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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8255 Posts
On June 09 2013 06:55 Dazed_Spy wrote: You know whats a perfect example as to why most people hate Sam, I feel? He's telling the incest broad [cant recall her name] about this and that and she calls him a wizard. Which, firstly, is not something be proud of but appropriately cause someone sadness, given its a sign of the poverty of her existence up to that point. But more importantly his response to this is this shy, half hearted, pathetic smile and laugh. Whatever Sam is capable of intellectually or whatever hes accomplished, hes just straight up pathetic. Hes the kind of guy that in seconds of meeting, you want to beat on. Ironically exactly like 90% of those who hang on this forum, wheter we like to admit it or not | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:05 ElectricWizard wrote: I'm aware she has a name, I said I couldnt recall it, but thanks for the faux outrage. And yes, I'm also aware he has low self esteem--hence why I described him as pathetic and irritating. The "incest broad" has a name, it's Gilly. He obviously has an extremely low self-esteem, and her telling him that she think's his ability to read is amazing, is obviously a heartwarming moment for him. If your first thought when meeting shy, introverted, "weak" and book-ish people is to physically assault them, well, there might be something horribly wrong with you. Perhaps I would find him annoying, perhaps I'd pity him, but wanting to beat him because he's pathetic? What kind of a horrible attitude is that? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 09 2013 06:55 Dazed_Spy wrote: You know whats a perfect example as to why most people hate Sam, I feel? He's telling the incest broad [cant recall her name] about this and that and she calls him a wizard. Which, firstly, is not something be proud of but appropriately cause someone sadness, given its a sign of the poverty of her existence up to that point. But more importantly his response to this is this shy, half hearted, pathetic smile and laugh. Whatever Sam is capable of intellectually or whatever hes accomplished, hes just straight up pathetic. Hes the kind of guy that in seconds of meeting, you want to beat on. Do people with low self-esteem cause anger in you in general? Do you want to talk about it?  | ||
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ElectricWizard
Norway200 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:10 Dazed_Spy wrote: I'm aware she has a name, I said I couldnt recall it, but thanks for the faux outrage. And yes, I'm also aware he has low self esteem--hence why I described him as pathetic and irritating. I fear to imagine what you would do if you found a kitten missing an eye and a leg on the street some day, dear I imagine punching it for it's inadequacies? | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On June 09 2013 06:55 Dazed_Spy wrote: Whatever Sam is capable of intellectually or whatever hes accomplished, hes just straight up pathetic. Hes the kind of guy that in seconds of meeting, you want to beat on. Maybe you should start beating yourself then, because that's just pathetic. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On June 09 2013 05:50 Zandar wrote: I find it a bit weird that so many of us nerds dislike the most nerdy character so much. People don't dislike him because he's a nerd. They dislike him for a thousand other reasons that define his character. | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
Balon - They have his son. Tywin has shown what parents are willing to do to get their kids back. The Iron Islanders might not agree. They gave up his son pretty quick. Would they really want to try and get him back? Yara is the only character we know outside of a couple of the Sea bitch crew, so she would be the prime candidate. Joffrey - Tyrion has the most reason at the moment. He might not live if he doesn't. Sansa would be an unlikely one, but maybe that's the point? I could also see Cercie strangling him for the good of the family. | ||
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ElectricWizard
Norway200 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:16 Aegon I wrote: If the curse affects Balon and Joffrey the same way that it did Robb(someone else murders them), who and why? Balon - They have his son. Tywin has shown what parents are willing to do to get their kids back. The Iron Islanders might not agree. They gave up his son pretty quick. Would they really want to try and get him back? Yara is the only character we know outside of a couple of the Sea bitch crew, so she would be the prime candidate. Joffrey - Tyrion has the most reason at the moment. He might not live if he doesn't. Sansa would be an unlikely one, but maybe that's the point? I could also see Cercie strangling him for the good of the family. It doesn't necessarily have to be a yet featured character though, does it? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9297 Posts
Haha it's great! | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
Not saying I want to beat on Sam or anything insane like some posters here. But Sam needs to grow a pair. /edit And I don't mean it in the conventional "manly-man" sense. Lady Stark had more gonads than Sam. | ||
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ElectricWizard
Norway200 Posts
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Germany2516 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:22 plogamer wrote: I think it is healthy to not admire weakness and cowardice. Sam is great in his own way, but the fact that he does not acknowledge himself is not something we should applaud. Not saying I want to beat on Sam or anything insane like some posters here. But Sam needs to grow a pair. /edit And I don't mean it in the conventional "manly-man" sense. Lady Stark had more gonads than Sam. A lot of people here seem to mistake liking a character with wanting to be a character. The two are completely and entirely unrelated. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 09 2013 06:05 Conti wrote: Okay, how is being "useless" something you don't want to see in a story? This seems to be the main complaint (at least the one that isn't completely idiotic), but I don't really get it. I watch a show, especially one like GoT, because I want to see characters interact with each other. I want character development, story development, yadda yadda. I get all of that with a character like Sam, even if he is by some definition completely useless. The only argument I can come up with is, again, the lack of ass-kicking he does in comparison to most other characters. But that's a pretty shallow reason, so I'll just give the benefit of the doubt here and assume that's not the reason and I just don't get it. You misunderstand me completely (just like the Dutch guy) and both of you should really calm down a bit with you passive aggressive posting styles - saying that you are giving me the benefit of doubt after having entirely missed the mark on what I meant really only serves to make you look like a fool. I do not have any complaints with Sam being in the story, but I do not like him as a character - these are not mutually exclusive just like liking and wanting to be a character are not inclusive of each other. When I said he was utterly useless I meant for himself. Sam is the guy who meets a little resistance and then gives up, expecting everything to be handed to him or simply accepting his faith. He is a burden to everyone else, and he is contempt with that. I suspect we might see him grow a fair bit (he already has shown signs of improvement), but he has a far way to go before he becomes a character I can root for. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:55 Ghostcom wrote: You misunderstand me completely (just like the Dutch guy) and both of you should really calm down a bit with you passive aggressive posting styles - saying that you are giving me the benefit of doubt after having entirely missed the mark on what I meant really only serves to make you look like a fool. I do not have any complaints with Sam being in the story, but I do not like him as a character - these are not mutually exclusive just like liking and wanting to be a character are not inclusive of each other. When I said he was utterly useless I meant for himself. Sam is the guy who meets a little resistance and then gives up, expecting everything to be handed to him or simply accepting his faith. He is a burden to everyone else, and he is contempt with that. I suspect we might see him grow a fair bit (he already has shown signs of improvement), but he has a far way to go before he becomes a character I can root for. But isn't there a big difference between not rooting for a character, and not wanting to see anything of him and coming here to complain about Sam getting too much screen time? I'm not saying that you specifically did that, but a lot of people did, and it's them I don't understand. If you just don't like Sam's character, that's perfectly fine. But what we see here goes beyond that for some people, apparently, and that's what puzzles me. | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
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FoxShine
United States156 Posts
On June 09 2013 07:05 BroOd wrote: Sam's a smart dude who has no self confidence because his upbringing was shit. He's still struggling to find a self-identity beyond the concept of "failure" and that's not something that washes away after a few months. He's a craven and he's weak and he's wanted to give up so many times but he has allowed something about himself to keep fighting. It's easy to be frustrated with him, but a broader view of his situation leaves us with much we can admire about Sam. QFT Also, wasn't it badass when he stabbed the whitewalker with the Dragonglass? Maybe he KNEW or had an idea that the dragonglass was meant for that. He read a bunch of old books at castle black. He's definitely a smart dude.. He's also sort of courageous; he rescued that chick. He just needs to lose some poundage and get buffer. I don't know what the story has in store for him but hopefully its character development. He wen't from being a sniveling bitch to actually killing a white walker. I think the old Sam would have RAN for his life leaving that bitch, but he was fed up. Don't you think the other "better" members of the black would have ran for it too? you guys aren't giving him enough credit. You would shit yourselves and run like a bitch if in his place there. You wouldn't stab him in the back after having your sword exploded, you would pussy out. If he didn't know the glass would have that effect im sure he can put it together now. Maybe he knows where to find more of them or will pass the knowledge on. Information like that would be integral in a conflict with the white walkers. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
Dude spoiler that shit... Didn't you know that in book 4 they do this!!!! + Show Spoiler + : D hope we can all figure out it was a joke, likely a bad one : ( | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 09 2013 08:27 Hitch-22 wrote: Dude spoiler that shit... Didn't you know that in book 4 they do this!!!! + Show Spoiler + : D hope we can all figure out it was a joke, likely a bad one : ( Don't you mean end of book 3? :p I'm sure PETD would have something to say about it, if they did though. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
It's just very irritating and quite badly done. Which isn't something I'm given to saying about GoT much. And in terms of how it advances the story, I feel that his screen time is about twice or three times as much as it should be. | ||
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