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Cirqueenflex
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Aelip
Denmark321 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:06 Cirqueenflex wrote: what I never understood about this show in the first place - so much in this show is about the baratheons (and Geoffrey with them) claiming to be the true king of the country, when in truth it wasn't theirs and Robert just took it by force from the crazy king. Why are they so mad when other people are trying to do the exact same thing? Why would they have a more valid claim to the throne than anyone else, when they just stole it themselves half a generation ago? Losing the throne is a pretty valid reason to be mad. The whole claim thing is just a form of political propaganda to make the rest of the realm do as they're told. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:06 Cirqueenflex wrote: what I never understood about this show in the first place - so much in this show is about the baratheons (and Geoffrey with them) claiming to be the true king of the country, when in truth it wasn't theirs and Robert just took it by force from the crazy king. Why are they so mad when other people are trying to do the exact same thing? Why would they have a more valid claim to the throne than anyone else, when they just stole it themselves half a generation ago? The previous line of kings forced others to bend the knee as well. The rightful king is whoever has the power to take it successfully. The Baratheons (and Joffrey) are claiming they are the rightful king because you gain power through legitimacy, which comes from convincing the people to follow you. It's just politics. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Kalingingsong
Canada633 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:06 Cirqueenflex wrote: what I never understood about this show in the first place - so much in this show is about the baratheons (and Geoffrey with them) claiming to be the true king of the country, when in truth it wasn't theirs and Robert just took it by force from the crazy king. Why are they so mad when other people are trying to do the exact same thing? Why would they have a more valid claim to the throne than anyone else, when they just stole it themselves half a generation ago? 2 possibilities: 1) they know they are invalid, they are just using these "justifications" as propaganda. 2) human beings are hypocrites. | ||
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Cirqueenflex
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:12 Cirqueenflex wrote: the last episode gave me a huge laugh when Sanza said she was 14. As if. Also I hate Dany more and more. It is one thing to be a strong woman, but she is just cruel, stringing along 3 fallen knights and 8000 cut people because she has some Dragons and likes to show of her body. I will never forgive her to threaten the guy who stuck by her side for such a long time and was only worried about a bad trade (a Dragon for an army) while never recieving anything in return. I hope she burns. The mother of dragons bathes in the flames and can not be burned, now kneel you fool! | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i dont think robb has any interest in the throne, he just wants joff and his people dead for cutting off ned's head so i wouldnt call him an usurper. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:06 Cirqueenflex wrote: what I never understood about this show in the first place - so much in this show is about the baratheons (and Geoffrey with them) claiming to be the true king of the country, when in truth it wasn't theirs and Robert just took it by force from the crazy king. Why are they so mad when other people are trying to do the exact same thing? Why would they have a more valid claim to the throne than anyone else, when they just stole it themselves half a generation ago? To be fair, it's believed that an ancestor of House Baratheon was half-brother of Aegon the Conqueror. This would have made House Baratheon "somewhat" of a distant off-shoot of House Targaryen. So at the time of Robert's Rebellion, Robert Baratheon was the closest living relative in the Seven Kingdoms to the royal dynasty, hence, the "rightful king" (since Daenerys/Viserys went into exile and Maester Aemon took the black). via S1 DVD Extras (0:56 and 2:07) | ||
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FireS
Romania415 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:12 Cirqueenflex wrote: I hope she burns. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:20 jinorazi wrote: Stannis is the rightful king. Joffery would be but he isnt a Baratheon and a handful of people know this, including Cersei and Jaime. Stannis seems to be wanting to be king because it is his duty and not for personal gain. However these guys are usurpers to the Targaryens since they were the original line that unified/conquered the whole Westoros and created the Iron throne. i dont think robb has any interest in the throne, he just wants joff and his people dead for cutting off ned's head so i wouldnt call him an usurper. Ah, but he wants to have the North secede from the 7 kingdoms and be king in the North (taking Riverrun with him), which is rightfully Stannis's right to rule as king. To Stannis, that makes him a usurper. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:29 Whitewing wrote: Ah, but he wants to have the North secede from the 7 kingdoms and be king in the North (taking Riverrun with him), which is rightfully Stannis's right to rule as king. To Stannis, that makes him a usurper. Not just to Stannis. By the laws of the seven kingdoms, he "is" an usurper trying to revolt from his lawful king and take half the country with him. It's no different than Balon Greyjoy who didn't proclaim himself King of the Seven Kingdoms, just "King of the Iron Islands" | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:20 jinorazi wrote: Stannis is the rightful king. Joffery would be but he isnt a Baratheon and a handful of people know this, including Cersei and Jaime. Stannis seems to be wanting to be king because it is his duty and not for personal gain. However these guys are usurpers to the Targaryens since they were the original line that unified/conquered the whole Westoros and created the Iron throne. i dont think robb has any interest in the throne, he just wants joff and his people dead for cutting off ned's head so i wouldnt call him an usurper. isn't gendry the next in line ? beeing robert's son, he should be ahead of robert's brother in the line, no ? | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:34 oGoZenob wrote: isn't gendry the next in line ? beeing robert's son, he should be ahead of robert's brother in the line, no ? Bastards don't count. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:34 oGoZenob wrote: isn't gendry the next in line ? beeing robert's son, he should be ahead of robert's brother in the line, no ? he is a bastards, and they cant inherit unless special rules are created for them. | ||
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kamicom
United States180 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:34 oGoZenob wrote: isn't gendry the next in line ? beeing robert's son, he should be ahead of robert's brother in the line, no ? He was an unlegitimized bastard. Unlegitimized bastards have no claim. If Robert had legitimized him, he would probably be the rightful heir. | ||
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TeePee
United States132 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Not just to Stannis. By the laws of the seven kingdoms, he "is" an usurper trying to revolt from his lawful king and take half the country with him. It's no different than Balon Greyjoy who didn't proclaim himself King of the Seven Kingdoms, just "King of the Iron Islands" ah yes true. however i was thinking in the lines of "you aren't the targaryens, screw you, i'm going home". since the beginning i was wondering if the targaryens aren't there and especially dragons, why do they stick to this iron throne idea? iron throne governs the 7 kingdoms because they had authority...the current iron throne seems to be supported by loyalists, family (casterly rock, rock + storm land before), alliances but the current-non-targaryen-no-dragon iron throne itself holds no real power. so if i was one of the 7 kingdoms and had serious beef with dragonless iron throne, i'd say fuck you and bounce. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:40 TeePee wrote: Any reason why Arya was riding the horse like she was? it looked so funny and out of place. My guess is that the Hound could react the fastest to Arya trying anything funny that way. If she'd sit behind him she could literally stab him in the back, and if she'd sit in front of him, er.. I dunno. I'm sure there's some smart reason for it.  | ||
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