes he did. The one I read said million so idk what you talking about boy.
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On January 13 2012 05:25 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:54 AsnSensation wrote:On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use. I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless. While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it? Yeah, looks like he has some big stick, anyway. As for the Whitebeard/Haki/Logia stuff, lots of potential reasons why it worked out like it did. Dematerializing is possible too, Haki defense is possible, but I highly doubt Haki on Haki is just some simple powerlevel measurement. That would be very un-One Piece like. Edit: Another thing I noticed, the Sun Pirates are still around. I always thought that when Jinbe became Shichibukai, that all of the remaining Sun Pirates became the Arlong Pirates. Guess only half the crew went with Arlong, and the rest stayed with Jinbe, and are now under Big Mom.
To add onto this, Jinbe was talking about breaking his entire crew off from Big Mom, to get the Sun Pirates to join Luffy. So sounds like when this happens, Luffy will finally be building up entire crews under him, like Whitebeard (and apparently Big Mom).
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I'm liking the direction of this now. Good to see this arc was more of a show-off kind of thing to set up something way bigger.
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On January 13 2012 05:59 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:25 Sentenal wrote:On January 13 2012 04:54 AsnSensation wrote:On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use. I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless. While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it? Yeah, looks like he has some big stick, anyway. As for the Whitebeard/Haki/Logia stuff, lots of potential reasons why it worked out like it did. Dematerializing is possible too, Haki defense is possible, but I highly doubt Haki on Haki is just some simple powerlevel measurement. That would be very un-One Piece like. Edit: Another thing I noticed, the Sun Pirates are still around. I always thought that when Jinbe became Shichibukai, that all of the remaining Sun Pirates became the Arlong Pirates. Guess only half the crew went with Arlong, and the rest stayed with Jinbe, and are now under Big Mom. To add onto this, Jinbe was talking about breaking his entire crew off from Big Mom, to get the Sun Pirates to join Luffy. So sounds like when this happens, Luffy will finally be building up entire crews under him, like Whitebeard (and apparently Big Mom).
I hope not. its okay if jinbei joins but a whole crew joining and sailing under his flag then would be kinda stupid imo. luffy has lots of friends anyway so i dont think he needs crews under him like big mom/whitebeard
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On January 13 2012 08:04 Hirosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:59 Sentenal wrote:On January 13 2012 05:25 Sentenal wrote:On January 13 2012 04:54 AsnSensation wrote:On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use. I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless. While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it? Yeah, looks like he has some big stick, anyway. As for the Whitebeard/Haki/Logia stuff, lots of potential reasons why it worked out like it did. Dematerializing is possible too, Haki defense is possible, but I highly doubt Haki on Haki is just some simple powerlevel measurement. That would be very un-One Piece like. Edit: Another thing I noticed, the Sun Pirates are still around. I always thought that when Jinbe became Shichibukai, that all of the remaining Sun Pirates became the Arlong Pirates. Guess only half the crew went with Arlong, and the rest stayed with Jinbe, and are now under Big Mom. To add onto this, Jinbe was talking about breaking his entire crew off from Big Mom, to get the Sun Pirates to join Luffy. So sounds like when this happens, Luffy will finally be building up entire crews under him, like Whitebeard (and apparently Big Mom). I hope not. its okay if jinbei joins but a whole crew joining and sailing under his flag then would be kinda stupid imo. luffy has lots of friends anyway so i dont think he needs crews under him like big mom/whitebeard
Hes already following in Whitebeard's footsteps with trying to claim Fishman Island as his territory to protect it. Without any manpower, like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard, then its going to be really stupid.
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On January 13 2012 08:24 Sentenal wrote:
Hes already following in Whitebeard's footsteps with trying to claim Fishman Island as his territory to protect it. Without any manpower, like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard, then its going to be really stupid.
It'll probably be a little bit like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard and not like the divisions under Whitebeard (i.e. not like Ace, Marco or Jose)
The Sun Pirates will probably be allied forces but free to do their own thing, not sailing with the Strawhats.
Luffy parallels Gol D. Roger more, and Gol D. had allies, but his actual crew was pretty small
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/5.html
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On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:
Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him.
Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki
I think Aokiji would have die if Whitebread actually hit him with his huge ass machete, Aokoiji manipulated his own body to form a hole right in the middle to let that huge ass machete through and made no contact with it.
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On January 13 2012 09:01 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:24 Sentenal wrote:
Hes already following in Whitebeard's footsteps with trying to claim Fishman Island as his territory to protect it. Without any manpower, like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard, then its going to be really stupid. It'll probably be a little bit like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard and not like the divisions under Whitebeard (i.e. not like Ace, Marco or Jose) The Sun Pirates will probably be allied forces but free to do their own thing, not sailing with the Strawhats. Luffy parallels Gol D. Roger more, and Gol D. had allies, but his actual crew was pretty small http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/5.html
Isn't Roger the 1 ship while the group of ships belong to the Golden Lion?
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On January 14 2012 16:34 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 09:01 ore0z wrote:On January 13 2012 08:24 Sentenal wrote:
Hes already following in Whitebeard's footsteps with trying to claim Fishman Island as his territory to protect it. Without any manpower, like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard, then its going to be really stupid. It'll probably be a little bit like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard and not like the divisions under Whitebeard (i.e. not like Ace, Marco or Jose) The Sun Pirates will probably be allied forces but free to do their own thing, not sailing with the Strawhats. Luffy parallels Gol D. Roger more, and Gol D. had allies, but his actual crew was pretty small http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/5.html Isn't Roger the 1 ship while the group of ships belong to the Golden Lion?
Yeah. The next page says it was essentially Roger vs Shiki's Fleet, and that Roger destroyed half of it before escaping.
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On January 13 2012 08:24 Sentenal wrote:
He's already following in Whitebeard's footsteps with trying to claim Fishman Island as his territory to protect it. Without any manpower, like the Allied Pirates under Whitebeard, then its going to be really stupid.
Have to agree there.
The writings on the wall for Luffy to start gathering territory that's under his protection. It wouldn't make any sense, though, for the Strawhats to be continually turning around while in the New World to deal with some random threat or other to one of the places he's put under his protection. Even if a small contingent (say Franky and Usopp or something like that) turned back for a bit to deal with it, I don't think it would flow all that well considering how often it'd likely happen once he's been to a lot of places.
At the same time, Luffy's never been the type to want a ship with 100 crew members on it (never mind sailing with a fleet of ships). Allied crews seems to be the most likely. Would be interesting if there are one or two points where the allied crews needed help and someone went back to help them out. 70% chance of it just being Luffy roflstomping someone, but would be interesting if it was someone else in the crew (non monster trio, though as first mate it would seem to fall into Zoro's area - who would get lost on the way there of course) and thus giving them a little bit of time to shine.
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On January 12 2012 18:29 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed?
Ace used Haki to save Luffy
http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-8/one-piece/chapter-587.html
He later said "You too" when seeing Luffy using Haki at Marineford to knock everyone out.
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On January 15 2012 04:39 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:29 Scaramanga wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed? Ace used Haki to save Luffy http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-8/one-piece/chapter-587.htmlHe later said "You too" when seeing Luffy using Haki at Marineford to knock everyone out.
Way too young for stuff like that.
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On January 15 2012 07:26 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:39 BlackMagister wrote:On January 12 2012 18:29 Scaramanga wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed? Ace used Haki to save Luffy http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-8/one-piece/chapter-587.htmlHe later said "You too" when seeing Luffy using Haki at Marineford to knock everyone out. Way too young for stuff like that.
What do you mean? He clearly uses Haki to knock out the bad boys. Read the next page and it shows that only their leader remains conscious - I don't recall there ever being an age limit to using Haki without knowing it.
Or am I misunderstanding your post?
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On January 15 2012 07:36 Warfie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 07:26 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 15 2012 04:39 BlackMagister wrote:On January 12 2012 18:29 Scaramanga wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed? Ace used Haki to save Luffy http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-8/one-piece/chapter-587.htmlHe later said "You too" when seeing Luffy using Haki at Marineford to knock everyone out. Way too young for stuff like that. What do you mean? He clearly uses Haki to knock out the bad boys. Read the next page and it shows that only their leader remains conscious - I don't recall there ever being an age limit to using Haki without knowing it. Or am I misunderstanding your post?
Ya, I don't mean he didn't knock them out, I mean he's freaking young when he first used it. I think this is the youngest age in the series we've seen people use haki.
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On January 15 2012 07:53 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 07:36 Warfie wrote:On January 15 2012 07:26 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 15 2012 04:39 BlackMagister wrote:On January 12 2012 18:29 Scaramanga wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki Ace didn't use haki, and if you are claiming he did can you show me where this is confirmed? Ace used Haki to save Luffy http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-8/one-piece/chapter-587.htmlHe later said "You too" when seeing Luffy using Haki at Marineford to knock everyone out. Way too young for stuff like that. What do you mean? He clearly uses Haki to knock out the bad boys. Read the next page and it shows that only their leader remains conscious - I don't recall there ever being an age limit to using Haki without knowing it. Or am I misunderstanding your post? Ya, I don't mean he didn't knock them out, I mean he's freaking young when he first used it. I think this is the youngest age in the series we've seen people use haki.
well he is the son of Gol D. Roger.
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On January 13 2012 05:25 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:54 AsnSensation wrote:On January 12 2012 18:22 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2012 18:11 divinesage wrote:On January 02 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:On January 02 2012 01:14 Milkis wrote:On January 01 2012 19:58 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2012 16:09 Milkis wrote:i reread thriller bark and it's pretty interesting how in the same arc you see both the full destruction capabilities of both kuma's nikyu fruit and blackbeard's darkness fruit :O i really think luffy needs that fruit to fight blackbeard Luffy being able to use Haki should be his trump card against all those previously seemingly invincible abilities. I don't think there is a need for another Devil Fruit. And Ace couldn't use Haki? that seems *very* unlikely. Ace didn't know blackbeards abilities and pushed him to the edge right? I guess the blackbeard now is better than the blackbeard then though Ace had Haki. It isn't as strong as Blackbeard or the Admirals which explains why he got totally trumped by Akainu. If he had stronger Haki, even if Akainu's fruit was superior to his, he would have been able to hold off his attacks. Think back when Whitebeard attacked Aokiji, I think Whitebeard wasn't exactly serious with his attacks otherwise his Haki would have broken through Aokiji's Haki and hurt him. Haki is present in everyone, but to manifest it, much training is requires. Also, I believe characters' that have stronger Haki would be able to negate weaker characters' Haki I don't think Haki works quiet like that. You don't simiply measure who has "stronger" haki in cases like that, I can almost guarantee you its all based on use and skill. Whitebeard attacks with Haki, and then Akainu uses it to block the attack. Ace himself only used Haoshoku Haki once, in that Flashback, and was never shown using it outside of that, which suggests to me at least that he was probably not as skilled in its use. I have to agree with that, seems kinda logic. Also For the people complaining why WB couldnt do shit against logias until he went nuts against Akainu, for example when he stabbed Aokiji with his sword, I assume he dematerialized logia style before whtebeard even stabbed him. Though I remember a few panels when he slashed Kizaru and nothing happened. Maybe he was just too weak at that point to even use Haki, it's weird for the strongest man nevertheless. While people were discussing if Smoker still uses his seastone tip stick, I found the following while rereading the chapter http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/18top right panel, the long thing behind him, thats probably it? Yeah, looks like he has some big stick, anyway. As for the Whitebeard/Haki/Logia stuff, lots of potential reasons why it worked out like it did. Dematerializing is possible too, Haki defense is possible, but I highly doubt Haki on Haki is just some simple powerlevel measurement. That would be very un-One Piece like. Edit: Another thing I noticed, the Sun Pirates are still around. I always thought that when Jinbe became Shichibukai, that all of the remaining Sun Pirates became the Arlong Pirates. Guess only half the crew went with Arlong, and the rest stayed with Jinbe, and are now under Big Mom.
Haki on Haki would certainly mean Haki defense vs Haki offense. I don't see why this couldn't work, because it surely shows how much each person has mastered his/her extent of Haki. You could probably say that Ace didn't really master his Haki to a good enough extent, that's why it barely showed when he was fighting.
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