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frontliner2
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GettingIt
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On June 09 2013 19:36 frontliner2 wrote: Lol am I the only one who loves Sam? He's kind, he's generous, he's not selfish and he strives to make others feel safe and happy. Great guy really. A horrible warrior but perhaps the best humanist in Westeros. With the amount of assholes and cruelty that happens in GoT, Sam is a breath of fresh air. Same goes for Jon Snow. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I'm not particularly attracted to the story Sam has gone through right now, which basically can be surmised by: fat cowardly wretch born in the wrong life at the wrong time stumbles around somehow not dying and lucks out several times and will probably end up boning a girl he 'altruistically' saved and being considered the saviour of westeros. He's like a fat charlie and the chocolate factory. Also, it's kind of awkward that in GRRMs story, where even fairly competent people get mercilessly killed off, Sam manages to survive and luck his way through. I have a distinct feeling that, were GRRM not projecting himself onto Sam, the character would be dead in the mud after about 10 pages. Which is really awkward, it's like he's given his 'avatar' a free ride. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 09 2013 19:56 sc4k wrote: have a distinct feeling that, were GRRM not projecting himself onto Sam, the character would be dead in the mud after about 10 pages. Which is really awkward, it's like he's given his 'avatar' a free ride. There are plenty of much more stupid people that are still alive. And what's really boring is the whole Sam discussion. Its like people spend 30 minutes to write posts about how watching a boring Sam scene stole 1 min of their life. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:15 Vandrad wrote: Every Game of thrones fan needs to see this hilarious picture. D-did you just link me to 9gag? Is this a new variation of rickrolling? Anyway, Davos is a good character and the actor playing him is doing his job really well. | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:17 OutlaW- wrote: D-did you just link me to 9gag? Is this a new variation of rickrolling? Anyway, Davos is a good character and the actor playing him is doing his job really well. Wait, it links to 9gag main page? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:15 Vandrad wrote: Every Game of thrones fan needs to see this hilarious picture. Stark: check Suffered a series of unfortunate circumstances already: check Compassionate and dutiful: check Sansa it doesn't look good for you... :p | ||
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frogrubdown
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She's a Lannister. | ||
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eTcetRa
Australia822 Posts
... check! :D Davos is a great character, but so is the hound! | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:13 Erasme wrote: Sam is the only non stark character strictly good. He's a nice guy, even tho hes a coward he rushed toward a whitewalker with just a little knife to save a baby. He's fairly smart and studies. Idk why all you want guys is tits and swords. I certainly don't want tits, and I don't really enjoy sword fighting scenes at all. It's possible to not be a meathead and also not love Sam's scenes. He's a reasonably sympathetic character, the problem lies more in the ham handed way his incompetence has been broadcast in his scenes...way too overtly and over the top. Him turning into a quivering wreck at almost every possible challenge and then having the courage to stab the white walker was a little too much of a turnaround to be believable, and kind of broke the immersion for me. It would have been much more realistic for his character (as presented in the show) to start rushing to the white walker, but then bottle out, turn tail and run. Also, Tyrion pretty much ticks all the boxes that Sam does but because he is more courageous and generally more competent he is a far more exciting character to watch. He is clearly 'strictly good', he hasn't done anything non-good since the show started. He is also intelligent and studies. On June 09 2013 20:07 Redox wrote: There are plenty of much more stupid people that are still alive. And what's really boring is the whole Sam discussion. Its like people spend 30 minutes to write posts about how watching a boring Sam scene stole 1 min of their life. It humours me to discuss things like this, if it doesn't for you, then you're very welcome to move on. Not like much else is going on in the thread, seeing as the last episode was 6 days ago and most of us are just desperate to get our hands on the next episode! And I wasn't talking about stupid, clearly Sam is not stupid. Far from it, he's one of the more informed people in the show. He's just physically incompetent and cowardly and I don't think I've seen anyone in the show who comes even close to him for physical incompetence and cowardice. And I'm NOT saying I dislike him for this, I'm just saying it kind of goes against the whole GRRM 'grimness' that he has lucked out so often and is not dead. In fact he hasn't even been scratched has he?! | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:54 sc4k wrote: I certainly don't want tits, and I don't really enjoy sword fighting scenes at all. It's possible to not be a meathead and also not love Sam's scenes. He's a reasonably sympathetic character, the problem lies more in the ham handed way his incompetence has been broadcast in his scenes...way too overtly and over the top. Him turning into a quivering wreck at almost every possible challenge and then having the courage to stab the white walker was a little too much of a turnaround to be believable, and kind of broke the immersion for me. It would have been much more realistic for his character (as presented in the show) to start rushing to the white walker, but then bottle out, turn tail and run. Also, Tyrion pretty much ticks all the boxes that Sam does but because he is more courageous and generally more competent he is a far more exciting character to watch. He is clearly 'strictly good', he hasn't done anything non-good since the show started. He is also intelligent and studies. I think Sam's actions are believable. Caring about the girl gave him the strength to relatively calmly leave scene of the riot at the incest village. Same goes for the white walker scene. If he had been on his own and only focusing on himself, then his actions would be much less believable. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I still think it would have been more realistic for him to strongly want to kill the white walker, but to be too scared to actually do it. And then to return to her after the baby had been taken away and be like 'I'm so sorry, can we still be friends?'. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:54 sc4k wrote: I certainly don't want tits, and I don't really enjoy sword fighting scenes at all. It's possible to not be a meathead and also not love Sam's scenes. He's a reasonably sympathetic character, the problem lies more in the ham handed way his incompetence has been broadcast in his scenes...way too overtly and over the top. Him turning into a quivering wreck at almost every possible challenge and then having the courage to stab the white walker was a little too much of a turnaround to be believable, and kind of broke the immersion for me. It would have been much more realistic for his character (as presented in the show) to start rushing to the white walker, but then bottle out, turn tail and run. Also, Tyrion pretty much ticks all the boxes that Sam does but because he is more courageous and generally more competent he is a far more exciting character to watch. He is clearly 'strictly good', he hasn't done anything non-good since the show started. He is also intelligent and studies. It humours me to discuss things like this, if it doesn't for you, then you're very welcome to move on. Not like much else is going on in the thread, seeing as the last episode was 6 days ago and most of us are just desperate to get our hands on the next episode! And I wasn't talking about stupid, clearly Sam is not stupid. Far from it, he's one of the more informed people in the show. He's just physically incompetent and cowardly and I don't think I've seen anyone in the show who comes even close to him for physical incompetence and cowardice. And I'm NOT saying I dislike him for this, I'm just saying it kind of goes against the whole GRRM 'grimness' that he has lucked out so often and is not dead. In fact he hasn't even been scratched has he?! Tyrion is just as physically incompetent as Sam and he has survived, too, but you don't seem to mind him? And despite the fact that I think that you're exaggerating Sam's cowardice (he is a lesser coward now than at the start, perhaps you were to blind to see the development because you were too busy not liking his scenes?), cowardice isn't a trait that gets you killed. (In normal fiction it is, but not here. Same as with reality.) I think you're just biased. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 09 2013 20:54 sc4k wrote: I certainly don't want tits, and I don't really enjoy sword fighting scenes at all. It's possible to not be a meathead and also not love Sam's scenes. He's a reasonably sympathetic character, the problem lies more in the ham handed way his incompetence has been broadcast in his scenes...way too overtly and over the top. Him turning into a quivering wreck at almost every possible challenge and then having the courage to stab the white walker was a little too much of a turnaround to be believable, and kind of broke the immersion for me. It would have been much more realistic for his character (as presented in the show) to start rushing to the white walker, but then bottle out, turn tail and run. Well, at least that's a rational argument I can relate to. and if that's the reason you don't like Sam, that's perfectly fine. It just doesn't help that every post like yours attracts a post from another guy that goes "Sam is fat and stupid and I wanna beat him up for it!".  Personally, I don't quite agree, though, and I don't really see Sam's portrayal as any more or less realistic than anything else in the show. You could make all the same arguments about Sansa, for instance, who at this point might as well have a message on her back that reads "Crush my dreams! Crush my dreams!". Some characters are going in a very specific direction, and I'm quite fine with that. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
 but she seems to have less scenes and they drag on less. She isn't really a character, more an emotional punchbag. I agree with and accept your points, if a certain amount of people in this thread could be weeded out then this thread would be a lot more civil I think and there would be less combustible arguments.On June 09 2013 21:06 OutlaW- wrote: Tyrion is just as physically incompetent as Sam and he has survived, too, but you don't seem to mind him? And despite the fact that I think that you're exaggerating Sam's cowardice (he is a lesser coward now than at the start, perhaps you were to blind to see the development because you were too busy not liking his scenes?), cowardice isn't a trait that gets you killed. (In normal fiction it is, but not here. Same as with reality.) I think you're just biased. Well Tyrion has the protection of his family and millions of gold coins dude, that's what has kept him alive. They are not in equatable situations. I think you're biased too. | ||
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