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On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion.
Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved.
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On April 25 2011 23:49 redviper wrote:Actually Joffrey is probably insane so can't be blamed for everything he does. Sansa is the real bitch in all this though. She isn't from a + Show Spoiler + and basically symbolizes everything that is wrong with having royalty. There isn't a character in the books more hateful than Sansa imo.
Joffrey isn't insane hes just a product of a combination of shit-teir parenting, a superiority complex and a malicious personality. Robert doesn't really care, and with only cersei to raise him its no surprise he turned out similar to her.
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On April 25 2011 23:16 Mattes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:09 floor exercise wrote:
Spoilers suck but on the other hand it's a 15 year old book That shouldnt have any effect. This thread is about the tv-show, and therefore it should be treated this way. There is a thread for the books, and it should be used for everything upwards of the upcoming tv-episodes. Whoever spoils certain things should be punished for it. Think about it, certain information mentioned without much thought, can ruin not only this season but even some of the books in their entirety, and therefore the whole experience for people that maybe dont know the books, but hugely enjoy the show and think about reading the books afterwards.
Why should every single person who has read the books have to worry about what they are saying because you haven't? I just don't see why the burden is on other people to make sure you aren't spoiled on a TV adaptation of an incredibly popular book.
I just see a lot of valid discussion about the adaption being hindered by spoiler tags so that people can say "wait they are brother and sister?" and "joffrey is a fag lol"
Maybe a spoiler free thread is needed in addition to one for spoilers. This thread alone is 2.5 years old, people had plenty of time to read the books if they had an interest. And if they didn't I don't really see why it falls to those that did to maintain another persons level of ignorance. I mean couldn't they just continue to not read things?
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On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved.
What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you.
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On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you.
I'm assuming he's talking about the guy that got executed by ned not 15 minutes into the first episode.
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On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you.
He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded.
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If I remember correctly he stole something. Was it food?
edit: Ah he was running from the nightwatch. Its the very first chapter in aGoT
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So people are sad over the puppy but not so much about Mycah, the butcher's boy? At least in the series he doesn't end up + Show Spoiler + after his meeting with the Hound. You think Sansa got an unfair treatment, but what about that boy..
Overall I liked the second episode, it really sets the tone of the show going. Not only boobs and fornication and guts and beheadings, but also a very grim tone on top of it. Appart from Tyrion being even more awsome than he already is in the books.
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On April 25 2011 19:13 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 18:52 Riyomori wrote:On April 25 2011 18:40 HowardRoark wrote:
3 questions:
Did they mention why the dwarf followed the bastard to the wall?
Did they kill the butcher's son?
The king Jon mentioned was killed by the dwarf's brother, was that the father of Daenerys?
BTW, I am bothered a bit that they have a 30 year old actor portraying a 14 yo child. who's the 14 yo child? Daenerys I think, but she is supposed to be 16 or older in the tv series. She was 13 in the books.
Emilia Clarke is 23-24 (O.o) years old though, not 30.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_Clarke
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On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded.
NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that?
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On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion.
People die on tv and films all the time. Cute dogs, not so much.
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A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy?
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On April 25 2011 22:52 zalz wrote:People really spoil a lot. If they don't outright spoil it they hint to spoilers so hard only a complete idiot could miss it. Can't you people understand the importance of not spoilering? Can't you just not hint? It's hardly hinting what most of you do, it's outright pointing it and building a neon sign. Just don't spoiler anything, just don't hint at anything. I have read the books and i would have been fucking pissed off if someone had spoilered something directly or even went "hint hint hint". Some posted a big piece about how the assasin having a knife doesn't make sense. Just say "it gets adressed in the book" like someone did. All you have to say is that it's not a plothole and will get adressed. Spoiler from the books (1-2-3-4) + Show Spoiler +I mean seriously. The entire suspense of the Tyrion arc gets fucking ruined if you allready know he is innocent because some people can't help themsves by going "lololol, it was Joffrey lol". That is probably more subtle then some other hinting i have seen going around. Suprise is everything in this story and by spoilering or hinting at stuff you completly ruin it. Have some self-control.
Pretty much this. The show is amazing and is more than worth of discussion - sadly, the amount of spoilers going around in this thread makes one really want to stay away from it. Pity.
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On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote:
A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy?
Dothraki warrior during the wedding?
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On April 26 2011 00:01 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded. NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that?
I remember it well. One was a "murder/slaying" of a guy by some mythological looking creature. The other was an execution of a guy most people would empathize, by a guy presented as pretty likeable. I'm going to hazard a guess that the one people would have a problem with would be the latter.
On April 26 2011 00:07 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote:
A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy? Dothraki warrior during the wedding?
Wasn't a beheading. He gutted him, then cut his hair off if I remember correctly.
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On April 26 2011 00:01 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded. NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that?
Man you're retarded. One beheading at the begining. And buddys throat gets slit at the wedding for OBVIOUSLY pushing one guy away from the chick he was banging...... CAN U NOT SEE?l2read the entire post series and you will see him asking why the guy from the nightwatch gets beheaded. And if u cant read here it is again
Of course their is the guy who got beheaded from the white walkers...... but I thought that didnt need to be explained.... they are evil incarnate. If that had to be explained to you then I wonder about your intelligence. Usually when a for a lack of a better term, ZOMBIE is around, you can assume he kills for w/e reason.
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As someone who read the books, overall the first 2 episodes have been fantastic. there are a few minor details that have already been mentioned which could've been made better, but all in all it feels as close to the books as the LOTR movies to the book. And let me tell if, you haven't read the books and enjoy the show NOW, there's A LOT to come. Expect the unexpected every episode.
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I am just waiting for the red viper to be introduced before I start watching!
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On April 26 2011 00:07 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote:
A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy? Dothraki warrior during the wedding?
He's talking about Gared, who was killed by the White Walker in the first episodes prologue, NOT Will.
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On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you.
My mistake. I thought you were talking about the man that Ned beheads.
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